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Not my video, but I was wonder if this is normal for new washers? It looks almost like a defect but then again I guess this is how all new topload washer rinse to meet energy requirements?



The Whirlpool version that Ive seen do a series of spin sprays but Ive never seen a half way fill and then 15 second agitate.
 
That's because she bought the cheap a$$ Hotpoint that doesn't have the deep rinse feature or even a fabric softener dispenser. I have no sympathy for people that don't do research before they buy something. Even worse when they generalize and say don't buy a GE washer. Like all of them are the same. Stupid. Ignorant, uninformed people should not be posting videos giving advice.

I used this type of rinse on my GE Hydrowave and it rinsed just fine. I used FS most times so I used the PowerRinse feature more often, however.
 
Research/Horrible

I agree people need to research, but at the same time I dont think consumers having 50 years of trust would imagine such a awful thing creeping up on them. Many big appliance stores don't even have the manuals in the tub to look at. Being what looks like a classic top load with a fill selector and no hint of "energy star" labeling on it, I would probably fall for the same trick. Which is why I always try to check the tech sheet out before buying anything, but finding tech sheets for new appliances is often like trying to find classified missile defense documents. Unless you are a certified service tech for Whirlpool or GE forget about it. Frigidaire however does have their tech sheets online which has been a blessing.

As for the method GE uses it is absolutely horrible (and exceptionally stupid) to say the least. Id guess they use 15 seconds of agitation probably to avoid damaging clothes from the fast strokes known in post filter flo washer, but at the same time roll over or complete immersion of individual fabrics (at least once) does not take place leaving items at the top virtually unrinsed. Personally, GE would have had happier customers if the machine did a series of spin sprays which would give far better coverage along with superior rinsing. If anything that would have cheapened the cost of the machine a bit eliminating the extra pressure switch and timer contacts.

If I had the task of designing this washer Id have simply put a curve in the fill flume to fan water toward the tub and placed about 6 20 second sub-interval spray rinses starting at the beginning of spin running the motor on slow seed (if applicable) for the first 5 sub intervals and then ramping up to high speed. Id also add either a "bulky specials" cycle or a separate "deep rinse and spin only" cycle in between the existing allowing users to either second rinse or avoid spin spraying only. Being that a good spin spray is effective in general (look at the older Maytags) low soil clothes and folks using less detergent would not even notice, and when they do, a classic deep rinse would be right on the dial. Had GE done that here, this person might not have even noticed the grit or simply been told by GE "hit it with a second rinse as provided on the dial"

Why oh why do large corporations make things more complicated, expensive and difficult while bruising their own reputation is well beyond me?

Personally I think GE selling their appliance business is no accident. Ive seen the work they do and at time they do give themselves a black eye like they did with this washer. Yes the are following government regulations, but there is a better way to make the most of that limited water as Speed Queen has done on their newer machines.
 
OLD MACHINE

I think this is an older machine. Appears to have a transmission and not a hydrowave. Probably bought second hand. Additionally, the lint problem is more likely a sorting issue and not a fault of the machine. And for God's sake, change the battery in you GD smoke detector. Annoying!

Malcolm
 
My mom has this machine now, though hers is an actual GE brand. Same style and everything though. It was bought by my Mamaw and Papaw before they passed away, while Mamaw was sick with Hospice care and Papaw wasn't doing much better. The trusty RimFlo finally kicked the bucket, and he wasn't in the shape anymore to try and fix it, so as they did with other appliances, Mamaw called Fredrickson's and said literally "bring us a washer, cheapest you got", and this was the result. Not a good thing considering we needed a machine that could handle soiled bed sheets and such on a daily basis. I called and begged them to let us upgrade to a model that actually had a rinse option but they basically said oh well, and didn't seem to give a damn that we had sick people to wash for.

Now that my mom has been living there after they passed in '12, I guess she's still running two cycles per load, one to wash and another to rinse. I tried looking into the parts diagram and couldn't see any additional pressure sensor. I think it's literally timed to fill for a minute or so and then agitate for fifteen seconds. You either have to wash very small loads, or run two separate cycles. It's a mess. I'm sure results would be even worse for people with poor water pressure.
 
GELaundry, I think you are missing the point.

Last time I checked, buying a new washer is a bit of an investment. We're not talking about buying a toaster here.

Even when buying the lower end models, they should still be capable of rinsing properly, at least having the option of a proper deep rinse or being able to spray rinse by default.

Go to your local appliance shop and price out the lower end machines. You'll find that not everyone can afford to buy a higher end model that has features like it should. Can you afford the base models right now? If so, what would you buy?

In saying that, The Filter Flo platform is nearly 22 years old now since they discontinued it, so not everyone has the luxury of being able to buy a used 22 year old washer that is in good shape. Even still, it is a technologically obsolete platform and design. A '57 Chevy looks great, but it is still a death trap and makes for a poor daily driver.

We all know that GE has their decent models which do the job and they've capitulated to the market by offering deep water washes instead of forcing the HE washing style on everyone. So we have to give them credit for trying. Alliance is eating their lunch because of government regulation.

As much as I hate to say it, the GE that we all knew and loved is now dead and has been dead for a while now. They're owned by the Chinese now and there's nothing we can do about it. So, the reality is that we should move on, stop focusing on things we can't fix and go to the competition, who better understands what the consumers want and what makes for a decent machine.
 
Good points, but people ARE stupid. Believe me, I work for an airline. I see stupid people all day long! lmao.

I don't really understand GE's idea behind this BOL machine...but the technology certainly isn't up to date. Whirlpool updated their machines, even after just recently updating them. So maybe there's a new version coming for this Hotpoint, who knows.

The Haier deal isn't finalized or approved yet by the DOJ. I suspect it will go through however.

Filter Flo's while popular in their day, aren't as easy to find on the used market as the Whirlpool, or even Maytag machines. They certainly do their job and I love mine but it's not without faults. Jerome just likes the machine and that's great...but reality is even when they were discontinued in the mid 90's, they were very outdated. If I remember correctly, the Hotpoint machines lasted a couple years longer than the GE's...so that goes to show you where Hotpoint is on the priority list of GE. hahaha.
 
I've seen that video...

And needless to say, this lady says that we should never buy GE washers because they don't rinse. Like all GE's don't rinse your clothes! What I'm saying is that should've picked the GE washer with at least a power rinse and/or fabric softener then she would've been satisfied! I have a GE post filter-flo which is 16 years old and I have no problems. Not all post filter-flos are bad. I can't believe she said that all GE's are bad! She should've restarted the cycle and been done with it!
 
It's the same thing as saying "I'M NEVER FLYING X-AIRLINE AGAIN!"
Or..."THAT SALES AGENT WAS SO RUDE, I'M NEVER SHOPPING AT BEST BUY EVER AGAIN!!!!"

It's all emotional.
In fact, it's the same emotional knee-jerk you're having with someone dissing GE appliances.
They're really nothing special anymore.
And that's a former GE fanboy saying that.
 
qualin,

You wrote:

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In saying that, The Filter Flo platform is nearly 22 years old now since they discontinued it, so not everyone has the luxury of being able to buy a used 22 year old washer that is in good shape. Even still, it is a technologically obsolete platform and design....

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I would have to disagree with you that this design is 'technologically obsolete'. No other washer filters as well. No modern washer rinses as well. Short of a washer which heats, I can't think of a single modern washer (SpeedQueen TL?) which cleans as well.

 

How so obsolete? Why would I want a piece of trash which has to be cleaned regularly because it can't even keep itself clean, far less my clothes? That's technologically superior exactly how?

Oh, and how many of these mold incubators will be around in 22 years?

 

Hmm, on reflection, that was a bit harsh, sorry. I like clean clothes and just don't see HE washers delivering them.

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I don't blame you.

That's why I'm not to keen on HE washers, let alone GE's. I'd rather have a GE or any other washer that is fully filled, aggressively agitated, and will deliver me truly rinsed clothes. I want completely clean clothes, not partially or halfway. I want it all the way done.
 
Panthera, I thought I should justify my remarks more closely..

> No other washer filters as well. No modern washer rinses as well.

The Filter-Flo was designed at a time when people line dried their clothing, not everyone had a clothes dryer, so lint filtering was an absolute must. Since most everyone today uses a clothes dryer and a lot of neighborhoods actually prohibit line drying, the need to filter the wash water was made obsolete by the lint filter in a dryer.

I also have to disagree about the rinsing part. We could argue that any Solid Tub Speed Queen washer does just as good a job as rinsing as a Filter-Flo, but we all know that solid tub designs were phased out by the late 1970's, With Speed Queen being the lone hold out.

> I can't think of a single modern washer (SpeedQueen TL?) which cleans as well.

I have a 2011 vintage Huebsch (Canadian Speed Queen) which does a much better job cleaning my clothing than my old 2004 GE Top loader ever did.

I honestly think it would be an interesting discussion to have, putting a Filter-Flo to the test against a modern SQ Top loader.

> How so obsolete?

The Filter-Flo machines used an Aircraft Cable Type of suspension, which meant that they tended to walk around the room if the load was unbalanced. GE fixed this problem when they revised their suspension system with a new design.

Also, Filter-Flos were based upon a solid tub design originally. As a result, when they switched over to using a perforated tub, there was a large gap between the inner and outer tubs, resulting in a massive amount of wasted water.

When Whirlpool came out with their first Microprocessor controlled washing machine in 1978, GE was still using mechanical timers. They didn't even start making microprocessor controlled washers until the latter 1990's.

So, when I say it was outdated, it was outdated in comparison to everyone else, who was manufacturing washers which didn't waste as much water, used microprocessor control and didn't need a filter pan because it wasn't needed anymore. That's the rationale for my comment.

> Why would I want a piece of trash which has to be cleaned regularly because it can't even keep itself clean, far less my clothes? That's technologically superior exactly how?

Well, actually it isn't. In fact, those machines, even though they do use more technology, are inferior machines because they just don't clean as well. So, no, you wouldn't want them.

But, take into account my 2011 Huebsch. It is Microprocessor controlled and uses nearly half as much water as my older 2004 GE top loader did. It will probably outlast me and it self cleans itself because it is all Stainless Steel, there's no plastic.

> Oh, and how many of these mold incubators will be around in 22 years?

Again, it comes down to the design of the machine. Just because something is newer doesn't mean that it is better. Even so, there have been much better designs released in the last few decades that eclipse the efficiency of those older designs.

> I like clean clothes and just don't see HE washers delivering them.

Actually, I agree with you on one point.. I absolutely dislike HE washing in anything that is a top loader. HE washing in a front loader is much better and that's what they were designed for. I don't believe that there is such a thing as a decent top loading HE machine, the design just doesn't work all that well.

So yes, I would rather have an "obsolete" Filter Flo over a top loading HE washer any day of the week because even if it does use more water, it'll at least get my clothes considerably cleaner.
 

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