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Those are different models than the Jetsystem models that spin all the time during the wash phase. I thought you were talking about those models.

Same actually for the other machines we are discussing in this thread. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I prefer hands on experience. I could imagine that that spraying with a concentrated solution of detergent works as a kind of pretreatment. It's possible it works.
 
I knew as I think I have read or heard somewhere that there were Rex models that spun during wash....but didn't know they were jet system also, were they? I don't recall having seen my aunt's one doing that but it stated jetsystem on the door..but i wasn't around it all the time.
Anyway same matter, IIRC....about machines with "spin action" there were also privileg right? Or Brandt? i usually confuse the two...
The sangiorgio we had in our company use to do a similar thing in a cycle...sangiorgio iis involved with Brandt now...so was the brandt brand?
Seems to remember there was another with that spinning feature in the past...
 
I think many cases of performance when it comes to spray-rinses depend on the load size and soil level. If there are just a few items, or even a small load piled enough to reach to the top of the lower agitator, a spray rinse is fine, considering the falling water can at least fall on the clothes and use enough water to soak them. There's no need to fill up a complete second time. But, when used with a full load, where the clothes easily compress against the basket walls during the spin enough to reach the top of the basket itself, and the spray from the flume can't even touch the higher items, it's hardly effective. In addition to the fact that there is a lot more fabric that the water has to travel through with the spins between spray rinses. I can see that being the reason why these Resource-Saver WPs didn't last long, because when clothes are compacted against the basket during the spin, the threads become tighter, and water can't pass as easily, so it just has to find areas of less density to go through.

I actually did an experiment with our KitchenAid long before manufacturers decided that only spray rinsing was enough. I let the clothes wash, drain, and begin spinning, and then I set the timer to the final spin and pulled the garden hose through the window, and put the nozzle on a decently wide spray. I just let the machine spin the clothes while I sprayed them with the hose. The clothes become almost solid when they're spinning, so there was a lot of splattering from the water bouncing off of them (thank goodness my parents weren't home.) After about 3-4 minutes of that, I set it for another spin and let it finish. Upon taking the clothes out and fluffing them, it was like looking at stained glass, because you could actually see spots where suds were still trapped, where other spots seemed rinsed clean. Since then I've always believed that even in HE washers, it's more important for the clothes to freely move in water on the rinse cycle than even the wash, because that's where you need the remaining soap and dirt to be flushed away.

I know that washers now use a slower process in spray rinsing (which should be called sprinkle rinsing honestly) but even so, if the clothes can't flex and move to break the detergent molecules away, they're never going to be rinsed completely through.
 
Back on track now...

Was just completly surprised as we were only talking about US TLs till then.
Our Panasonic did sometimes a short distry- rinse at the begining of the 1st rinse on cottons. It removed a certain amount of suds. But I think that at least some sort of movement is necessary. A FL could simply tumble without any free solution, just wet clothes. An Apex/Calypso could do fluffing motion. But any other type needs a lot of water to do so.
 
There are many factors involved in shower/spray rinsing, having my filter flo in front of the bathtub and having the shower thing from it reaching the tub I did every possible experiment during the time, I also tried spraying with drain hose and soapy water simulating what calypso does...you know, just silly playing around and doing "experiments"....we all like to play or did experiments with our machines..no?
Taking about rinse:
I think the typical spray rinse in "traditional" machines is great to guarantee a good deep rinse, making one enough most of the times or anyway often, this instead of two that may be excessive and result wasteful.
Shower/spray rinsing system:
Yes with the right techniques you may actually get an acceptable rinse in some cases, low spin, damp, spin higher, slow damp and higher again subsequently is what I found most effective and so continued until you don't see anynore traces of soap in the drain water and made sure all got through enough evenly, much depends on load composition (type of fibers) and size of load so thickness of the layer of clothes you have..but generally larger loads do not get rinsed well, at least a part does others doesn't or not evenly, anyway nor nearly acceptable as they will not be evenly rinsed....much more noticeable on colors also after dry.
Clothes over clothes ie layered clothes never works well for that matter, and especially not for washing IMO which is well different than rinsing soap or detergents, much is also dictated by the pressure/ centrifugal force these clothes are subject to, ..less fast-less compact, but as long as you need clothes pressed by centrifugal force in the tub sides they will be passed through by water more easily or less easily according also to other factors, but surely not as if they were freely soaked in water and agitated, the effectiveness also hugely depends on how much stuff and what stuff there's behind them (thicker or thinner layer of clothes) , what clothes composition is, etc....
This is also a thing you'll experience if you have a twin tub, the procedure of my servis infact states filling spinner cylinder for some minutes and activate the spinner with water still running in order to keep a constant flow of water and keep spinner going slower...if you try to spray rinse as it kicks a greater speed you'll notice how water instead of going through the clothes will glide over them and will move vertically instead of horizontally....in a top loader it happens the same.
Me almost never running partial loads would not want to go with a shower rinse-spin only as I could see how this may often not bring to what I define well rinsed and anyway nor great, but I cannot really say it being unuseful, in certain cases it's possible it provides a good rinse, but cannot though see a washing machine for how "intelligent" it is being able to determine how and when it's been effective or not, no even having an hypothetical sensor to test detergent concentration in drain water, as there are others factors than that and that a machine cannot see, I think that to today nothing can be a reliable substitute for human eye and mind for that matter, but that's my opinion about...[this post was last edited: 6/20/2014-10:41]
 

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