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I would be curious to know if the recent violent brawls here in Sydney received much coverage overseas and if so what would the general view be?
I must say that while I am against violent protesting as such,
I do understand why the citizens of the affected suburbs did what tehy did.
For a few years now this beachside suburb has had to put up with roaming gangs of hoodlums from other suburbs and of a particular ethnic origin basically run roughshod and terrorise the other people who use this beach, driving them away.
What do the people do if the authorities cannot or will not help them. these grubby little hoods have no fear of the police,no respect for the law and think they can just do what they like, so I ask again what do the people do.
The situation is made worse when EVERYONE of the people charged
was granted bail by the courts!!!!! so they went to court and went right out the front door, what a bloody joke!!!!!
And yes the gangs are middle easten Muslim boys, sorry but that is just the plain truth, and as for this nonsense we call multiculturism, it has been proven to be a total and abject failure and it is time to banish it to the dustbin of history.
Cheers Steve.
 
I feel the situation is inexcusable-the authorities in Australia should act upon this situation immiediatly and use whatever force is required to stop the hooligans.I don't know how you and other Applianceville members feel about this-but I think the Australian citizens should be allowed to own firearms to protect themselves and their homes in case these situations come up and the authorities aren't there to help.Firearm ownership saved many folks lives and posessions during Katrina and other disasters.I would not hesitate to use my guns to defend myself and home in a situation like what happened in Australia.I also don't like or approve of "revolving door" justice like what you describe-then the problem just keeps reoccuring!!
 
Even Toggle holds back..

Child, did I have a few word to say on this issue.
Had to delete the rough-draft before posting.

WAY TOO MUCH FOR THIS FORUM.

We better wise up and tighten up our borders. 'Cause it seems certain groups are disrupting EVERY country they are in.

YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK. GOOD-BYE.
 
Damn right

Hey, you try to go to Iraq, wave your flag, be proud to be American, or British, or Australian and proclaim your God is the true God. Watch where that gets you. Shot or beheaded.

I'm sure there are good Middle Eastern people living in this country, and I don't hate them as a race of people, but I have to say this. Muslim religion believes that they are the TRUE religion and everyone else should be killed. That's their belief. Some of you think us Christians are radical, at least we don't start shooting if you don't believe in Jesus.
 
People of good faith and good will, regardless of denomination or the name their language uses for God, can coexist. If you read the words of those in the Sufi denomination of Islam, for example, you will be surprised at how much they resemble the words of the Christian mystics.

But you will find that in every culture, every ethnicity, every religion, there are people who believe that their truth is absolute and has the right to claim dominion over everyone else's. These people are your source of violence. They fly planes into skyscrapers and blow up truckbombs at federal buildings. They plant bombs on subways in the UK and at womens' clinics in the USA. They shoot people through the head on video and claim allegiance to Zarqawi, and they shoot people in front of their own children and claim allegiance to Pat Robertson. In France they riot this way, in Australia they riot that way, and let us not forget that in the United States they rioted their own particular way which included burning crosses.

None of this should be tolerated, nor should youthful hooliganism whether by brown-skinned immigrant kids with foreign accents or by blond-haired college kids with Greek letters on their sweat-shirts.

A rational society preserves the lawful order dispassionately and impartially, with swift justice administered equally across the board.
 
Hoodlums need not apply (for residency or citizenship)

I am so sick of multi-culturalism (read segregation) and political correctness. It ain't working folks. Rather than assimilate into their new culture, many want to separate from it. They refuse to speak the language, and associate with those outside their culture. In some cases (France and Australia come to mind), they are full of hatred (usually fueled by religious fanatacism) for those in their new-found countries, and have no hesitation to murder, harm, or destroy those that have welcomed them.

It is time to stop walking on sensivity eggshells around these hoodlums/terrorists. I agree with Designgeek...regardless of your country of origin, crime is crime and should be dealt with accordingly. If you do not like the country you are living in...GET OUT! We don't need you! Go back to your own country of origin and see if you have the same rights to things like free speech and protests against your governments. To the ones that commit crimes...DEPORTATION, fast and swift. No second chances for re-entry.
 
I think you're using the word "multiculturalism" where you actually mean "cultural relativism."

Multiculturalism is what most Americans have in their own family histories. Personally I'm a 4-way mongrel:-) We're a stew pot or a salad bowl, and it has always made us stronger.

Cultural relativism on the other hand, says that no place has a right to its own ways, and all ways are equally valid everywhere. This is where you get the kinds of intransigence that lead to hoodlum-ism and all the rest of it, and then the rationalization of all that by self-proclaimed pundits.

What has led to riots in France is the fact that these particular immigrants have been kept in a kind of permanent outsider status for at least two generations. Whereas in America we think of legal immigrants as welcome and as being able to work hard and integrate into the culture, in France it appears that the process of assimilation and integration is less well established. People who have grown up to believe they are outsiders who don't have a chance, or that the playing field is not level, end up getting grudges and holding them. Sooner or later, all it takes is a spark to ignite the powder-keg.

I'm not as familiar with the case in Australia but it has gotten press here as race riots, with violent kids attacking cops and all the rest of it. I do not, and I think most Americans do not, take this as being "typical" of Australia, just as we would hope others around the world don't take our astronomical crime rate as being "typical" of Americans.
 
Amen.

My mother is foregn-born and says EXACLTY what Venus has said.

She came here at 12 y.o. and by 16 was a legal secretary.
(This means she learned English in American high-school and right-quick. NO ESL and no bi-lingual MALAKIES. [No I won't translate that one..LOL ask you local diner owner]. TOTAL IMMERISON.

My family ALL changed their first and family names because their names don't work in English. No one died of it. It's an amazingly easy process. Doesn't mean they are not clinging onto their ethnic identity. The just realaize it is SECONDARY to fitting-in and funcitoning HERE.

I actually LOVE watching people of my ethnic CHOKE and garble my REAL American name. LOL Makes for a lot of fun too because my background is not obvious tilI I out myslef (BE NICE!!!!). THANK GOD my parent didn't name me what they were *supposed to* --paternal grandfather's name. UGH!

Point is moldign yourself to fit into your surroundings neva killed nobody.
 
There are big issues with ethnic minorities that refuse to assimilate into the australian culture, and I agree that calling peoples choice to not accept their host country Multiculturalism is very wrong.

However, what started in Cronulla as a peacefull protest was fine. It was necessary, and a stand needed to be made. Unfortunately it turned into a drunken rampage where Australian Australians turned into the miniority groups of people that they initially were protesting against. One doesnt have to be rocket scientist to understand that retaliation would follow. The Drunken Australian yobs validated the belief that the minority groups already had.

The whole mess has also been fueled by iresponsible reports in the Media. The whole issue has now been sensationalised beyond belief.

I agree that as part of becomming an Australian, you need to accept the Australian way of life (Whatever that means now). This doesnt mean however that you should loose your freedom to choose. I grew up in country victoria in an Anglo, Italian, Muslim community. I couldnt have imagined a better place to spend my formative years.

Its important to remember that the issues are caused by a minority of a minority group. Many muslims accept the australian way of life. Its unfortunately only ever the minorities that choose not to accept that we ever hear about.

In relation to gun ownership, it is possible to own guns in Australia for recreational purposes. However Australia has never had a culture where it is necessary to protect yourself in that way. Gangland wars or home invasions causing death tend to number in the 10's of people killed per year, rather than thousands. Increasing gun ownership would only increase the number of people killed. We have a balance at the moment where those who like to shoot recreationally can (I'm one of them) and for everyone else they just dont have guns.

There needs to be a middle ground in dealing with this problem. Locking an angry man with strong beliefs up for 2 years with no rehabilitation is just going to make the problem worse once they're released. As many of these ethnic thugs are second or third generation Australians, they cannot be deported.

It is unfortunately true that we may need to write this generation of people off in society, however the push for children that existed in the 80's to encourage multiculturalism and to help children accept each other, needs to start again. In primary school, We had religious Ed as an Anglican (ME) as a Catholic, and as a Muslim. The focus was always on accepting and understand how each culture was slightly different.

However working in education in the late 90's show'd me that this is no longer the case. Parents no longer control their kids or teach them what is acceptable or unacceptable. Those kids come to scool where it is expected that the teachers will instill some level of morals, but how does 1 person teach morals or an acceptable way of life to 30 people at one time.

I dread when all Generation Z's start working I recently had to recruit an entry level helpdesk person, and the Generation Z's are just scary. They have little work ethic, have no idea of how to behave appropriately in a situation with adults, and in the end I hired a Gen Xer as they are willing to work and know how to behave.

In short after my huge ramblings, the issue unfortunately is not confined to one ethnic minority, its unfortunately how our culture is shaping the current generation of teenagers.
 

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