GE Double wall oven opinions... calling all range & oven mavens -Sandy, Hans, others?

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Wow, good luck getting that oven, it is really awesome! Love the double chrome trimmed windows, it really sets off well with the coppertone!
 
thanks Sandy & Jeff...

and while not the rarest or coolest, TOL GE double ovens of this era are, in my estimation, about as good as it gets for the genre as far as functionality, and that's where it's at for me. The Coppertone is just a plus!
 
The coppertone AND the double windows with the earlier wider chrome trim around the windows... a really great look. Here's my set that I recently found and rescued, in sunny yellow, but unfortunately without the windows. Keep us posted on your new ovens, you will really enjoy them!

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Holy CRAP!

Jeff - those are from 1965 or 1966. The JK 29 didn't get windows until '67. Do you have any idea how rare yours is? Congratulations!

I'd stop worrying about those windows, LOL! You have something very, very few people will ever see, let alone own. In all my years of interest in GE ranges and ovens, I have only seen one other like yours.
 
Yikes Sandy, I didn't realize that they were that rare! I like it because they are a good oven(s), both self cleaning, and still have just enough real chrome and bling in color and are a great looking oven! Like was said in another thread, when you are looking for something, they are always elusively hard to find... when not looking, they will seem a dime a dozen on craigslist! I also like the coppertone with the windows, the chrome window frames and the windows really look nice in the oven doors. As with so many appliances still into the 60s, there was so much style as well as durability and quality in these ovens!
 
Jeff:

I think these are rare survivals, because the control system on the early years of this style was more prone to problems than the little solid-state control board used on later versions. John combo52 has mentioned this characteristic in the past. Also, I mentioned upthread that your version was installed in the Rodgers House in Fairfield, CT. In her book about the house (The House in My Head, Atheneum, New York, 1967) Dorothy Rodgers has something to say about her JK 29:

"The first time I tried the self-cleaning oven, it didn't; but my second try produced sensational results. (As time passed, we discovered serious cooking problems, and though the manufacturers were as eager as we to solve them, it took a long time.)"

Dorothy's book was a huge best-seller, excerpted (with lots of photos) in House Beautiful, with a clear photo of the JK 29 (in brushed chrome) she was talking about. I've long wondered if that bit of bad press was part of the reason GE redesigned the control system.

Obviously, some of these ovens worked perfectly well - yours is proof positive of that. But getting dinged by a best-selling author whose husband just happened to have co-written The Sound of Music might have been the impetus GE needed to make the control system as bullet-proof as it became later.
 
Wow, very interesting! But alas, I can't speak to the performance of this particular oven... right now, I have the late 70s/early 80s version (almond) still installed, and was looking to replace it with the earlier version with the analog clock, earlier dial knobs and oven handle, and far more fun color! The rest of the original kitchen was/is mid 1960s coppertone, which is what I had initially noticed of course on Roger's new set. But this sunny yellow was both local and reasonably priced, and is one of my favorite of the appliance colors. It is so bright and cheerful that it would just have to start your day off right each time you came into the kitchen!
 
Jeff:

If your JK 29 has any "teething troubles," I would contact John combo52. He has a lot of parts (new and used), and he knows stuff about these units that not even GE remembers any more.

I am in absolute AWE that you found one of these! If you ever get rid of it, please put me on your list to contact.
 
Double Oven with Vent Hood

Sandy, would this be the type of vent hood that was in the Rodgers home? No, this is not mine, but a photo that I found in my appliance photo "archives".

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Jeff:

No, the Rodgers installation was a box-like contraption that stuck out from the cabinets above it by three or four inches. It was in stainless or brushed chrome, to match the JK 29.

I'm thinking it was a custom installation of some sort. Interesting to see your photo!
 
Is This Some Kinda Trick Question, LOL?

"Sandy, what would be the difference between a JK-29 and a JK-28?"

Jeff,

Your question makes me wonder if you have found the model number JK 28 on that yellow double oven of yours.

If you have, it gives me some info I had not had before. If yours is a JK 28, that means that JK 28 is the number of the TOL double oven with two P*7 ovens, but without oven door windows. That configuration was sold in 1966, because GE hadn't yet begun putting windowed doors on the entire P*7 lineup yet.

A JK 29 is the exact same oven you have, but with windowed oven doors. The white unit you posted above is a JK 29.

So, it's looking to me like GE used JK 28 on the 1966 model, but changed it to JK 29 in 1967, when they began putting the windowed doors on the TOL double ovem. I have always referred to the 1966 version without the doors as a JK 29, for lack of any other model number; I do not have catalogs for every year. Dammit.

A check of my 1971 and 1972 catalogs shows that the model number JK 28 was not used for any of their wall ovens in either of those years.

So - are you telling me that your yellow oven is a JK 28?
 
Yes, it is a JK28

Sandy, I think that your thought on the model number makes sense. Yes, I confirmed the model number on mine is JK28. So I think we have a serial number mystery solved! Now when did they go from the larger chrome window trim, like on Rogers wonderful new coppertone ovens, to the smaller window trim? I also find it interesting on these ovens, they went through the clock updates over the years... analog on the early models, 'flipper' number clocks, and then digital clocks... maybe even more versions!
 
Jeff:

Thanks for clearing that up - the non-windowed version is JK 28, the windowed one is JK 29. Got it.

Now for the window trim. That's not a yearly change, it's a model feature. GE did this on its TOL ranges and ovens - everything through upper-MOL units got the narrow stainless trim. TOL units got the heavy, wider die-cast trim. My J 370 30-inch free-standing range (upper-MOL) has the narrow trim, but my J 757 (TOL) has the wide trim.

If you see a self-cleaning GE double wall oven with the narrow trim on its oven windows, you're looking at an upper-MOL unit, where only one of the ovens has the P*7 feature. For a long time, that unit was the JK 25, seen in the shot below. As you can see, it strongly resembles a JK 29, which was entirely intentional. But the window frames, the lack of a P*7 lock lever on the lower oven, the lack of chrome trim around the doors and the lack of a meat thermometer dial give it away.[this post was last edited: 10/21/2014-12:16]

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and just to further complicate things...lol

GE also had a JK-22 double oven that apparently was a JK-25, without the windows?

One is shown in a ca. 1968 contractor promotional piece that I have, along with a JK-29 and a J-797 range and other appliances being hawked to builders.
 
Roger:

The 1971 catalog I have shows only the JC 25, a double-oven unit with windowed doors and no P*7 in either oven.

GE's "builder's specials" seem to have been precisely that - offered to builders, and not through retail outlets. I'll happily stand corrected on this if anyone has more info.
 
could well be a Builder Special (BS? LOL)

here's the descrip from the promo piece:

"The perfect option - economically priced!'
"GE's Double Oven model JK22 features P-7 self-cleaning upper oven and conventional lower oven. Also shown - JP76 Cooktop and JV61 Hood"

The control panel looks identical to the JK-29, but is pictured small enough that actual details aren't visible. Doors are shown open and hard to see in the horizontal plane, but both appear to be windowless. It's kind of a cool piece of lit in that it's directed strictly towards the construction industry.
 
I have seen so many versions of these GE double ovens... both ovens with windows, both without, or window upper, no window lower... and I thought models with the upper oven self cleaning and lower oven not. And, as Sandy explained, the larger chrome trim (TOL, like Rogers wonderful new ovens) and the smaller chrome trim.
 
We moved into a house about 3 years ago that has the white JK-29 double/self-cleaning ovens. It is in great shape and everything works. Unfortunately, the inner door tab that slides into the hinge broke, so it's now being repaired and I cannot WAIT for it to be intact again.

There is a quite a bit of useful information in this thread that has really helped me to understand/confirm what a gem we have, and just reinforced our desire to keep it as long as we possibly can. Apparently the previous homeowners loved it too, as they must have kept it when they remodeled the kitchen -- even then, it was probably 20 years old.

It has a coordinating Broan range hood installed over it that also works very well -- so quiet, considering the amount of draw it has.

Pic attached, sorry it's not the best.

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Nice! Almost identical to ours...but I notice that the handles are slightly different. Ours has faux wood inserts, yours have brushed metallic inserts. Probably manufactured different years.
 
Thermostat Replacement...please help!!

I have a Coppertone Hotpoint double wall oven and I understand they were made by GE. It looks just like the GE above but it is 24" wide. The bake element in the upper over started sparking and died. I replaced it but now the knob indicator light doesn't come on and the element doesn't either. Anyone have any ideas? I've been told it could be the thermostat. Does anyone know if that requires a new part? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!
 
I have a beautiful Almond

GE p7 double wall oven, P7 on top manual on bottom with a matching cooktop, infinite heat 2 wire wired in units, it can be someones if they want it,,,a REAL DEAL I saved it from a kitchen remodel at the retirement community where I used to work,
 
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