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I've done MANY bearing changes on many different machines, and in those cases the drum need to be lifted out, I use to have 1 or 2 friends helping me with lifting the drum up and out. I know Miele is heavy as hell, but huge things to lift with is not needed if you, and some buddy's have 2 strong arms each
Nothing is impossible!
Nothing is impossible!
Ohhh I want to get into a Miele
I have a winch from pulling my BMW engine so hoisting up a tub and motor would be a snatch!!
My that repairman on washerhelp is Humpy! OOOOOOO where OOOO where is he from???
I have a winch from pulling my BMW engine so hoisting up a tub and motor would be a snatch!!
My that repairman on washerhelp is Humpy! OOOOOOO where OOOO where is he from???
See what I mean
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Jon!!
Wrong brand!
That's not a Miele but a Bosch! Perhaps it would be more interesting to get a Bosch, you'll have the repair guy over more often. LOL
Wrong brand!
That's not a Miele but a Bosch! Perhaps it would be more interesting to get a Bosch, you'll have the repair guy over more often. LOL
Miele - Immer Besser
Nice one Chris, a sturdy reliable machine, was surprised to hear it needed bearings, even after all those years, a local independant dealer here uses a hoist to pull the tubs out, its the only way when the back frame has to come off...
looking forward to seeing how you can adapt it to the solar power, is the Asko still a keeper???
Cheers, Mike
Nice one Chris, a sturdy reliable machine, was surprised to hear it needed bearings, even after all those years, a local independant dealer here uses a hoist to pull the tubs out, its the only way when the back frame has to come off...
looking forward to seeing how you can adapt it to the solar power, is the Asko still a keeper???
Cheers, Mike
Not sure about adapting the Miele to solar, it is looking more difficult than I first thought. There is provision on the power circuit board to connect a hot fill solenoid. However each solenoid is switched by its own relay on the board and there was no relay fitted for that output, though there is a space on the board for it. I fitted a relay to the board and fired it up, but the relay doesn't energise. I will not play with it any more till the motor is working properly with new brushes. It is currently in the generator shed, the only spot I had any space and it is a tiny space. I am halfway through a big tiling job inside, so washing machines will have to wait. (sacrilege!!!)
I really need to investigate more before adapting it. I am not sure why that relay doesn't do anything - possibly it is designed to fill a little with cold water first (to fill the sump and float the drain ball) before ading hot water - the Asko does that though it doesn't have a drain ball. More likely though, the microprocessor probably isn't programmed to energise the relay, there is probably a slightly different processor in hot fill models. There is a chance that some fancy button pushing can reprogram it to take in hot water, I know that the machine does have some special "serviceman only" functions but I don't know what they are. There also may be some wire links that could be changed on the processor board, I haven't opened it up yet.
Next trick would be fooling the thermostat - it uses a temperature sensor connected to the microprocessor, not a mechanical thermostat. The Miele tech I spoke to suggested I could disconnect the temp sensor (NTC thermistor) and put a fixed resistance across it to fool the computer into thinking the water is up to temp. It is not enough just to fill with hot water, if the water cools down during the cycle I don't want the heater coming on. The tech suggested I add water of a known high temp, maybe 60 or 70 degrees, to the drum and measure the resistance of the temp sensor, and use that value of a fixed resistor. It sounds feasible but still not as smart as the current Asko setup, which gives a crude auto fill temp control using the original mechanical thermostat.
I think I will get the Miele working properly as designed, manually add hot water through the dispenser drawer and select a 30 degree wash to play with the machine. If I take a real liking to the machine I might get into adapting it, otherwise I might just sell it or give it away.
Bearings in the Miele aren't bad, the noise is very slight. I might leave well enough alone.
Either way the Asko is still a keeper, the question really is which machine will live in the house and be the daily driver.
Chris.
I really need to investigate more before adapting it. I am not sure why that relay doesn't do anything - possibly it is designed to fill a little with cold water first (to fill the sump and float the drain ball) before ading hot water - the Asko does that though it doesn't have a drain ball. More likely though, the microprocessor probably isn't programmed to energise the relay, there is probably a slightly different processor in hot fill models. There is a chance that some fancy button pushing can reprogram it to take in hot water, I know that the machine does have some special "serviceman only" functions but I don't know what they are. There also may be some wire links that could be changed on the processor board, I haven't opened it up yet.
Next trick would be fooling the thermostat - it uses a temperature sensor connected to the microprocessor, not a mechanical thermostat. The Miele tech I spoke to suggested I could disconnect the temp sensor (NTC thermistor) and put a fixed resistance across it to fool the computer into thinking the water is up to temp. It is not enough just to fill with hot water, if the water cools down during the cycle I don't want the heater coming on. The tech suggested I add water of a known high temp, maybe 60 or 70 degrees, to the drum and measure the resistance of the temp sensor, and use that value of a fixed resistor. It sounds feasible but still not as smart as the current Asko setup, which gives a crude auto fill temp control using the original mechanical thermostat.
I think I will get the Miele working properly as designed, manually add hot water through the dispenser drawer and select a 30 degree wash to play with the machine. If I take a real liking to the machine I might get into adapting it, otherwise I might just sell it or give it away.
Bearings in the Miele aren't bad, the noise is very slight. I might leave well enough alone.
Either way the Asko is still a keeper, the question really is which machine will live in the house and be the daily driver.
Chris.
Hot and cold Fill
Hi Chris,
I have a hot and cold fill Miele from the previous generation of machines (IE 3 years old) I'm lucky in that mine has a full LCD display and therefore service mode is menu driven.
Service mode gives an option to select whether the machine is cold fill only or hot and cold fill. When you have it set on hot and cold fill, it fills the sump with cold and then switches to hot until the target temperature is reached. Then it alternates hot and cold until the water level is right and the temp is as close to the selected temp as possible.
So to test whether adding the relay works, you will need to fill the sump with water first and see what happens.
Have you asked Miele spares whether there is a hot fill kit available for that machine? The computer should still be programmable. In Australia, the low end machines have been cold fill only, the higher end machines come with as standard or as an option with the hot and cold fill to take advantage of solar and off peak hot water.
Could you use a thermostatic mixing valve on the tap to control the water inlet temp? That way you could leave the cycle set to 30deg and fill it with whatever temp you desired. Your rinses might end up warm/hot if you forgot to dial it back, but wouldnt that help with the rinsing
I havent used an Asko, so I cant compare, but my 30 year old Miele and my almost new Miele do a fantastic job. So I can only assume that this one is somewhere in the middle and is up to the same high standards.
Hi Chris,
I have a hot and cold fill Miele from the previous generation of machines (IE 3 years old) I'm lucky in that mine has a full LCD display and therefore service mode is menu driven.
Service mode gives an option to select whether the machine is cold fill only or hot and cold fill. When you have it set on hot and cold fill, it fills the sump with cold and then switches to hot until the target temperature is reached. Then it alternates hot and cold until the water level is right and the temp is as close to the selected temp as possible.
So to test whether adding the relay works, you will need to fill the sump with water first and see what happens.
Have you asked Miele spares whether there is a hot fill kit available for that machine? The computer should still be programmable. In Australia, the low end machines have been cold fill only, the higher end machines come with as standard or as an option with the hot and cold fill to take advantage of solar and off peak hot water.
Could you use a thermostatic mixing valve on the tap to control the water inlet temp? That way you could leave the cycle set to 30deg and fill it with whatever temp you desired. Your rinses might end up warm/hot if you forgot to dial it back, but wouldnt that help with the rinsing
I havent used an Asko, so I cant compare, but my 30 year old Miele and my almost new Miele do a fantastic job. So I can only assume that this one is somewhere in the middle and is up to the same high standards.
