Gay = Terrorist?

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"The United States is negotiating deals with European countries to exchange fingerprint and DNA data in criminal and terrorist cases, and in some circumstances to transfer data on race or ethnic origin, political and religious beliefs, or sexual orientation.

"Such agreements are a condition for granting citizens of newer European Union member states the right to enter the United States without visas, and for maintaining that right for older E.U. members. U.S. citizens already enjoy such a right when traveling to Europe.

"Senior Bush administration officials said the data exchange is crucial for spotting dangerous people before they enter the United States and for furthering criminal and terrorist investigations. "

 
Yup. No surprise. Especially when you consider that most Americans sat idly by, eating chips and pork rinds while this administration conducted massive data mining and surveillance operations with no oversight or accountability and then demanded immunity for those communication companies that cooperated illegally with FBI "requests" for information. Even now, the Senate is taking up the matter in a bill that includes immunity for these companies that shared confidential information with the gubberment. How many of us have written or contacted our senators and representatives expressing our opinions on the matter?

Thanks for posting this, Jeff.
 
This is something right out of a nightmare, isn't it? To me, what's infinitely scarier than what Bush is doing (which, as Lawrence points out, should be completely expected) is the lack of public outrage. Bush has been busy destroying our free society for the last seven years, trampling on our Constitution, illegally monitoring our bank records, our phone conversations, and on and on and on, polarizing us on every issue, and there's not been a single organized movement to stop him. Not one mass march. Nothing.

My partner and I were discussing this last night, and we're ready to throw in the towel and move out of reach of America's implosion. The world has seen this movie before, and it always ends the same way: fascism and eventual world war.
 
A friend and I have been discussing this

I think it's eerily close to 1938.

Going to be an interesting(!) next few years, no matter whom is elected, however, I still think Obama is the better choice.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
How exactly would anyone have access to that kind of sensitive information to transfer it in the first place.

I mean for example, the Irish Government doesn't have any files on me detailing my trade union membership, political party membership or sexual orientation.

I mean that kind of information could only be obtained by actually spying on someone!

They do have records somewhere that would know if I had a criminal record, driving offences, paid tax, claimed welfare, etc though.
 
Here in the U.S. you can plug anyone's name into a search engine and get a list of their political campaign contributions over $200.

Union membership is also in the public record.

As for sexual orientation I'm not really interested in how they get this info, but I'd love to know what relevance they think it has to national security or terrorism. Just bizarre IMO.

 
I just don't know...

Considering the downright LOUSY job the Democrats have done since taking over the Congress in 2006, I think it would be a grave mistake to give them the White House too.
After all, when Dennis Kucinich called for impeachment hearings for Bush and Cheney, Speaker Pelosi actually called doing that a "waste of time" Now the Democratic controlled Congress has something like an 8% approval rating? Go Figure...
We elected Democrats to hold the Republicans accountable and end the war...They have done neither.

I am going to hold my nose and vote for McCain, whom I view to be the lesser of 2 evils.
 
No, no! It'll be a great thing for the Democrats to win the House, Senate and Presidency! They would then be able to better monitor all the rich people better to tax all their illegal wealth and pull this country out of debt and pay for health care for all the illegal aliens! They sure wouldn't monitor anyone poor, in the name of diversity and tolerance.
 
Obama------

just voted to allow immunity for the telephone companies who allow the government access to personal information on American citizens.Proved he is no better than the Republicans. Nancy Pelousy is continuing to make stupid comments and doing idiotic things. If ever a political party shot itself in the foot-------it would be the Democratic Party.

Dubya is an evangelical. He continues to cater to evangelicals. Jerry Falwell once told a reporter from Vanity Fair that "he speaks with Bush or Cheney on a daily basis, and no major decision is ever made without consulting with the evangelical leadership in America" (Falwell, James Dodson, John Hagee, etc.). This was NEVER disputed by the White House, and NONE of the US media had the genetalia to investigate it furthur.

So HIV+ = Gay
Gay = threat
Gay = terrorist, and so on, and so on.

None of it surprises me in the slightest and it shouldn't surprise ya'll either.
Don't get any ideas that Obama is going to be the "guiding light" either. He is busy as hell cuddling up to the evangelicals right now.Thats politics as usual. He is willing to throw gays under the bus to steal some of McCain's thunder. Thats how it has always been.(And no group of evangelicals is more venomously homophobic than the black evangelicals.I'm from Atlanta-----I know all about how they spew hatred from the pulpit.) Nothing has changed. Hate to be so negative. But, I just don't hold out too much hope for this election.

Looks to me like "We the People" are going to excluded-----again. Wouldn't it be nice if being "gay" was a NON-issue. If gays were afforded equal rights under all laws just like everybody else and then none of the other stuff would matter any more. I wonder if I'll see such a thing in my lifetime?

In the mean time our economy is headed down the tubes and not one of the candidates has offered up a realistic idea on waht to do about it-----because they all know-----no matter who takes over Dubya's mess-----they are not going to be able to turn it around. Giving to us 'po folks and taxing the hell out of the rich won't help either.
I NEVER had a poor person offer me employment, and jobs are going to start getting pretty scarce.

What a mess.

Oooooh----o.k.----I'm off my soapbox----too early in the morning!
 
Did someone say the ICK factor in another thread?

I still say give me a candidate I want to vote FOR, rather than ones I have to vote against.

When a poll was taken (WITHIN the country) not long ago about whether it was believed this country would still exist in 100 years, I was flabbergasted that some said "NO". I am no longer shocked at this response.
 
I don't think this data-interchange idea will fly at all in Europe, there are MUCH tighter controls on data protection within the EU and there's considerable concern about sending unnecessary information about citizens to the US.

There seems to be a mentality that all of this information should be gathered simply because it can be gathered as we now have all these new fangled database technologies.

It seems that we're sleep walking into a surveillance society where the authorities will record your every movement just in case they need to investigate them for a future crime that you may commit!!!

They're moving into the realms of the Stazi, the Gestapo and various other horrendous secret police organisations that we fought wars to get rid of!

This Transport for London (London Transport Authority) poster campaign was obviously intentionally using Orwellian references, but even so...

Spooky!
 
The photo:

Also, when I enter the US, it's starting to feel as paranoid as you'd expect at a border crossing in the 1980s in the USSR...

There's something VERY wrong with all these moves towards insane levels of border security.

Also, while the police / border guards at US or indeed at European airports are so busy checking that you don't have the wrong type of deodorant or, that your toothpaste is more than 10 ml, harassing old grannies and insisting that 1 year old babies take off their booties for the xray machine, the real bag guys are more than likely getting past via some other route!

As far as I'm concerned, if we just throw away all our freedoms and live a police state, we're just letting the terrorists win.

Here's that photo:

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Steve, I don't give our existing federal government another 20 years to live, let alone 100. We're already to the point where a large majority of Americans feel completely disenfranchised, and believe their interests and views are not represented. I don't know what form the revolution will take, but I believe it's going to happen soon.
 

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