First HE top Load??
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mrb627
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Resource Saver
Traditional wash action with a series of recirculating spin/sprays for rinsing. Good performer if I recall correctly.
Malcolm
Traditional wash action with a series of recirculating spin/sprays for rinsing. Good performer if I recall correctly.
Malcolm
The Resource Saver washer is HE only in terms of rinsing (several saturation/shower/extract rinse periods). Washing is traditional deep-fill agitation. HE detergent is not required. Based on the tech info, it uses the same drain valve and a secondary pressure switch like the Catalyst but for the rinse function instead of the catalyst pretreat function.
The Resource Saver machine was introduced ~1996, the Catalyst ~2000.
Let me see if this works:
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Manual</span>
http://dl.owneriq.net/f/fa0e6523-2d1b-4034-9ac8-e4acfe7cb664.pdf
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Service Manual</span>
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Manual</span>
http://dl.owneriq.net/f/fa0e6523-2d1b-4034-9ac8-e4acfe7cb664.pdf
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Service Manual</span>
mielerod69
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Here is a video of how it works
Here is part 1 of 3 parts of a jeans load. Has a bit of F & P features of the detergent activation wash
Here is part 1 of 3 parts of a jeans load. Has a bit of F & P features of the detergent activation wash
whirlcool
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I'll take a deep rinse any day....
mrb627
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Government
I seem to recall that these were very popular with government contracts. There was a company near here that was selling machines that came off government contracts. The guy I talked to said he had purchased three semi's full of them at auction and was reselling them on Craigslist.
Malcolm
I seem to recall that these were very popular with government contracts. There was a company near here that was selling machines that came off government contracts. The guy I talked to said he had purchased three semi's full of them at auction and was reselling them on Craigslist.
Malcolm
kenmoreguy89
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Looks like
Those ultimate cares resource saver have been somewhat popular in Europe , well, i have seen some among american top loaders sold and imported, not many but some, and not popular generally speaking of washing nachines....
Pretty strange that in US they had whirlpol coming from Governem contracts....well, not strange maybe, but I thought it was Speed Queen/Raytheon instead, both my speed queen washer and dryer came from an US marine base family, the washer still have " property of US government" sticker on it, they said all the laundry equipments they had in the base was SQ, and military families lving there were bought speed queens by the govt imported from the US....
But perhaps, it changed and changes with the years...govt by govt.
I would never go without my deep rinse.... This machine is not for me...[this post was last edited: 6/18/2014-07:39]
Those ultimate cares resource saver have been somewhat popular in Europe , well, i have seen some among american top loaders sold and imported, not many but some, and not popular generally speaking of washing nachines....
Pretty strange that in US they had whirlpol coming from Governem contracts....well, not strange maybe, but I thought it was Speed Queen/Raytheon instead, both my speed queen washer and dryer came from an US marine base family, the washer still have " property of US government" sticker on it, they said all the laundry equipments they had in the base was SQ, and military families lving there were bought speed queens by the govt imported from the US....
But perhaps, it changed and changes with the years...govt by govt.
I would never go without my deep rinse.... This machine is not for me...[this post was last edited: 6/18/2014-07:39]
Wasn't the first HE top loader the Apex with the bouncing basket?
The video is the Catalyst wash (or pretreat) action. The Resource Saver sprayed during the rinse. Not thrilled about the 100F hot wash.
The video is the Catalyst wash (or pretreat) action. The Resource Saver sprayed during the rinse. Not thrilled about the 100F hot wash.
Would it be possible to tweak a true hot wash by setting it to soak, set hot water, let it fill and than advance to the normal wash cycle?
Anyway, this kind of spin-rinsing is better than the spray tiny bits of water, than spin right away method. I *could* imagine someone (maybe SQ if the design a higher efficeny model) reusing this sort of design....
Anyway, this kind of spin-rinsing is better than the spray tiny bits of water, than spin right away method. I *could* imagine someone (maybe SQ if the design a higher efficeny model) reusing this sort of design....
kenmoreguy89
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HE....it all depends what you mean for efficiency..,.according to today's mindset, dictated by marketing and trends ..probably it translates in everything using less water and energy than others...
Well, since the Apex does have another washing action than an agitator, then I think that about automatics top loaders what comes first in this sense would be a launderall (1948 vs 1953 of the Apex) or any other h axis that has to be loaded on the top....but go figure..
We are still speaking of top loaders...they are top loaders, one bouncing the other tumbling?
That's why I don't really like the specification "Top loader" to refer to agitator machines.....and front loader for H axis machines.
They're sort of misleading....
If we meant "Top load" as synonim of "agitator washer" then do not know....it could not have been the Apex, it didn't have an agitator, but a bouncing/oscillatory basket...
[this post was last edited: 6/18/2014-09:18]
Well, since the Apex does have another washing action than an agitator, then I think that about automatics top loaders what comes first in this sense would be a launderall (1948 vs 1953 of the Apex) or any other h axis that has to be loaded on the top....but go figure..
We are still speaking of top loaders...they are top loaders, one bouncing the other tumbling?
That's why I don't really like the specification "Top loader" to refer to agitator machines.....and front loader for H axis machines.
They're sort of misleading....
If we meant "Top load" as synonim of "agitator washer" then do not know....it could not have been the Apex, it didn't have an agitator, but a bouncing/oscillatory basket...
[this post was last edited: 6/18/2014-09:18]
Here's the manual:
http://laundry.manualsonline.com/ma...2_3_4_5_6_7_8_9_10_11_12_13_14_15_16.html?p=1
I think we might have discussed this machine on the old Yahoo group, considering the age of the machine.
More about this machine:
http://laundry.manualsonline.com/ma...2_3_4_5_6_7_8_9_10_11_12_13_14_15_16.html?p=1
I think we might have discussed this machine on the old Yahoo group, considering the age of the machine.
More about this machine:
henene
That might be possible. The service manual says the prewash cycle bypasses the ATC and delievers uncontrolled cold and warm water - nothing about hot, though. It also mentiones that the cold valve will stay off as long as the water doesn't exceed 120F. However, I can't figure out if that still relates to the prewash setting.
As for reintroducing that system: Whirlpool uses both the Catalyst prewash as well as spray rinsing (depending on the selected cycle and options) in the better Cabrio and Bravos models. And F&P, too. I think spray rinses are a good idea as long as the spray really covers the entire load and it probably won't do much for removing hair or even zeolites used in powdered detergent.
That might be possible. The service manual says the prewash cycle bypasses the ATC and delievers uncontrolled cold and warm water - nothing about hot, though. It also mentiones that the cold valve will stay off as long as the water doesn't exceed 120F. However, I can't figure out if that still relates to the prewash setting.
As for reintroducing that system: Whirlpool uses both the Catalyst prewash as well as spray rinsing (depending on the selected cycle and options) in the better Cabrio and Bravos models. And F&P, too. I think spray rinses are a good idea as long as the spray really covers the entire load and it probably won't do much for removing hair or even zeolites used in powdered detergent.
Can't know for sure but seems the Resource Saver rinses use more water (1 to 2 gallons per the doctrine) than the Catalyst model runs for the pretreatment. Notice per the video that the fill is very brief, and even considering the top-ups that occur during the process it doesn't appear to approach 2 gallons.
I've used the shower rinse option on my F&Ps several times, it's effective.
kenmoreguy89
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While I understand a spray rinse and so a soak&spin rinse or catalyst rinse, as I find it being a huge help for extra soap removal for the next deep rinse, and even ok alone in some istances if repeated the times necessary, I don't though understand or find normal/sensed a pre-wash like the catalyst, not to mention main wash...
When I was little, like 6-8 years old I I used to wonder if one day there might have been a washer washing thanks to centrifugal force and soapy water sprayed, pretty much like catalyst or that Samsung model I don't recall the name ...but as I grew up I came to realize this would not have been an effective and sensed method to be, actually total nuts washing action not worth anything....but I was little and tons of BS crossed my mind at times....I am amazed to see how such things in today's world can make sense for someone.
In Europe, there was Zanussi with the Jet system washers, but it wasn't a great success, apparently, anyway nothing to do with with a real spray and centrifugal action, meant to wash.... almost, if not totally useless for that matter, just like the catalyst action..IMO.
When I was little, like 6-8 years old I I used to wonder if one day there might have been a washer washing thanks to centrifugal force and soapy water sprayed, pretty much like catalyst or that Samsung model I don't recall the name ...but as I grew up I came to realize this would not have been an effective and sensed method to be, actually total nuts washing action not worth anything....but I was little and tons of BS crossed my mind at times....I am amazed to see how such things in today's world can make sense for someone.
In Europe, there was Zanussi with the Jet system washers, but it wasn't a great success, apparently, anyway nothing to do with with a real spray and centrifugal action, meant to wash.... almost, if not totally useless for that matter, just like the catalyst action..IMO.
Well Freddy,
I don't know on what you based your opinion about the Zanussi Jetsystem models, is it from own experience with these machines? Have you ever used such a machine?
I don't know on what you based your opinion about the Zanussi Jetsystem models, is it from own experience with these machines? Have you ever used such a machine?
Ahm, uh, sorry, but...
1. Who is Freddy?
2. Are you sure you are in the right post?
3. If so, what are you reffering to?
You just simply kicked me of my rail with that... I need some help to get this back in order now...
1. Who is Freddy?
2. Are you sure you are in the right post?
3. If so, what are you reffering to?
You just simply kicked me of my rail with that... I need some help to get this back in order now...
kenmoreguy89
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ahahah...Freddy it's me, I prefer being called with my own name instead of my sad website nickname...sad as I don't usually like nicknames and avatar, but it's just me...
Yes Louis. Well, let's say I didn't use it myself, meant as load or unload by myself, but I have seen it used a couple times from my aunt in Veneto, hers was the older type with the water outtake through the drum holes on the top, more like a rain than a jet.
Said that, I don't anyway think I need to have tried all the stuff in this world to have an opinion about.... Despite this techology is still used todays and even introduced for Aeg, correct? , I really find little use, they claims it should increase the washing as it keeps stuff moist? And recirculate water...I don't see and picture how this would increase washing ability in any ways....or do something for that matter...i think it's more for scene, like a fountain...LOL
I have also seen a bosch...about early 2000ish model that would spray water similarly of what today's jet system does, even though it didn't recirculate it, and it was just for first portion of fill in prewash, wash and rinse, not even the detergent water but just plain water...I.found little sense in that also...
But that's another thing....
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