Here is a early 90's Kenmore made by GE!
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next and last!
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Actually, it is a KenROAR!
cfz2882
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pump motor
interesting that they were still using that nasty shaded pole pump motor
-noisy and uses about twice the power of a split phase of same HP rating...
interesting that they were still using that nasty shaded pole pump motor
-noisy and uses about twice the power of a split phase of same HP rating...
cyclemonitor
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KenROAR is right
I had one of these...and it was very NOISY
Peter you beat me to this one, I was going to post this the same day you did. LOL!
I had one of these...and it was very NOISY
Peter you beat me to this one, I was going to post this the same day you did. LOL!
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RE "nasty shaded pole pump motor
-noisy and uses about twice the power of a split phase of same HP rating."
The pump motor draws little power compared to the heater.
A shaded pole motor costs less. It has no centrifugal switch.
Often small split phase motors are of the PSC variant; maybe what you meant. These Permanent-split capacitor motors are simpler and have no costly centrifugal switch. The start winding is always on and has a capacitor in series.
The energy savings of using a split phase versus a shaded pole compared the total power consumed of a dishwater would be little. One really is driving up the units cost to the customer with no savings benefits; ie pure waste by using the wrong type motor. Shaded pole motors are on many dishwashers, washing machine pumps too since often they are the most cost effective and green type of motor to use.
-noisy and uses about twice the power of a split phase of same HP rating."
The pump motor draws little power compared to the heater.
A shaded pole motor costs less. It has no centrifugal switch.
Often small split phase motors are of the PSC variant; maybe what you meant. These Permanent-split capacitor motors are simpler and have no costly centrifugal switch. The start winding is always on and has a capacitor in series.
The energy savings of using a split phase versus a shaded pole compared the total power consumed of a dishwater would be little. One really is driving up the units cost to the customer with no savings benefits; ie pure waste by using the wrong type motor. Shaded pole motors are on many dishwashers, washing machine pumps too since often they are the most cost effective and green type of motor to use.
During this time period GE had the most efficient production facilities (Louisville, KY Appliance Park) so they could private label very easily and efficiently...compare to how they did not private-label laundry in the same time-frame (stuck with the Filter-Flo chassis)
Would a split phase motor not roar as much? If the start winding is always on, would it be considered a "phantom load" that we are supposed to try to eliminate?
cfz2882
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loud GE DW motor
i haven't heard an older GE DW for a while,but my grandma had a rollout one
from around 1972-it's motor was quite noisy,lots of "magnetic"whirring and
fan noise as the inherently inefficient shaded pole motor needed an
oversized cooling fan to prevent overheating VS a split phase motor that
usually only needs little fins on the rotor to cool.Sometime around 1981 or
so the GE motor was redesigned(still shaded pole)and the large stamped
metal fan was switched to a smaller "squirrel cage"on the motor shaft.
two pole Shaded pole motors usually run at around 3000 rpm while two pole
split phase motors run at 3450 rpm,split capacitor motors spin just a little
slower-around 3350-3400 rpm.
With split phase motors,the start winding is supposed to be inactive when
motor is at speed-switched out by a centrifugal switch(like my '74 KA)or
a current relay-most other DW (and filter flo washers)
i haven't heard an older GE DW for a while,but my grandma had a rollout one
from around 1972-it's motor was quite noisy,lots of "magnetic"whirring and
fan noise as the inherently inefficient shaded pole motor needed an
oversized cooling fan to prevent overheating VS a split phase motor that
usually only needs little fins on the rotor to cool.Sometime around 1981 or
so the GE motor was redesigned(still shaded pole)and the large stamped
metal fan was switched to a smaller "squirrel cage"on the motor shaft.
two pole Shaded pole motors usually run at around 3000 rpm while two pole
split phase motors run at 3450 rpm,split capacitor motors spin just a little
slower-around 3350-3400 rpm.
With split phase motors,the start winding is supposed to be inactive when
motor is at speed-switched out by a centrifugal switch(like my '74 KA)or
a current relay-most other DW (and filter flo washers)
GE SHADED POLE MPTORS
You hit the nail on the head ctz2882 these motors used over 4 times the power of the motor that replaces it and the large cooling fan contributed heavily to the noise level, let along when the fan would come loose on the motor shaft. GE had trouble with loose fans all through the 1990s. The other thing I hated about these motors is that when they were under load the motor speed would vary so the machine would sound like it was straining while it was washing.
3bwesty on these machines the motor actually did use more power than the heater, the model tag for these machines lists the heater draw @ 5 AMPS and the motor @ 5.5 AMPS. I always thought they should have wrapped copper water tubing around the motor and used all the waste heat to heat the wash water. You could really feel the heat generated by GE DWs when you had the lower panels off when you were lying on the floor working on them.
You hit the nail on the head ctz2882 these motors used over 4 times the power of the motor that replaces it and the large cooling fan contributed heavily to the noise level, let along when the fan would come loose on the motor shaft. GE had trouble with loose fans all through the 1990s. The other thing I hated about these motors is that when they were under load the motor speed would vary so the machine would sound like it was straining while it was washing.
3bwesty on these machines the motor actually did use more power than the heater, the model tag for these machines lists the heater draw @ 5 AMPS and the motor @ 5.5 AMPS. I always thought they should have wrapped copper water tubing around the motor and used all the waste heat to heat the wash water. You could really feel the heat generated by GE DWs when you had the lower panels off when you were lying on the floor working on them.
aldspinboy
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Peter thanks for the scans...
I had a good time with these GE dishwasehers i just like to here the tower hit the top of the console with that long sweeping action GE is famous for in there tower sprayarm systems.
My friend has time share at the beach in Ocean city NJ.
here are the pics of the Dishwasher we use when down there.
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I had a good time with these GE dishwasehers i just like to here the tower hit the top of the console with that long sweeping action GE is famous for in there tower sprayarm systems.
My friend has time share at the beach in Ocean city NJ.
here are the pics of the Dishwasher we use when down there.
Sorry small Pics.[this post was last edited: 2/26/2011-21:54]
aldspinboy
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It cleans very well and this model that been branded Kenmore was pretty quite compared to other models.
I beleave this was the last of them ,this had the boosted prewash and water heat cycle.
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I beleave this was the last of them ,this had the boosted prewash and water heat cycle.
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aldspinboy
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Pic 3. Minus the dog prewashing lol.
Darren k.
Darren k.
GE Kenmore!
No Darren - leave the dog - I like him!
No Darren - leave the dog - I like him!
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