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“My personal preference: Drive the drain pump via a half horse power motor.”

This is what you said.
I would only agree if yes, you’re driving the whole machine with one motor.
But you said to drive the drain pump.
That’s silly.
 
Correct, I did indeed say that.

 

I also clarified it three sentences latter: "<span style="color: #ff0000;">...they just could not match the reliability <span style="text-decoration: underline;">main drive driven pumps."</span></span>

 

 

The main 1/2 HP motor drives the drain pump in a direct drive top loader during the initial two minute pump out. After a 4 second motor pause the neutral gear engages in the transmission. The main 1/2 HP motor starts running again driving both the pump and the basket. 

 

 

You go on to falsely imply I was talking about a second 1/2HP motor sitting next to the 1/2HP drive motor for a total of two 1/2HP motors in the machine.  

 

 

This is what I mean when I say a select few on this site either twist my words or take my words out of context such creating a meaning I never wrote, stated or intended.
 
It’s ridiculous to use a half horsepower Motor

To drain a washing machine, and the direct drive washer pump while durable is no more durable than the small electric pumps used in current top load in front load machines. We certainly replace a lot more direct drive pumps than we ever replaced the small electric pumps.

It’s better to have something designed for the task at hand then to try to get one thing to do two things, putting the pump directly on the motor like the direct driver under the motor on the Speed Queen sometimes results and ruining the motor when the pump leaks and makes for a very expensive repair that causes the machine to be trashed where you could just simply replace a small electric pump if it fails.

It’s also ridiculous to use 700 W worth of power to do what 80 W does very nicely. The electric drain pump is quieter and far more efficient, which is why 95% of washing machines built in the world today I have electric drain pumps.

John L
 
A major down side to separate electric pumps is that settled detergent can not be pumped back into the tub.

 

 

Electric pumps are the noise-est part in a modern washer- they often gargle, buzz, and hum loudly ruining the smooth quiet spin of a hydro wave, VMW washer or front load washer. 

 

I'll take the very small risk of a drippy main motor driven pump.
 
to chetlaham

The reason why I'm curious about the gear oil in the GE transmission is because the filter-flo transmissions ran smoothly, compared to what came after. I bet that GE oil in the wh38x10002 is a thinner version of the filter-flo gear oil which may make the gears noisy. I'm surprised how the transmission doesn't break under such extremely heavy use.[this post was last edited: 2/17/2025-11:07]
 
transmission

That's another factor. They should've kept the large transmission and the oil but eliminated the belt and pulleys if they wanted short/fast strokes that are smooth. The transmission sounds sick under super sized loads.
I mean, how can a transmission use such heavy force when agitating laundry and spinning. That oil seems low grade along with the gears compared to their previous platform from 1993 and earlier.[this post was last edited: 2/17/2025-15:01]
 
Nothing wrong with belts and pulleys. Maytag belts outlived direct drive couplers often by a factor of two. Other than that I agree 100% with your assessment. 

 

 

Again, remember the model Ts were toys, they were meant to extract the remaining profit out of GE's reputation.

 

If GE was serious they wouldn't have outsourced their brake and transmission with the specs they demanded. They would as you said use a fill size transmission engineered in house with quality oil. They'd have gotten other divisions involved. They'd have done thorough accelerated life testing before releasing the model Ts. 

 

 

I know what your getting at Jerome LOL. GE at one point could have bought the Ratheon Goodman design and improved the seals increasing reliability. They would've had a world class washer that had the best suspension system in the world, excellent washing and cleaning exceeding a direct drive, with enough reliability for brand reputation while holding a competitive edge.

 

The heartache that could've been spared if my 1998 model T was a Goodman design.   
 
chetlaham

I feel the same way when my GE from 2001 shook like crazy during agitation. The cabinet twisted and did that squeaking noise while the motor did that high pich whirr. I thought the water was running after it filled. That transmission sounded overworked to me. If anything, the only thing that was used on the filter and the model T was the belt and drain hose. I thought the transmission was going to break when I heard that double knock. The only water sound I heard during agitation was the tub ring shaking back and forth. It did sound like a toy to play with compared to the filter-flo. I'm dead serious.
So what if we talk like looney tunes? Even they would agree that GE model t's were stupid. The dryers were no better. I bet that model T oil stunk to high heaven compared to the filter-flo gear oil that smelled fresher.
Oh please! Don't even get me started with the cabinet twisting and shifting again, despite the fact that everything was installed to the tee as described in the manual. I watched my install the machines. It did clean fine but the build quality sucked. I have smelled the gear oil too!
@john300bm, are you serious? For you to sit there and callus looney tunes doesn't phase me whatsoever.[this post was last edited: 2/17/2025-17:27]
 
Nope. Wrong wrong wrong.
I had two apartments that had T model washers and they were fine. They were both at least 5yrs old.
NO OIL SMELL.
WHY WOULD THERE BE OIL SMELL?!
T washers didn’t leak and seep like the NASTY rubber boots in FilterFlos!
My grandparents had a FF and it STUNK UP their whole basement.
T washers washed perfectly fine, with good detergent.
I opened the front of both up. Perfectly clean on the inside.
Cabinets never shook more than any other top loader I used.
Like anything, as long as it was properly used, those washers could go 10yrs fine.
 
The model T I used was exactly as Jerome describes. The whole inner and outer tub shook violently tugging away at the snubber straps. The washer would screech and moan in agitation. Awful sound, it sounded like the washer would fall apart.

 

 

Only thing loony tunes was GE selling such a washer. They already had won the reputation of landlords and contractors so there was no issue in selling them a flaming pile of merde. By the time landlords caught on GE got their money. The real victims were the tenants that had to use their awful washers.

 

 

John, the real stink for me was the Model T. The square reinforcements and the neutral drain would trap lint, sludge and water making for a biological science experiment. Yuck.  
 
YOU just didn’t like it.
Doesn’t mean it didn’t do its job.
And joke’s on you they sold millions them. They got their money. I never had those buildup issues in the rental Ts.
You’re doing your laundry wrong then.
 
And sludge buildup, if you never do washer cleaning, is an issue on any rib reinforced plastic tub.
Not just the GEs.
The first thing I do when I get a new place is do TWO washer cleaning cycles.
One with Affresh and the 2nd with bleach.
Works every time.
 
Jokes on you, GE went the way of Maytag and had to sell out to Haier.

 

 

Many people did not like them or their other products. But by that point GE had people's money to retire comfortably.

 

 

As I said, they had a reputation and they did not let that go to waste.

 

 
 
chetlaham

Don't forget about upscale buyers. I had the upscale model with the gentle power agitator. You could smell the gear oil when it heated up during operation.
What the heck? Is john300bm serious? The motors were okay but they sounded terrible. Their transmissions sounded tinny and their oil smelled bad. I've smelled it while it heated up during the spin cycle and agitation. The transmission had that straining sound and that loud double knock especially on white loads. The suspension would squeak even when it didn't do that sawing noise. The agitator did that muffled banging from underwater when the dual action gentle power agitator tried to turn the load over. If anything was quiet, it's the water filling sometimes. Mine had the centrifugal start motor. It sounded like a bad drummer going completely ham bashing everything.
 
Transmission noise

The T model transmissions made absolutely no noise. You couldn’t hear the transmission, you couldn’t smell the oil either. It was completely sealed.

In fact, I’ve never heard the transmission in any top load agitator washer with the exception of older dependable Care Maytag washers with the Pittman transmission you could hear a nice gentle humming sound from the pinion gear, it was not a bad sound.

The Maytag you could hear because it used straight cut gears, whirlpool belt drive machines and GE filter flows and most others used helium cut gear so they had no gear noise.

But overall, I’ve never heard a noisy transmission in any washing machine. I don’t know what you guys are hearing, but it’s not the gears in the transmission.

John L
 

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