artistathand
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Frigidaire Flair Electric Range 1961? 1962?
Finally made a decision.
Got another burner on the way.
I will keep you posted.
Susan
Finally made a decision.
Got another burner on the way.
I will keep you posted.
Susan
Frigidaire Flair Electric Range 1961? 1962?
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artistathand
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Frigidaire Flair Electric Range Bad Burner Better Burner
The new used burner is WORKING!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO
It fit better AND heated up red beautifully on high!
I remember your caution and only had it on red long enough to see it was working and I turned it on med for a bit before cranking it to high.
I am VERY happy!
Ok, here we go.....
This is some Mysterious weird stuff.
This wonderful guy on eBay that has been working with me got the new burner back that I returned.
Remember he said, he originally tested it on a meter but not on a stove?
Upon receiving it back, he tested it again on the meter and it was still fine. He then ran current to it and it got cherry red!!!
What the???
VERY strange!
And
First...
Remember how it also stuck up and wouldn't seat properly in my Flair ?
I sent him some photos of the poor seating
In our many discussions, he mentioned that he had noticed maybe the reason that new burner didn't seat well was that it had a "long neck" on it and my old one was a "short neck."
I mention this as someone in our thread was helping me on ideas of the brackets and such in these Flairs.
The new burner didn't seat well in either of the 6 inch openings on my stove.
Has anybody heard of a short neck, long neck coil?
I know I thought that the tab that held the bracket on the new coil seemed to be about 5mm off from the tab on my old dead coil.
This measurement is from the end of the plastic head to the little tab that holds the bracket.
I am not sure what the actual measurements are on the one I sent back but I have the ones from the stove and I will measure those if I ever need another burner.
I evidently did need a short necked coil for my stove, not a long necked coil cause this used one I just bought fits great and Works great.
This used burner coil that is working for me now is a tiny bit thinner like my old dead burner coil too.
BUT ----
Do you all think this could be the reason the burner wouldn’t work properly in my stove?
Now...this is only coming from my brain.
Is there something with the plug in the longer neck coil that would not jive with my stove, where a short neck coil was what I needed?
Maybe the longer neck was made for a newer model than mine?
We checked the wiring and hook ups 2 x’s on that new burner before we moved it to the back of our stove and the burner that we already had that worked from the back, worked in the front where the new burner would not.
The new burner would not work properly either place.
I am very pleased I have 4 burners again but this is such a mystery.
I want this whole thing to be of help in case anyone else comes across this same thing.
I am going to use this short neck, long neck thing if I need another burner.
Confused but Happy,
Short necked Susan
The new used burner is WORKING!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO
It fit better AND heated up red beautifully on high!
I remember your caution and only had it on red long enough to see it was working and I turned it on med for a bit before cranking it to high.
I am VERY happy!
Ok, here we go.....
This is some Mysterious weird stuff.
This wonderful guy on eBay that has been working with me got the new burner back that I returned.
Remember he said, he originally tested it on a meter but not on a stove?
Upon receiving it back, he tested it again on the meter and it was still fine. He then ran current to it and it got cherry red!!!
What the???
VERY strange!
And
First...
Remember how it also stuck up and wouldn't seat properly in my Flair ?
I sent him some photos of the poor seating
In our many discussions, he mentioned that he had noticed maybe the reason that new burner didn't seat well was that it had a "long neck" on it and my old one was a "short neck."
I mention this as someone in our thread was helping me on ideas of the brackets and such in these Flairs.
The new burner didn't seat well in either of the 6 inch openings on my stove.
Has anybody heard of a short neck, long neck coil?
I know I thought that the tab that held the bracket on the new coil seemed to be about 5mm off from the tab on my old dead coil.
This measurement is from the end of the plastic head to the little tab that holds the bracket.
I am not sure what the actual measurements are on the one I sent back but I have the ones from the stove and I will measure those if I ever need another burner.
I evidently did need a short necked coil for my stove, not a long necked coil cause this used one I just bought fits great and Works great.
This used burner coil that is working for me now is a tiny bit thinner like my old dead burner coil too.
BUT ----
Do you all think this could be the reason the burner wouldn’t work properly in my stove?
Now...this is only coming from my brain.
Is there something with the plug in the longer neck coil that would not jive with my stove, where a short neck coil was what I needed?
Maybe the longer neck was made for a newer model than mine?
We checked the wiring and hook ups 2 x’s on that new burner before we moved it to the back of our stove and the burner that we already had that worked from the back, worked in the front where the new burner would not.
The new burner would not work properly either place.
I am very pleased I have 4 burners again but this is such a mystery.
I want this whole thing to be of help in case anyone else comes across this same thing.
I am going to use this short neck, long neck thing if I need another burner.
Confused but Happy,
Short necked Susan
I'm so glad it's working!
I'm still puzzled about the other one, though. I'd totally forgotten the long and short neck stuff.
Anyway, this is wonderful. Keep enjoying your Flair!
I'm still puzzled about the other one, though. I'd totally forgotten the long and short neck stuff.
Anyway, this is wonderful. Keep enjoying your Flair!
Short necked Susan
Just past noon but still drinking my morning coffee, and you give me my morning laugh with your new nick name. I am glad your repair was a success. Since you have the room to leave your cooktop fully extended maybe that is a good idea for less wear and tear on safety switches as you mentioned. Maybe you will post some of your successes with those nice eye level ovens from time to time.
Just past noon but still drinking my morning coffee, and you give me my morning laugh with your new nick name. I am glad your repair was a success. Since you have the room to leave your cooktop fully extended maybe that is a good idea for less wear and tear on safety switches as you mentioned. Maybe you will post some of your successes with those nice eye level ovens from time to time.
artistathand
Member
Frigidaire Flair Electric Range Short Necked Susan
TeeHee,
Glad to perk up the day for you.
We gotta keep it light where ever we can.
I am very happy to be a four burner lady again, despite the short neck. Whatever works!
I had the ole girl's guns a blazing on Thanksgiving.
We usually don't do a big dinner. This year we did and I was thankful she was up to it.
I didn't take pictures but should have.
The traditional turkey wouldn't have looked very traditional in the oven though. We went easy street and bought one of those big turkey breasts from a box store.
None the less, it was delicious!
We had cornbread and biscuits too.
I love those double ovens, I use them all the time.
I use the ovens for more than foods too.
I make leather masks and I heat the leather ever so slightly so it will become more malleable and keep its shape.
I hope if it comes to needing oven parts, they will be out there available somewhere also.
Knowing what I do now, I am thinking about a second hand stove or oven for this leather purpose.
I don't want to strain the Flair ovens with the extra use and cleanings.
TeeHee,
Glad to perk up the day for you.
We gotta keep it light where ever we can.
I am very happy to be a four burner lady again, despite the short neck. Whatever works!
I had the ole girl's guns a blazing on Thanksgiving.
We usually don't do a big dinner. This year we did and I was thankful she was up to it.
I didn't take pictures but should have.
The traditional turkey wouldn't have looked very traditional in the oven though. We went easy street and bought one of those big turkey breasts from a box store.
None the less, it was delicious!
We had cornbread and biscuits too.
I love those double ovens, I use them all the time.
I use the ovens for more than foods too.
I make leather masks and I heat the leather ever so slightly so it will become more malleable and keep its shape.
I hope if it comes to needing oven parts, they will be out there available somewhere also.
Knowing what I do now, I am thinking about a second hand stove or oven for this leather purpose.
I don't want to strain the Flair ovens with the extra use and cleanings.
Susan,
I'm so glad it worked out for you!
I'm so glad it worked out for you!
artistathand
Member
Frigidaire Flair Electric Range Room in kitchen
I was thinking of the comment on having enough room, that leaving the stove open is an option.
These were definitely made as space savers.
I remember my neighbor had a knockoff of the Frigidaire with a burner tray like this.
I can't remember who made it? Sears?
Not sure.
She had to close hers after cooking or she couldn't really get into her living room very well.
I guess it was also an issue of... the cooking is starting, in the kitchen or out of the kitchen.
We are lucky enough to have room to leave ours open despite the "efficiency" of this house.
I wonder how many companies out there copied these stoves?
I was thinking of the comment on having enough room, that leaving the stove open is an option.
These were definitely made as space savers.
I remember my neighbor had a knockoff of the Frigidaire with a burner tray like this.
I can't remember who made it? Sears?
Not sure.
She had to close hers after cooking or she couldn't really get into her living room very well.
I guess it was also an issue of... the cooking is starting, in the kitchen or out of the kitchen.
We are lucky enough to have room to leave ours open despite the "efficiency" of this house.
I wonder how many companies out there copied these stoves?
norgeway
Well-known member
Re Flair Copies
Well, Frigidaire WAS the first in 1960, Hotpoint had the Hallmark, Monarch the Modernique, Philco the Galaxie, Norge had one but I dont know the name, Roper had the Charm and Kenmore had the Roper Built Classic,GE had the Americana...and on and on, I want a Monarch Modernique which was really a great looking unit..oh yeah, Tappan had the Fabulous 400!
Well, Frigidaire WAS the first in 1960, Hotpoint had the Hallmark, Monarch the Modernique, Philco the Galaxie, Norge had one but I dont know the name, Roper had the Charm and Kenmore had the Roper Built Classic,GE had the Americana...and on and on, I want a Monarch Modernique which was really a great looking unit..oh yeah, Tappan had the Fabulous 400!
And what was the Westinghouse? (? --Forgot... --Continental, before it was upper-lower oven?)
-- Dave
-- Dave
norgeway
Well-known member
Forgot that!!Yes it was called the Continental.
It was nice because there was a shelf behind the units you could keep things warm on.
It was nice because there was a shelf behind the units you could keep things warm on.
artistathand
Member
Frigidaire Flair Electric Range SO many
Wow, I had no idea there were so many of these types of stoves.
Sounds like you have just scratched the surface.
I do believe I was right then about the neighbors being a Sears.
Along with being space savers, I heard these were a less expensive or less intensive design to imitate the wall ovens.
Anyone have photos of any of these favorites named above?
But there is Google, now that I know who made them.
That warming shelf sounds like an excellent idea.
I see those sometimes on some of the newer stoves.
One of my relatives bought a new stove about 3 years ago.
I don't know the brand but it is one of the smooth solid electric cooktop programmable models that are popular now.
She was showing me all the features and I noticed it brought up warming tray in the program panel.
We searched and found out it was under the oven and she was using it for storage.
She loves that feature and uses it all the time now.
Wow, I had no idea there were so many of these types of stoves.
Sounds like you have just scratched the surface.
I do believe I was right then about the neighbors being a Sears.
Along with being space savers, I heard these were a less expensive or less intensive design to imitate the wall ovens.
Anyone have photos of any of these favorites named above?
But there is Google, now that I know who made them.
That warming shelf sounds like an excellent idea.
I see those sometimes on some of the newer stoves.
One of my relatives bought a new stove about 3 years ago.
I don't know the brand but it is one of the smooth solid electric cooktop programmable models that are popular now.
She was showing me all the features and I noticed it brought up warming tray in the program panel.
We searched and found out it was under the oven and she was using it for storage.
She loves that feature and uses it all the time now.
artistathand
Member
Frigidaire Flair Electric Range Short Necked Susie
Hello,
Long time no speak!
I guess signing in would have been a good thing. Duh
I hope all is well with everyone out there.
I'm thinking that staying home and using our wonderful old ovens is probably being done now more than ever.
A short recap of me if my feed doesn't show up...
I have the Frigidaire Deluxe Electric Range with 2 ovens with a pull out tray. I shared info and you all helped with the dilemma I had with one burnt out burner.
With all that solved, I have purchased another single wall oven that appears to be the same as my stove in the kitchen.
It a summer kitchen/art oven that has been installed in my garage.
I have used it 3 times for food cooking and it is running about 28 degrees hotter than it should.
My question is - not surprisingly - is there a way these can be adjusted?
I haven't explored enough to see if there is a senser that needs replacing. Each time I used the oven, I needed 400 degrees. Each time it seemed to get hotter by around 28 degrees.
I can remember and calibrate in my head but I wondered if there was an adjustment. I can easily get into this one for service.
I couldn't read that serial number in this shot. I don't think it will help but it is 40007013
Thank you all
Susie
Hello,
Long time no speak!
I guess signing in would have been a good thing. Duh
I hope all is well with everyone out there.
I'm thinking that staying home and using our wonderful old ovens is probably being done now more than ever.
A short recap of me if my feed doesn't show up...
I have the Frigidaire Deluxe Electric Range with 2 ovens with a pull out tray. I shared info and you all helped with the dilemma I had with one burnt out burner.
With all that solved, I have purchased another single wall oven that appears to be the same as my stove in the kitchen.
It a summer kitchen/art oven that has been installed in my garage.
I have used it 3 times for food cooking and it is running about 28 degrees hotter than it should.
My question is - not surprisingly - is there a way these can be adjusted?
I haven't explored enough to see if there is a senser that needs replacing. Each time I used the oven, I needed 400 degrees. Each time it seemed to get hotter by around 28 degrees.
I can remember and calibrate in my head but I wondered if there was an adjustment. I can easily get into this one for service.
I couldn't read that serial number in this shot. I don't think it will help but it is 40007013
Thank you all
Susie
Temperature Adjustment On A FD Oven
These can be adjusted, review the instructions in a service manual for 60s FD ovens.
If it is only off 28 degrees I would not brother trying adjusting the thermostat, often the tiny adjustment screw in the thermostats shaft is sized after 50+ years and you may easily either ruin the TS or make it worse, just set it a little lower than needed.
John L.
These can be adjusted, review the instructions in a service manual for 60s FD ovens.
If it is only off 28 degrees I would not brother trying adjusting the thermostat, often the tiny adjustment screw in the thermostats shaft is sized after 50+ years and you may easily either ruin the TS or make it worse, just set it a little lower than needed.
John L.
I tuned up the oven temps in my '59 Custom Imperial range with out issue. the set screw moved easily in my case,ymmv...
All well here, suggestion
Generally speaking, these ovens are well known for their inaccurate thermostats. I've read that swings of 25F were normal for that time - and 28F, if it's consistent, is close enough.
I'd leave it be and not risk a greater problem, personally.
One of our Custom Imperials runs about that much hot in the right oven - I just treat it as if it were a convection oven and things turn out just fine (temp lowered by about that much). The other one and both left ovens run fairly close to the desired temp, but swing a lot between cycles.
If you do decide to adjust, you might want to be super careful with that screw. If it doesn't respond easily (and it takes very little movement to make a big adjustment), I'd leave it be. I would not use my usual threadlocker treatment on it.
We've been using one of the Custom Imperials a lot this summer and my husband is finally getting used to the 'never run on high' settings for the burners after much burned everything. Having grown up with one, I have had the opposite problem adjusting to GE Calrods - tend to start at too low of a heat.
And, to repeat myself yet again - never, ever believe what anyone tells you about a certain 'date'/model meaning absolutely anything with a General Motors Frigidaire appliance. GM not only made flying, undocumented changes, they also used older parts as well as newer, undocumented parts in their appliances all the time.
We have a 1967 Custom Deluxe refrigerator (pretty close to bottom of the line) which runs perfectly and has a far more elaborate automatic defrosting system than the manual claims it has. Either replaced sometime in the past or GM just happened to have the parts on hand and threw them in. We have a 1957/58/59 Thumper which has parts that any expert here will tell you can not and were not ever used by the factory in those years...and yet, there they are and no tool marks to show they were changed out.
What you have before you in one of these wonderful appliances is reality, not what somebody 'knows' was the right part for a given model/year.
Generally speaking, these ovens are well known for their inaccurate thermostats. I've read that swings of 25F were normal for that time - and 28F, if it's consistent, is close enough.
I'd leave it be and not risk a greater problem, personally.
One of our Custom Imperials runs about that much hot in the right oven - I just treat it as if it were a convection oven and things turn out just fine (temp lowered by about that much). The other one and both left ovens run fairly close to the desired temp, but swing a lot between cycles.
If you do decide to adjust, you might want to be super careful with that screw. If it doesn't respond easily (and it takes very little movement to make a big adjustment), I'd leave it be. I would not use my usual threadlocker treatment on it.
We've been using one of the Custom Imperials a lot this summer and my husband is finally getting used to the 'never run on high' settings for the burners after much burned everything. Having grown up with one, I have had the opposite problem adjusting to GE Calrods - tend to start at too low of a heat.
And, to repeat myself yet again - never, ever believe what anyone tells you about a certain 'date'/model meaning absolutely anything with a General Motors Frigidaire appliance. GM not only made flying, undocumented changes, they also used older parts as well as newer, undocumented parts in their appliances all the time.
We have a 1967 Custom Deluxe refrigerator (pretty close to bottom of the line) which runs perfectly and has a far more elaborate automatic defrosting system than the manual claims it has. Either replaced sometime in the past or GM just happened to have the parts on hand and threw them in. We have a 1957/58/59 Thumper which has parts that any expert here will tell you can not and were not ever used by the factory in those years...and yet, there they are and no tool marks to show they were changed out.
What you have before you in one of these wonderful appliances is reality, not what somebody 'knows' was the right part for a given model/year.
artistathand
Member
Frigidaire Flair Electric Range Short Necked Susie
Thank you all!
And good to communicate again.
I appreciate the time and information.
I was thinking of just leaving it alone too but my husband is a spot on guy.
I am going to convince him to leave it for now, though my curiosity is piqued on how it is done.
I may secretly look at a manual...hehehehe but still leave things if they stay at the 28 degrees.
I want more time to judge if it is consistent at the 28 degrees that I think it is even at a lower temp, though if it was inconsistent I wouldn't think the range of the heating would make a difference.
I love that these older appliances are being appreciated. I am guessing they all need to be treated like an old friend, accepting each others quirks.
Thank you again,
Short Necked Susie
Thank you all!
And good to communicate again.
I appreciate the time and information.
I was thinking of just leaving it alone too but my husband is a spot on guy.
I am going to convince him to leave it for now, though my curiosity is piqued on how it is done.
I may secretly look at a manual...hehehehe but still leave things if they stay at the 28 degrees.
I want more time to judge if it is consistent at the 28 degrees that I think it is even at a lower temp, though if it was inconsistent I wouldn't think the range of the heating would make a difference.
I love that these older appliances are being appreciated. I am guessing they all need to be treated like an old friend, accepting each others quirks.
Thank you again,
Short Necked Susie
