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I am putting...
...an F&P single dishdrawer in the juice bar in the new kitchen. I've had these machines before and they REALLY ARE the worst on the market for washability AND dependability. HOWEVER, the new Kenmore drawer is NOT available with a front that will accept a custom panel to be fully integrated, so I had no choice. I hope that the machine can at least wash glasses....but honestly, I doubt it. Mark
...an F&P single dishdrawer in the juice bar in the new kitchen. I've had these machines before and they REALLY ARE the worst on the market for washability AND dependability. HOWEVER, the new Kenmore drawer is NOT available with a front that will accept a custom panel to be fully integrated, so I had no choice. I hope that the machine can at least wash glasses....but honestly, I doubt it. Mark
You do have a choice .. of getting some other brand of traditional front-opening dishwasher that takes a custom panel! Requires more space, but wouldn't having clean glasses be worth that trade-off?
Or, KitchenAid claims they're changing to a non-F&P drawer design ... but no date of release announced ... or info on custom-panel capability or whether there'll be singles or only doubles.
Or, KitchenAid claims they're changing to a non-F&P drawer design ... but no date of release announced ... or info on custom-panel capability or whether there'll be singles or only doubles.
maytag design prolly
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Hi Glenn!
The new Kenmore Elite and the ''new'' KitchenAid drawer is the Maytag drawer design. When my kitchen was designed back in 2003 (yes, 2003! and it STILL isn't here) I just wanted a small dishwasher to wash glasses and such in, so as not to have glassware, coffe maker parts, etc... all over the kitchen. When the KA F&P design arrived it arrived without the medalion. Had to wait 5 weeks for it as KitchenAid is already dropping the F&P and will introduce the new drawer shortly. I'm sure the new KA drawer will have the ability to accept the custom panels but I can't wait any longer for it as the new kitchen is supposed to be installed starting on Monday.....but I'm nopt holding my breath. The dishdrawers in the movie theater, billiards room, and wine cellar will be of the new design since those cabinets are not built yet. Mark
The new Kenmore Elite and the ''new'' KitchenAid drawer is the Maytag drawer design. When my kitchen was designed back in 2003 (yes, 2003! and it STILL isn't here) I just wanted a small dishwasher to wash glasses and such in, so as not to have glassware, coffe maker parts, etc... all over the kitchen. When the KA F&P design arrived it arrived without the medalion. Had to wait 5 weeks for it as KitchenAid is already dropping the F&P and will introduce the new drawer shortly. I'm sure the new KA drawer will have the ability to accept the custom panels but I can't wait any longer for it as the new kitchen is supposed to be installed starting on Monday.....but I'm nopt holding my breath. The dishdrawers in the movie theater, billiards room, and wine cellar will be of the new design since those cabinets are not built yet. Mark
Eugene, I ran that load of jeans this afternoon, with rinsing set at the "Eco AAAA" option. It does eight sprays total.
RINSE 1 PHASE --
300 RPM, 15-second spray
670 RPM spin-off
300 RPM, one 8-second spray & three 6-second sprays, spaced 20 seconds apart
670 RPM spin-off
coast to a stop, unlock/relock lid
RINSE 2 PHASE --
300 RPM, 15-second spray
670 RPM spin-off
300 RPM, two-7 second sprays, spaced 20 seconds apart
670 RPM spin-off
coast to a stop, unlock/relock lid
FINAL SPIN PHASE --
Interestingly, dunno why, maximum speed apparently is restricted to 670 RPM instead of 1010 RPM. I ran the final spin phase a 2nd time with ECO AAAA selected, and again 670 RPM max.
The Eco-AAA runs three sprays total, but they're much longer and at a slower 23 RPM, more of a saturation-spray than a spin-spray. I'd have to run another load to note the exact sequence.
RINSE 1 PHASE --
300 RPM, 15-second spray
670 RPM spin-off
300 RPM, one 8-second spray & three 6-second sprays, spaced 20 seconds apart
670 RPM spin-off
coast to a stop, unlock/relock lid
RINSE 2 PHASE --
300 RPM, 15-second spray
670 RPM spin-off
300 RPM, two-7 second sprays, spaced 20 seconds apart
670 RPM spin-off
coast to a stop, unlock/relock lid
FINAL SPIN PHASE --
Interestingly, dunno why, maximum speed apparently is restricted to 670 RPM instead of 1010 RPM. I ran the final spin phase a 2nd time with ECO AAAA selected, and again 670 RPM max.
The Eco-AAA runs three sprays total, but they're much longer and at a slower 23 RPM, more of a saturation-spray than a spin-spray. I'd have to run another load to note the exact sequence.
Thanks, Glenn; that's very interesting. I'm also surprised they don't slow the spin down to 23 rpm as with the Eco-AAA rinse. It would certainly saturate the clothing better. And no 1010 spin speed on that, either?
I could see the AAAA rinse working well with smallish loads. I've taken to doing AAA-type rinses on small loads with the Frigi TL'er. It works!
I could see the AAAA rinse working well with smallish loads. I've taken to doing AAA-type rinses on small loads with the Frigi TL'er. It works!
Eco-AAA does run 1010 RPM final spin far as I recall. Ran load of sheets with it this afternoon, but was occupied elsewhere, didn't catch the details. :-( Will try again next opportunity. Be interesting to see if either Eco-rinse option is allowed, and to what effect, with Creasables, which normally does two deep rinses and cuts the final spin to 300 RPM.
There is no bleach dispenser. When you choose the whites cycle, you must choose the bleach option from the options menu. After 9 minutes, the washer pauses, unlocks the lid, and beeps at you to add the bleach. You must open the lid, pour diluted bleach into the detergent dispenser, close the lid and press start. And DADoeS, could you post vids of your IWL12 at Youtube or somthing? I wnt to see just how it senses the fabric type.
As technologically advanced as F&P washers are, I think the lack of a bleach dispenser is their way of telling the consumer not to use bleach.
Glenn--TWO deep rinses for the perm/press cycle? Yeow. Is there a cool-down on top of that? That's a lot of water for one cycle.
I have to admit I had little interest in F&P washers til I saw one at a friend's in Alexandria a few weeks ago. Didn't get to play with it much, but they are definitely high-tech machines.
They're the polar opposite of my ultra low-tech FrigiLux toploader.
Glenn--TWO deep rinses for the perm/press cycle? Yeow. Is there a cool-down on top of that? That's a lot of water for one cycle.
I have to admit I had little interest in F&P washers til I saw one at a friend's in Alexandria a few weeks ago. Didn't get to play with it much, but they are definitely high-tech machines.
They're the polar opposite of my ultra low-tech FrigiLux toploader.
Do you mean like the same way they are telling customers not to use fabric softener?
Quote from the instruction manual from the AquaSmart manual:
"Scrud
Scrud is the name of the waxy build-up that can occur within any washer when fabric softener
comes into contact with detergent. This build-up is not brought about by a fault in the washer. If
scrud is allowed to build-up in the washer it can result in stains on the clothes or an unpleasant
smell in your washer.
If you wish to use fabric softener we recommend:
Use it sparingly.
Measure it carefully to ensure you do not fill above the MAX level.
Clean the dispenser as soon as the cycle has finished.
Clean your washer regularly using the CLEAN ME cycle (see pages 32 and 37).
Cold water washing increases the chance of this build-up occurring. We recommend a warm or
hot wash at regular intervals eg every 5th wash."
Note the first tip:"Use it sparingly."
Quote from the instruction manual from the AquaSmart manual:
"Scrud
Scrud is the name of the waxy build-up that can occur within any washer when fabric softener
comes into contact with detergent. This build-up is not brought about by a fault in the washer. If
scrud is allowed to build-up in the washer it can result in stains on the clothes or an unpleasant
smell in your washer.
If you wish to use fabric softener we recommend:
Use it sparingly.
Measure it carefully to ensure you do not fill above the MAX level.
Clean the dispenser as soon as the cycle has finished.
Clean your washer regularly using the CLEAN ME cycle (see pages 32 and 37).
Cold water washing increases the chance of this build-up occurring. We recommend a warm or
hot wash at regular intervals eg every 5th wash."
Note the first tip:"Use it sparingly."
Well here are the pages for all the applinances mentioned here on the Lowe's website as well as thier pictures. First up is the IWL16 which is the Intuitive Eco Washer.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=240315-45535-IWL16&lpage=none
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=240315-45535-IWL16&lpage=none
Next, the newest washer, the WL26CW1 AquaSmart.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=269170-45535-WL26CW1&lpage=none
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=269170-45535-WL26CW1&lpage=none
Here is the GWL15 EcoSmart.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=240276-45535-GWL15&lpage=none
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=240276-45535-GWL15&lpage=none
Now for the dryers. Here is the DEIX2 Intuitive.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=240308-45535-DEIX2&lpage=none
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=240308-45535-DEIX2&lpage=none
Eugene, the first rinse is a cool down, no spin before it. However, with the EcoActive system typically resulting in a cool deep wash (although that isn't exactly *cold*), I have to question the need for a cool down at all, LOL.
O.K. Here's the link to it's page.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=240288-45535-DEGX2&lpage=none
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=240288-45535-DEGX2&lpage=none
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