First, some info about changes in washing machines
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Federal goverment in the United States did *not* regulate and or otherwise control phosphates or laundry/dishwasher appliance design directly.
Rather they used the Clean Water Act to get states to reduce pollution entering waterways. States could have chosen to build and or improve waste treatment plants to deal with phosphates but that cost is quite dear. Given how cash strapped most states are at the moment it would have been a tough sell especially with residents voting *no* to anything or anyone that increases their taxes. So the easier route was to simply ban the stuff.
Since most detergent manufacturers by and large have stopped regional production and now use central plants for a good area of the country making phosphate versus non-phosphate to suit various markets was by and large a no go. Such things are expensive and with the detergent market mature and declining there isn't much incentive.
As for water use of washing machines and dishwashers again the federal government hasnt' laid down any laws. Whirlpool or anyone else is perfectly free to design and produce *water hog* washing machines or dishwashers. However then they will loose out on all that Energy Star money not to mention potential sales. The government and consumer groups have done quite a good job in getting people to look for and purchase ES rated appliances. Thus one wonders how well a unit without such a label would do in the market place. Again with the domestic appliance market being a mature one for quite some time, there just isn't that much interest in spending huge amounts on R&D that may not be recouped.
Federal goverment in the United States did *not* regulate and or otherwise control phosphates or laundry/dishwasher appliance design directly.
Rather they used the Clean Water Act to get states to reduce pollution entering waterways. States could have chosen to build and or improve waste treatment plants to deal with phosphates but that cost is quite dear. Given how cash strapped most states are at the moment it would have been a tough sell especially with residents voting *no* to anything or anyone that increases their taxes. So the easier route was to simply ban the stuff.
Since most detergent manufacturers by and large have stopped regional production and now use central plants for a good area of the country making phosphate versus non-phosphate to suit various markets was by and large a no go. Such things are expensive and with the detergent market mature and declining there isn't much incentive.
As for water use of washing machines and dishwashers again the federal government hasnt' laid down any laws. Whirlpool or anyone else is perfectly free to design and produce *water hog* washing machines or dishwashers. However then they will loose out on all that Energy Star money not to mention potential sales. The government and consumer groups have done quite a good job in getting people to look for and purchase ES rated appliances. Thus one wonders how well a unit without such a label would do in the market place. Again with the domestic appliance market being a mature one for quite some time, there just isn't that much interest in spending huge amounts on R&D that may not be recouped.
Post# 560544, Reply# 27 12/1/2011 at 03:46 by ronhic
Chris, many Korean-made front-loaders like my Samsung are slightly DEEPER than most US machines, with very few exceptions. Same goes for the height, my Samsung is about 2+inches higher than our old Kenmore TL.(look at my photo) The Electrolux FL I had for a month last year before I sent it back, was a bit higher than most every North American-made machines. As far as width, most every front-loader sold here today is about 27" wide, the "standard" wahser/dryer width. Whirlpool-made brands still have many machines of the old-fashioned 29" conventional-type dryers, with drying systems to match!
Chris, many Korean-made front-loaders like my Samsung are slightly DEEPER than most US machines, with very few exceptions. Same goes for the height, my Samsung is about 2+inches higher than our old Kenmore TL.(look at my photo) The Electrolux FL I had for a month last year before I sent it back, was a bit higher than most every North American-made machines. As far as width, most every front-loader sold here today is about 27" wide, the "standard" wahser/dryer width. Whirlpool-made brands still have many machines of the old-fashioned 29" conventional-type dryers, with drying systems to match!
"The government and consumer groups have done quite a good job in getting people to look for and purchase ES rated appliances."
I'm not so sure they are going to have as easy a time getting people to buy that second ES POS dishwasher. While some are very good, especially if they have an onboard water softener or the house has one or the water is naturally soft, others are bad news and the removal of STPP from DW detergents has made things much worse.
I'm not so sure they are going to have as easy a time getting people to buy that second ES POS dishwasher. While some are very good, especially if they have an onboard water softener or the house has one or the water is naturally soft, others are bad news and the removal of STPP from DW detergents has made things much worse.
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slightly DEEPER than most US machines, with very few excepti
Hunter, I only commented on WIDTH because I know that US machines are generally wider than the 60cm/24" of European ones.
In Oz, over 95% of all Front Load machines sold are 60cm/24" and most are also 85cm tall, though there are always exceptions and these tend to be machines that have originally been designed for markets that have a different standard, such as the US.
Hunter, I only commented on WIDTH because I know that US machines are generally wider than the 60cm/24" of European ones.
In Oz, over 95% of all Front Load machines sold are 60cm/24" and most are also 85cm tall, though there are always exceptions and these tend to be machines that have originally been designed for markets that have a different standard, such as the US.
