Garbage disposals

[seeitrun2006]

Has anyone used Waste King or Moen garbage disposals???

My main concern is how much motor noise do they produce. We need a much quieter unit!!!

We live in a one level town home. We have a two year old builder grade GE model #GFC325V POS that came with our new home. It sounds like a jack hammer tied to a jet plane thru out the entire house. Plus the grinding chamber is eat up in corrosion and rust.

I saw on a older post Eugene @ Lorain Furniture has sold Moen and that they were a nice unit.

My main concern is the noise factor!!! It’s just me and my wife and we like to cook. We generate a fair amount of food waste. Any advice would be be greatly appreciated!!!

Pease, blessings and good health!!!
David

 

[combo52]

Get A Higher Level ISE Disposer Evolution Etc

Avoid the Chinese Moen JUNK they use the same cheap hi RPM motor in your GE disposer has.

 

These Moen disposers have much smaller diameter grinding turntables and do not like large items let along bones etc.

 

John L.

 

[jamiel]

Just get a ISE Evolution and be done with it. I found that Ace Hardware was $5 cheaper than HD/Lowe's. American Made to boot.

 

[brisnat81]

John, in the US are the ISE units, still serviceable?

Our Evolution has started squealing after 7 years and costs $1300, insinkerator in AU are saying they no longer supply a rebuild kit and that the units are disposable once the seal/bearing starts to fail. Prior to this unit, we had our model 65 rebuilt and that got another 5 years out of it.

Is that the same in the US, parts are no longer a thing?

 

[appnut]

I read somewhere recently that the models at places such as HD & Lowes have more plastic in them and the true rugged built versions from manufacturers have more metal components in them. Both may have essentially the same model, but the plumbing supply places have the real deal.

 

[seeitrun2006]

Evolution space saver model 5/8 hp 2 stage grinding

We went to Lowes Home Improvements yesterday and purchased an Insinkerator Evolution 5/8 hp model #SPACE SAVER. All grinding components are stainless steel vs galvanized steel. Stainless steel does not corrode or rust like galvanized steel. The GE it is replacing the grinding components are eat up in rust after 2 years of use. I’m going to installed it Wednesday.

Thanks again for all the information and advice!!!

Peace, happiness and good health to all!!!

David

 

[reactor]

GE, Moen, Waste King

GE, Moen and Waste King are all sourced from China and use the permanent magnet motors. Noisy, and the 3/4 and 1 hp models, because of their design, often get hard fragments lodged under one of the impellers. This will throw the turntable out of balance and transmit severe shaking to your sink and countertop until it frees itself. That is why I quit buying these units, even before Anaheim Manufacturing began to source them from China. I hear the reliability is now much, much worse.

The above Anaheim/China disposers also have a polymer/plastic lining on the collection chamber below the flywheel. This develops scratches over time where bacteria can collect and can result in a smelly disposal.

If you want something quiet, then yes, you will find nothing quieter on the market than the sound insulated In-Sink-Erator models...and nothing better built. Made in the USA!!

Their top of the line is the Pro 1100XL with a 1.1 HP motor. Plumbing supply houses usually stock it and I have seen some good prices come up on Ebay. However, if buying from Ebay, I would personally shy away from returns and "open box" units, unless the seller has a good rating and accepts returns.

Below is the link to the spec sheet. [this post was last edited: 5/7/2021-20:37]

http://image.shop.ferguson.com/prodimages/insink/specs/PRO1100XL_specs.pdf

 

[reactor]

Pro 1100xl

Glad you found a unit, David. You will like the ISE much better than the china made unit with the GE badge on it.

Just for general information:

Here are some pics, from a current Ebay listing, of a Pro 1100XL.

The unit is nearly identical in appearance (except for the black plastic trim) to the Evolution Excel, but it weighs a few pounds more due to the larger motor, and draws about two more amps.

It looks as if the one in this Ebay listing has seen light commercial use, so I don't think it would be a good thing to purchase as you have an unknown amout of wear on the grinding ring.

Below is the link to Faucet Depot which usually has competitive pricing on ISE disposals.

https://www.faucetdepot.com/faucetdepot/ProductDetail.asp?Product=155946&AffiliateID=BingDirectFeed&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Product%2520Ads(BSC)&utm_term=1101012737904&utm_content=All%2520Products

 

[sudsmaster]

I picked up a Titan1060 disposer for a very reasonable price at Costco about a decade ago. It's got the "Bio-Shield", whatever that is. Plus it came with a magnetic split ring to put around the throat to keep things like steel knives from falling in. It supposedly has all stainless internal construction. It's "made" by Joneca "in cooperation" with Anaheim Marketing.

It's been a good reliable performer. It's also very quiet. If anything, it works too well, because all the fine shreds it produced, probably from orange peels, eventually winding up mixing with hair and fibers from the Neptune washer about 15 feet down the drain line, and did a huge clog that required snaking. I had been laboring under the impression that orange peels fed into a disposer help keep drains clean. Since then I have cut way back on the use of the disposer in order to avoid another clogging event. The real solution is to redo the drains under the house; probably won't happen in my lifetime. But the most eco friendly solution is to re-route kitchen scraps etc. out to one of the three one cubic yard compost bins in the back yard, where eventually they will help plants to grow.

It's similar to this model:

https://www.costco.com/american-standard-1.25-hp-food-waste-disposer.product.100247195.html

 

[sudsmaster]

Here's the brochure on the Titan disposer line...

https://www.joneca.com/wp-content/uploads/TN.3B.2PG.191.pdf

 

[combo52]

Titan Disposers

Sorry Rich, those cheap hi-speed disposers do not grind finely enough for old plumbing, these disposers like ISEs  Cheaper Badger models are really only recommended for new homes with nice smooth plastic drain lines.

 

If I were in your position I would replace that disposer with a good [ $300+ ] ISE model or find a vintage MT, WK or KA disposer, clogged drains are not worth it.

 

Three days ago my BF threw a grapefruit rind down their Badger disposer and clogged up the drain badly, he lives on the next block in the same age 50s house and he sees me put all kinds of stuff down the drain almost every day even with my old galvanized pipes with never a problem.

 

John L.

 

[reactor]

drain clogs

Rich,

Titan, Waste King, Franke, GE are all the same Chinese units.

The Chinese Anaheim units do not have good longevity when it comes to their grinding components and your are most likely getting a courser discharge now that your grinding ring is wearing.

Unless you want to go with a vintage disposal, then your best bet is an ISE with the two or three stage grinding (see ISE website, store display, or the packaging to see which units have single, double or triple grinding stages) This should mitigate your clogging problem.

If you want to go with a vintage disposer, the Hobart-built Kitchen-Aid, and the later Viking built Hobart design have an undercutter blade. Consumer Reports said these had the finest particle discharge.

The actual General Electric-built, series sound motor, Disposall disposals have an 8000 rpm motor. The particle grind isn't as fine, but the force at which the wastes are discharged is quite high and keeps your pipes clean and clear.

A story I've shared before is my sister and brother-in-law had continual sink clogging problems, to the point where my brother-in-law had to put a clean-out on his kitchen drain line, outside of the house, so he could put a snake down there and clean out the regular occurring clogs.

He finally put in a new disposal, a General Electric Piranha with the series-sound 8000 rpm motor. All the rest of the years they lived in that house they never had another clog.

Maytag-built disposals and pre-Anaheim Waste King's are also superb machines and would probably eliminate your clogs.

In the interim, until you get a new or vintage disposer I would recommend filling the disposal side of your sink with water. Hold down the drain cover on the other side with your hand and then turn on the disposal. The disposal will pull the water down with force and flush your pipes. When I have one of my GE series-wound units installed, it pulls the water down so fast it's rather scary. BTW, it's a good idea to make sure your drain line junctions are tight before doing this flush.

Do this on a regular basin (say once monthly, etc.) and this may help eliminate clogs. You may also want to fill the sink basin with HOT water and use a pair of long tongs to pull up the disposal stopper, as it may be too hot to reach into. Not only are your getting a cleaning, but the hot water can help soften any grease deposits on your pipe's lining and help them flush them away.

I don't get clogs, but nevertheless, I do the hot water flush every now and them just as general plumbing maintenance. You may want to give it a try.[this post was last edited: 5/9/2021-11:43]

 

[combo52]

Today Jason And I Went To 2nd Chance In Baltimore

And picked up 7 hi end ISE built disposers for $25 a piece, the last is even the batch feed model.

 

We check these out and give friends and customers great deals on these units.

 

We also picked up a 1991 ISE DW that still smells new inside and does not look like it was used more than 10 times.

 

John L.

 

[seeitrun2006]

Great disposal

This Insinkerator Evolution space saver is the bomb!!! You can barely hear it running. It grinds food waste quickly and quietly. The GE sounded like I has thrown a handful of sheet metal screws in it when was it was grinding.

Once again thanks for the advice!!!

David

 

[ozzie908]

Evolution waste disposer

David your right it is the best one on the market, Its not cheap here nearly £400 but it replaced an insinkerator bottom of the range and its like night and day the difference is amazing it eats everything we throw at it and not a blockage since it was installed ........ Marvellous.

Austin

 

[easy]

Kenmore dsposer

I have always used ISE disposers in the past and never had any problems. I have owned my current home for 35 years and had a disposer (ISE I think) that was causing me a lot of problems. I called a plumber who looked at the unit and informed me that it was missing the main blade! All it was doing was spinning the food around the chamber when I turned it on which resulted in me removing the matter by hand and throwing it into the trash.

I replaced it with a Kenmore 27 years ago which is still running without a problem.
I cook a lot so it gets used multiple times a day.

I don't know if Kenmore disposers exist anymore. If so, they are probably sourced in China like so many other POS today.

 

[reactor]

Kenmore

Yes, David, the last disposal I saw that was branded "Kenmore" was a Chinese permanent magnet unit.

Just out of curiosity. I pulled up Sears.com and scanned through the disposals. Not one was a Kenmore. Some Chinese units and some ISE were there, both with various name badges. Many were being sold by third party merchants.

A little bit off topic, but.....Sears seems to be in its death throes. I haven't been in one of their stores (of the few left) in three or four years. When I was there it was largely devoid of shoppers. Stock of many items seemed low.

Personally, I got tired of the arrogant and rude employees I often encountered there and quit going.

Sears used to be such a great place. So sad.

 

[sudsmaster]

Yeah, I really don't think the Titan disp is the cause of he clogs. Rather, it's the humpty plumbing configuration under the main house bath shower, which is about 15 feet down from the kichen. It's almost a curlicue of cast iron pipe. Oh and plastic drain pipe is illegal in this town.

Besides the weird plumbing configuration, the hair and fibers from the washer closet (added in the 60's, well after the house was built in '41). The previous washer was a GE filter flo, which I still have in storage. True to its name it does a good job of catching lint and hair. The Neptune that replaced it just dumps it all down the drain. And there's not room in the standpipe for the Maytag for a filter sock.

As a remedy, I got a little water sensor alarm and keep that in the '41 bath tiled shower stall. It will let me know when the water starts backing up into the shower (I rarely use that shower) so I can prevent another flood.

The obvious long term solution is to fix the drain pipes where the clogs occur. Meanwhile I've cut way back on use of the disposer. I have a compost pile for food scraps, anyway.

 

[sudsmaster]

Here's the latest in current-driven inductive disposer magnets: