FREE Miele Novotronic Pair - Golden, CO
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Those are old machines. I wish the new owners well.
People often just give those old Miele washers and or dryers away.
Few have proper electrical connections, and those that don't often aren't always interested in doing the required work.
That washer is a great machine, IMHO one of the best old school units Miele offered in States. Not sure though if Miele has put 19XX series on their "obsolete" list and thus no longer ordering spares from Europe.
Few have proper electrical connections, and those that don't often aren't always interested in doing the required work.
That washer is a great machine, IMHO one of the best old school units Miele offered in States. Not sure though if Miele has put 19XX series on their "obsolete" list and thus no longer ordering spares from Europe.
spacedogb
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Launderess,
I have been able to get parts as of July for my W1986.
I have been able to get parts as of July for my W1986.
Last time one spoke with Miele parts.
Was informed W700, W10XX, were now considered obsolete and no new parts would be ordered from Germany. After supplies in Princeton (or tech's stash) were exhausted, that would be all she wrote. This is natural since both model series had reached and or exceeded Miele's 15 year guarantee to keep parts in stock after model is discontinued.
The w1986 and w1966 were introduced to North American market back in 2002 IIRC, and were discontinued about ten years later. So they now are reaching same 15 year parts point. Earlier models from 19xx series such as w1918 reached that point sooner.
Miele will continue to import/stock parts that are shared with other newer model washers or dryers however.
https://ca.miele.ca/Media/docs/press/Next-Generation Laundry System.en-CA.pdf[this post was last edited: 9/1/2020-20:58]
Was informed W700, W10XX, were now considered obsolete and no new parts would be ordered from Germany. After supplies in Princeton (or tech's stash) were exhausted, that would be all she wrote. This is natural since both model series had reached and or exceeded Miele's 15 year guarantee to keep parts in stock after model is discontinued.
The w1986 and w1966 were introduced to North American market back in 2002 IIRC, and were discontinued about ten years later. So they now are reaching same 15 year parts point. Earlier models from 19xx series such as w1918 reached that point sooner.
Miele will continue to import/stock parts that are shared with other newer model washers or dryers however.
https://ca.miele.ca/Media/docs/press/Next-Generation Laundry System.en-CA.pdf[this post was last edited: 9/1/2020-20:58]
Miele Pair Power requirements
There are very few homes in America that you can not use this pair in, it even comes with the power adapter for a standard dryer connection.
,All single family homes in the US have 208 or 240 volt power and 90% of condos and apartments that allow you to have a W&D do as well.
John L.
There are very few homes in America that you can not use this pair in, it even comes with the power adapter for a standard dryer connection.
,All single family homes in the US have 208 or 240 volt power and 90% of condos and apartments that allow you to have a W&D do as well.
John L.
Here we go again with this....
Yes, "homes" as in privately owned property do have 208 or 240 or can get it from the breaker box. That in no way covers all multifamily including co-op or condo buildings.
New or of modern vintage multi-family may have 208-240 running to each unit, but plenty of old construction does not. It can also be sometimes due to age of building it isn't even possible to upgrade from box in unit or even basement where power enters to provide service. It may take an upgrade from street to building... then up to apartment.
This was problem Miele faced time and time again in NYC. Plenty of older buildings including pre-war co-ops and other apartment buildings even in wealthy areas did not have enough juice coming to units. Upon investigation power from main box or whatever supplied each apartment didn't have it either. Not every co-op board or landlord granted permission for work to be done either.
There are reasons why these older 208v-240v Miele washers and dryers have low resale value or even appeal. Not all of them are related to perceived capacity or other quibbles. Fact is not everyone has required electrical service, nor is interested in having required work done.
Should also point out that other commonly thrown out reason why "everyone has 208v-240v" reason such outlets in laundry areas because of dryers isn't true either.
Here in north east gas dryers tend to dominate over electric because of our local high cost of the latter. In areas where natural gas isn't available many will go with propane instead of electric for similar reasons.
In any event even Miele saw the light; after decades of refusing to introduce 120v washers to North America, they gave up and now that is all you can get for residential. Commercial/professional is another matter. Obviously sticking to that 208v-240v power only wasn't doing their market share any good.
Yes, "homes" as in privately owned property do have 208 or 240 or can get it from the breaker box. That in no way covers all multifamily including co-op or condo buildings.
New or of modern vintage multi-family may have 208-240 running to each unit, but plenty of old construction does not. It can also be sometimes due to age of building it isn't even possible to upgrade from box in unit or even basement where power enters to provide service. It may take an upgrade from street to building... then up to apartment.
This was problem Miele faced time and time again in NYC. Plenty of older buildings including pre-war co-ops and other apartment buildings even in wealthy areas did not have enough juice coming to units. Upon investigation power from main box or whatever supplied each apartment didn't have it either. Not every co-op board or landlord granted permission for work to be done either.
There are reasons why these older 208v-240v Miele washers and dryers have low resale value or even appeal. Not all of them are related to perceived capacity or other quibbles. Fact is not everyone has required electrical service, nor is interested in having required work done.
Should also point out that other commonly thrown out reason why "everyone has 208v-240v" reason such outlets in laundry areas because of dryers isn't true either.
Here in north east gas dryers tend to dominate over electric because of our local high cost of the latter. In areas where natural gas isn't available many will go with propane instead of electric for similar reasons.
In any event even Miele saw the light; after decades of refusing to introduce 120v washers to North America, they gave up and now that is all you can get for residential. Commercial/professional is another matter. Obviously sticking to that 208v-240v power only wasn't doing their market share any good.
Old housing stock can suck. Unfortunately, you are stuck with it. It could be worse. A friend's grandmother lived in a very nice building in NYC that was powered by direct current for the elevator, he said, and he remembered her Waring (named after Fred Waring the orchestra conductor) Blender that was rated for DC operation. She used to take it to the beach house on Long Island and he remembered it being carried to the car for the trip. She did not need electrical appliances, other than the blender for drinks; she had staff and a beach house when the city became unbearable.
People fortunate enough to live with full house power as was advertised in shelter magazines in the 50s and 60s, could have modern labor-saving appliances. In the south, it was air conditioning that was the big motivation for increasing the electrical service in houses. Other than kids' parties, I don't think we ate outside anymore after we got air conditioning. We still grilled out, but we ate inside. Added circuits in the kitchen for small appliances were another demand. Those kitchen appliance centers by Westinghouse and Sunbeam we have discussed here were attempts to add additional circuits by running just one 240 volt line from the fuse box to the kitchen where it was split into several branch circuits, but having sufficient 240 volt service was key.
People fortunate enough to live with full house power as was advertised in shelter magazines in the 50s and 60s, could have modern labor-saving appliances. In the south, it was air conditioning that was the big motivation for increasing the electrical service in houses. Other than kids' parties, I don't think we ate outside anymore after we got air conditioning. We still grilled out, but we ate inside. Added circuits in the kitchen for small appliances were another demand. Those kitchen appliance centers by Westinghouse and Sunbeam we have discussed here were attempts to add additional circuits by running just one 240 volt line from the fuse box to the kitchen where it was split into several branch circuits, but having sufficient 240 volt service was key.
perc-o-prince
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I don't remember running across any parts I couldn't get for the W19xx series, but that was as of Nov 2019.
If these machines were not oversoaped or overloaded, they have good life left in them. Most of the W19xx washers we saw fail had long histories of dumping the detergent in and cramming the drum full. Drum bearing failure.
re: tech's stash... we (supervisors and some corporate peeps) would actively search for parts on vans when a part was either no longer available or just not in stock until the shipment came in- could be 1-2 weeks, then have the tech UPS it to the tech that needed it. With Miele's new software system (SAP/Next... 3/2020) I'm told that can't be done. Moving forward with a step backward.
Chuck
If these machines were not oversoaped or overloaded, they have good life left in them. Most of the W19xx washers we saw fail had long histories of dumping the detergent in and cramming the drum full. Drum bearing failure.
re: tech's stash... we (supervisors and some corporate peeps) would actively search for parts on vans when a part was either no longer available or just not in stock until the shipment came in- could be 1-2 weeks, then have the tech UPS it to the tech that needed it. With Miele's new software system (SAP/Next... 3/2020) I'm told that can't be done. Moving forward with a step backward.
Chuck
Considering often high price of spares and then call out charges piled on, many simply get rid of a otherwise good Miele washer instead.
You can find "for parts only" or "non working" Miele washers on CL, Letgo, Offerup, and other usual sources.
Front loading washer market has changed in North America so much from when Miele, Asko, Creda, and Bosch first introduced European machines here. Things have changed even more since early 2000's to point many don't see reason to spend $$$$ to fix and "old" Miele washer.
Then there is also capacity issue. IIRC the w1986 and one or more others from series had slightly greater capacity than say w1918. However today's offerings are mostly in 18lb capacity range which is what Americans seem to want.
Smaller Miele washers suffer from overloading because people used to getting wash days over with (as when using a top loading machine), don't want to spend an entire day doing laundry.
IIRC Miele's W1 washers hold more than w1986 plus run on 120v power, so right there you can see why someone looking for a Miele washer might choose to go with something newer.
You can find "for parts only" or "non working" Miele washers on CL, Letgo, Offerup, and other usual sources.
Front loading washer market has changed in North America so much from when Miele, Asko, Creda, and Bosch first introduced European machines here. Things have changed even more since early 2000's to point many don't see reason to spend $$$$ to fix and "old" Miele washer.
Then there is also capacity issue. IIRC the w1986 and one or more others from series had slightly greater capacity than say w1918. However today's offerings are mostly in 18lb capacity range which is what Americans seem to want.
Smaller Miele washers suffer from overloading because people used to getting wash days over with (as when using a top loading machine), don't want to spend an entire day doing laundry.
IIRC Miele's W1 washers hold more than w1986 plus run on 120v power, so right there you can see why someone looking for a Miele washer might choose to go with something newer.
Too Much Detergent Causing Bearing Failure ???
I would love for someone to explain and prove this theory.
I have never seen a washer that was damaged by too much detergent unless it just plain over flowed suds so much that the suds caused rust or leaked on electrical parts, I have seen thousands of washers that were damaged and even destroyed by using too little decent detergent.
This is the sad thing about the appliance sales and service business, very few that get into it have any real training and education in physics, electrical theory, engineering etc, and if you were good at these things you would not go into the appliance sales and repair field, LOL
John L.
I would love for someone to explain and prove this theory.
I have never seen a washer that was damaged by too much detergent unless it just plain over flowed suds so much that the suds caused rust or leaked on electrical parts, I have seen thousands of washers that were damaged and even destroyed by using too little decent detergent.
This is the sad thing about the appliance sales and service business, very few that get into it have any real training and education in physics, electrical theory, engineering etc, and if you were good at these things you would not go into the appliance sales and repair field, LOL
John L.
