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One of the best upper racks in the industry.
Best dishwasher I've owned until the current Bosch.
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The 1200 was sold for $45. Did one of our members purchase it?
The 1200 was sold for $45. Did one of our members purchase it?
GE best dishwasher to date
When these came out, this was the most significant improvement GE had ever made in home dishwashers.
It did have a top rack that held a lot of dishes that’s for sure however tall things like glasses did not get clean in the corners unless there was nothing in the lower rack under them, and for the space in the top rack, the lower rack really took away from that as it held very little between the huge silverware basket cut out for the silly pop-up tower and the area behind the tower that only held little dessert dishes and wide spacing that only accommodated half dozen plates or so.
The sad thing was they continued to use the crummy, noisy pump and motor that they used and all their builder model machines at this time. This was easily the worst pump and motor in any US dishwasher at the time.
If anybody missed out on this dishwasher and wants one of these, I have one just like it at the warehouse free for the taking. We’re going to do a lot of cleaning up in the warehouse in the next month or so and a number of things are getting Recycled.
John
When these came out, this was the most significant improvement GE had ever made in home dishwashers.
It did have a top rack that held a lot of dishes that’s for sure however tall things like glasses did not get clean in the corners unless there was nothing in the lower rack under them, and for the space in the top rack, the lower rack really took away from that as it held very little between the huge silverware basket cut out for the silly pop-up tower and the area behind the tower that only held little dessert dishes and wide spacing that only accommodated half dozen plates or so.
The sad thing was they continued to use the crummy, noisy pump and motor that they used and all their builder model machines at this time. This was easily the worst pump and motor in any US dishwasher at the time.
If anybody missed out on this dishwasher and wants one of these, I have one just like it at the warehouse free for the taking. We’re going to do a lot of cleaning up in the warehouse in the next month or so and a number of things are getting Recycled.
John
reactor
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Exaggerations
John's usual exaggerations...and lies. GE tower washes never had a problem with washing in the corners. Many of our members have tower washes and will confirm this. Obviously Consumer Reports would have noticed such a glaring omission is performance. Not to mention the GSD 1200 had the top rating of all dishwashers, in the mid-1980's, in Consumer Reports. In many years they also had top reliability ratings along with Whirlpool. You don't achieve that with poor quality motors. Both Whirlpool and GE used shaded pole motors in the day because of their simplicity and reliability.
Most of your posts are simply opinions based on your personal biases supported by exaggerations, and often outright lies. Your technical descriptors, such as "silly" and "crummy" are more suitable for a child and only confirm bias rather than present any reality. People are getting tired of your using this site as your platform to uphold your biases and for condemnations of anyone who disagrees with you.
John's usual exaggerations...and lies. GE tower washes never had a problem with washing in the corners. Many of our members have tower washes and will confirm this. Obviously Consumer Reports would have noticed such a glaring omission is performance. Not to mention the GSD 1200 had the top rating of all dishwashers, in the mid-1980's, in Consumer Reports. In many years they also had top reliability ratings along with Whirlpool. You don't achieve that with poor quality motors. Both Whirlpool and GE used shaded pole motors in the day because of their simplicity and reliability.
Most of your posts are simply opinions based on your personal biases supported by exaggerations, and often outright lies. Your technical descriptors, such as "silly" and "crummy" are more suitable for a child and only confirm bias rather than present any reality. People are getting tired of your using this site as your platform to uphold your biases and for condemnations of anyone who disagrees with you.
Sorry Barry, just because you like something which is great you can’t make up lies about it. There were no exaggerations or incorrect statements in my post.
Consumer reports never test dishwashers with loads of pots and pans and bowls. They only test them with dishes this GE dishwasher can do an excellent job with just dishes, but large items will block the water to the corners of the top rack. That’s a Simple FACT . There’s a reason that no dishwasher in the world worth a damn has a pop-up tower in the lower rack anymore instead of a real wash arm even Maytag learned this was not effective in reverse rack dishwashers and they redesigned it. ( it did take Maytag three complete different designs until they came up with the dishwasher that held a lot with random loading, however )
Whirlpool never built a dishwasher with a shaded pole motor, they also never used a crappy drain valve where the seal would leak and destroy peoples floors and make for costly repairs.
John
Consumer reports never test dishwashers with loads of pots and pans and bowls. They only test them with dishes this GE dishwasher can do an excellent job with just dishes, but large items will block the water to the corners of the top rack. That’s a Simple FACT . There’s a reason that no dishwasher in the world worth a damn has a pop-up tower in the lower rack anymore instead of a real wash arm even Maytag learned this was not effective in reverse rack dishwashers and they redesigned it. ( it did take Maytag three complete different designs until they came up with the dishwasher that held a lot with random loading, however )
Whirlpool never built a dishwasher with a shaded pole motor, they also never used a crappy drain valve where the seal would leak and destroy peoples floors and make for costly repairs.
John
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1200 con't
Yes, Whirlpool did use a shaded pole motor. I suggest you look at their literature. There is no excuse for your not knowing that.
You went from saying GE tower washes couldn't clean in the corners period to now they can't clean pots and pans and bowls in the corners. Keep making up different iterations as you go along, John. Everyone knows you fabricate when reality doesn't match the false image of reality that you attempt to create...The pseudo-reality that supports your personal biases. Your arguments are not even logical now, a bowl presents a greater surface area to water and is a lesser challenge than a narrow glass. Anyone on this site who has ever owned a tower wash knows your statement is an outright lie. But it matters not if you are logical or not in your denigrations, as your words come of your neuroses.
Your modus operandi is to make your opinions seem as facts when they are nothing more than opinions.
Why did you even need to comment on this original post? You got jealous because Bob complemented the GSD 1200 and you can't stand it. If anyone puts out praise for virtually anything but a Whirlpool dishwasher you just can't handle it emotionally. You are an adult, deal with your childish emotional issues on your own time and quit disrespecting others on this site who opinions are differing from yours.
Yes, Whirlpool did use a shaded pole motor. I suggest you look at their literature. There is no excuse for your not knowing that.
You went from saying GE tower washes couldn't clean in the corners period to now they can't clean pots and pans and bowls in the corners. Keep making up different iterations as you go along, John. Everyone knows you fabricate when reality doesn't match the false image of reality that you attempt to create...The pseudo-reality that supports your personal biases. Your arguments are not even logical now, a bowl presents a greater surface area to water and is a lesser challenge than a narrow glass. Anyone on this site who has ever owned a tower wash knows your statement is an outright lie. But it matters not if you are logical or not in your denigrations, as your words come of your neuroses.
Your modus operandi is to make your opinions seem as facts when they are nothing more than opinions.
Why did you even need to comment on this original post? You got jealous because Bob complemented the GSD 1200 and you can't stand it. If anyone puts out praise for virtually anything but a Whirlpool dishwasher you just can't handle it emotionally. You are an adult, deal with your childish emotional issues on your own time and quit disrespecting others on this site who opinions are differing from yours.
Barry, I will not be bullied by your BS. I did not say anything about pots and pans in the corners of the top rack. I said pots and pans in the corners of the lower rack will block the wash water from getting into glasses in the corners of the top rack, this is simple physics. Something you seem to know little about.
I’m not aware of any whirlpool dishwasher that had a shaded pole main motor. If there is such a dishwasher prove it stop making up Stuff, if I’m wrong, I’ll donate $100 to the union of concern scientist In your name if you like.
Glenn said that this was the second best dishwasher he ever had and it was a great dishwasher. It was one of the best dishwashers of its time, but it still had significant flaws. He now has a Bosch dishwasher, which doesn’t have a silly pop-up tower and holds a lot more and gets things cleaner.
Barry, I’m sorry you’re getting old and your life did not turn out the way you hoped and that some of the appliances you loved are not the most wonderful thing ever made but it’s doing nobody any good to try to look at things through rose colored glasses and try to justify many appliance designs that were discontinued for good reason.
I’m not aware of any whirlpool dishwasher that had a shaded pole main motor. If there is such a dishwasher prove it stop making up Stuff, if I’m wrong, I’ll donate $100 to the union of concern scientist In your name if you like.
Glenn said that this was the second best dishwasher he ever had and it was a great dishwasher. It was one of the best dishwashers of its time, but it still had significant flaws. He now has a Bosch dishwasher, which doesn’t have a silly pop-up tower and holds a lot more and gets things cleaner.
Barry, I’m sorry you’re getting old and your life did not turn out the way you hoped and that some of the appliances you loved are not the most wonderful thing ever made but it’s doing nobody any good to try to look at things through rose colored glasses and try to justify many appliance designs that were discontinued for good reason.
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you are too funny for words
The power tower washes independently of the lower wash arm, John. That's why it is called random loading. Pots in the lower rack have no negative effect on upper rack cleaning. If you don't have enough adult vocabulary to use better words than "silly" you probably should not even be commenting. GE wash tower system was in existence for around sixty years and many times topped the ratings over all other brands. Of course, you know that and so does everyone else.
You show me, and the rest of us, literature that Whirlpool did NOT have shaded pole motors prior to the pfc motors. I don't think you even understand what a shaded pole motor is.
Recall the time I had to post from a GE catalog to show you that GE did produce a porcelain tub dishwasher, after you said they "NEVER" did. Lol
I don't mean to laugh at you, John. Emotional insecurities are no laughing matter. Maybe you feel as if people put you down because you are only an appliance repairman, and this is one site where you feel you can build your ego. First of all, you shouldn't feel that way, we need people in the trades. Secondly, having to put people down to build your ego is a negative way to approach insecurities and doesn't say much for your character.
Most of us on this site do not have a neurosis about a certain brand of dishwasher, as you do on Whirlpool. Most of us only have a mild preference, if at all. People often post things on Shopper's Square, and you come along with your negative comments, unless it's one of your favorite brands. No one is asking your opinion. Your opinions are just your opinions so you shouldn't state them as if they are fact. Often they are conceived out of your biases. Many people on this site have intellect greater than yours and have engineering and mechanical abilities exceeding yours as well. When you attempt to act as if your opinions are superior to theirs you are only making yourself look inferior.
It would be nice if people could post their appliances and state their opinions without John going out on the attack. We should respect each other, and support each other and be able to share without ego conflicts.
The power tower washes independently of the lower wash arm, John. That's why it is called random loading. Pots in the lower rack have no negative effect on upper rack cleaning. If you don't have enough adult vocabulary to use better words than "silly" you probably should not even be commenting. GE wash tower system was in existence for around sixty years and many times topped the ratings over all other brands. Of course, you know that and so does everyone else.
You show me, and the rest of us, literature that Whirlpool did NOT have shaded pole motors prior to the pfc motors. I don't think you even understand what a shaded pole motor is.
Recall the time I had to post from a GE catalog to show you that GE did produce a porcelain tub dishwasher, after you said they "NEVER" did. Lol
I don't mean to laugh at you, John. Emotional insecurities are no laughing matter. Maybe you feel as if people put you down because you are only an appliance repairman, and this is one site where you feel you can build your ego. First of all, you shouldn't feel that way, we need people in the trades. Secondly, having to put people down to build your ego is a negative way to approach insecurities and doesn't say much for your character.
Most of us on this site do not have a neurosis about a certain brand of dishwasher, as you do on Whirlpool. Most of us only have a mild preference, if at all. People often post things on Shopper's Square, and you come along with your negative comments, unless it's one of your favorite brands. No one is asking your opinion. Your opinions are just your opinions so you shouldn't state them as if they are fact. Often they are conceived out of your biases. Many people on this site have intellect greater than yours and have engineering and mechanical abilities exceeding yours as well. When you attempt to act as if your opinions are superior to theirs you are only making yourself look inferior.
It would be nice if people could post their appliances and state their opinions without John going out on the attack. We should respect each other, and support each other and be able to share without ego conflicts.
Barry just keep digging your hole deeper, there was no shaded pole whirlpool dishwasher motors.
Anybody that’s ever seen a lawn sprinkler work knows that water does not change directions twice when it squirts out of a nozzle. Your lack of understanding of physics is just amazing if you think it does.
I will comment on any post that I like if you don’t like it, I suggest you block me.
I am tired of being bullied by your Asinine comments,
Anybody that’s ever seen a lawn sprinkler work knows that water does not change directions twice when it squirts out of a nozzle. Your lack of understanding of physics is just amazing if you think it does.
I will comment on any post that I like if you don’t like it, I suggest you block me.
I am tired of being bullied by your Asinine comments,
reactor
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bullying
Prove it, John.
"Bully" is an appropriate word that should be applied to you and you treatment of others on this site. You may think you are superior to others on this site, but you are not. Not even close. You have no right to continually denigrating others, neither their posts nor their opinions.
Your emotional insecurities may drive you, but you should have enough intellect to override them. When you use this site to be continually negative, denigrate others opinions and use it for self promotion you are going to get called out on it.
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Prove it, John.
"Bully" is an appropriate word that should be applied to you and you treatment of others on this site. You may think you are superior to others on this site, but you are not. Not even close. You have no right to continually denigrating others, neither their posts nor their opinions.
Your emotional insecurities may drive you, but you should have enough intellect to override them. When you use this site to be continually negative, denigrate others opinions and use it for self promotion you are going to get called out on it.
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reactor
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water direction change
You are attempting to use the same wrong argument about water direction to indicate that that a power tower can't wash the upper rack. I'll give you the same answer answer as last time. Water can and does change direction when it hits a surface, it's called 'deflection," John. If you stand in the streams of a water sprinkler you will not only see, but feel the effects of deflection.
Any dishwasher utilizes deflection as you don't have enough jets to hit every part of every dish dead on. You haven't seen the videos of our members impeller machines where plates in the lower rack catch diverse spray angles angles and deflect them upward to the glassware in the top rack? Their videos of the spray action with and without dishes indicate this effect. I suspect you have seen them.
Towers send out sprays through a wide angle, when they hit dishes the sprays are deflected to virtually every surface. For example, when water hits glassware at an oblique angle, it is forced, by deflection, up into the glass. Deflection is occuring continually in all dishwashers, even with wash arms. Now that I have had to teach you Dishwashers 101.... lol.
Your acting ignorant of technical concepts to support your lies only makes you appear laughable to the others on this site. Many of our members have GE tower washes and wash pots in pans in the lower rack, they know their dishes in the upper rack are washed clean regardless of what is in the lower rack. So do you.
You don't seem to be able to communicate without lies, distortions, frequent exaggerations and untrue globalization/generalizations to support your biases. Your self-absorbed behavior and your continual attempts to force your biases and opinions on others is disrespectful to the members of this site.
You are attempting to use the same wrong argument about water direction to indicate that that a power tower can't wash the upper rack. I'll give you the same answer answer as last time. Water can and does change direction when it hits a surface, it's called 'deflection," John. If you stand in the streams of a water sprinkler you will not only see, but feel the effects of deflection.
Any dishwasher utilizes deflection as you don't have enough jets to hit every part of every dish dead on. You haven't seen the videos of our members impeller machines where plates in the lower rack catch diverse spray angles angles and deflect them upward to the glassware in the top rack? Their videos of the spray action with and without dishes indicate this effect. I suspect you have seen them.
Towers send out sprays through a wide angle, when they hit dishes the sprays are deflected to virtually every surface. For example, when water hits glassware at an oblique angle, it is forced, by deflection, up into the glass. Deflection is occuring continually in all dishwashers, even with wash arms. Now that I have had to teach you Dishwashers 101.... lol.
Your acting ignorant of technical concepts to support your lies only makes you appear laughable to the others on this site. Many of our members have GE tower washes and wash pots in pans in the lower rack, they know their dishes in the upper rack are washed clean regardless of what is in the lower rack. So do you.
You don't seem to be able to communicate without lies, distortions, frequent exaggerations and untrue globalization/generalizations to support your biases. Your self-absorbed behavior and your continual attempts to force your biases and opinions on others is disrespectful to the members of this site.
reactor
Well-known member
water direction change
You are attempting to use the same wrong argument about water direction to indicate that that a power tower can't wash the upper rack. I'll give you the same answer answer as last time. Water can and does change direction when it hits a surface, it's called 'deflection," John. If you stand in the streams of a water sprinkler you will not only see, but feel the effects of deflection.
Any dishwasher utilizes deflection as you don't have enough jets to hit every part of every dish dead on. You haven't seen the videos of our members impeller machines where plates in the lower rack catch diverse spray angles angles and deflect them upward to the glassware in the top rack? Their videos of the spray action with and without dishes indicate this effect. I suspect you have seen them.
Towers send out sprays through a wide angle, when they hit dishes the sprays are deflected to virtually every surface. For example, when water hits glassware at an oblique angle, it is forced, by deflection, up into the glass. Deflection is occuring continually in all dishwashers, even with wash arms. Now that I have had to teach you Dishwashers 101.... lol.
Your acting ignorant of technical concepts to support your lies only makes you appear laughable to the others on this site. Many of our members have GE tower washes and wash pots in pans in the lower rack, they know their dishes in the upper rack are washed clean regardless of what is in the lower rack. So do you.
You don't seem to be able to communicate without lies, distortions, frequent exaggerations and untrue globalization/generalizations to support your biases. Your self-absorbed behavior and your continual attempts to force your biases and opinions on others is disrespectful to the members of this site.
You are attempting to use the same wrong argument about water direction to indicate that that a power tower can't wash the upper rack. I'll give you the same answer answer as last time. Water can and does change direction when it hits a surface, it's called 'deflection," John. If you stand in the streams of a water sprinkler you will not only see, but feel the effects of deflection.
Any dishwasher utilizes deflection as you don't have enough jets to hit every part of every dish dead on. You haven't seen the videos of our members impeller machines where plates in the lower rack catch diverse spray angles angles and deflect them upward to the glassware in the top rack? Their videos of the spray action with and without dishes indicate this effect. I suspect you have seen them.
Towers send out sprays through a wide angle, when they hit dishes the sprays are deflected to virtually every surface. For example, when water hits glassware at an oblique angle, it is forced, by deflection, up into the glass. Deflection is occuring continually in all dishwashers, even with wash arms. Now that I have had to teach you Dishwashers 101.... lol.
Your acting ignorant of technical concepts to support your lies only makes you appear laughable to the others on this site. Many of our members have GE tower washes and wash pots in pans in the lower rack, they know their dishes in the upper rack are washed clean regardless of what is in the lower rack. So do you.
You don't seem to be able to communicate without lies, distortions, frequent exaggerations and untrue globalization/generalizations to support your biases. Your self-absorbed behavior and your continual attempts to force your biases and opinions on others is disrespectful to the members of this site.
Wow. Guys!
I will try doing the peanut butter test in my GE 2800 with the bottom rack spray completely blocked from reaching the top rack. As well as taking "before" and "after" photos, I'll also try to record the washing action with my GoPro.
It'll be a couple of weeks till I can do this.
Mark
I will try doing the peanut butter test in my GE 2800 with the bottom rack spray completely blocked from reaching the top rack. As well as taking "before" and "after" photos, I'll also try to record the washing action with my GoPro.
It'll be a couple of weeks till I can do this.
Mark
For the record ...
<blockquote>Combo52 said: "Glenn said that this was the second best dishwasher he ever had and it was a great dishwasher."</blockquote> The statement quoted in Post# 1205704 is presumably incorrectly attributed to me. It's a statement by Appnut/Bob in Post# 1205339.
I have owned one GE dishwasher, for probably not much longer than two days. It was in the house I bought in 2005. I never used it. I immediately swapped it to my previous/sold house for the F&P DishDrawer that I'd installed there in 2003. And yes, I made clear to the RE agent and buyers that the swap would be done. They got a lovely 9-month-old GE instead of a gnasty 2-yo F&P.
I'm still using the F&P. Can't say about the GE, that house has changed owners several more times.
<blockquote>Combo52 said: "Glenn said that this was the second best dishwasher he ever had and it was a great dishwasher."</blockquote> The statement quoted in Post# 1205704 is presumably incorrectly attributed to me. It's a statement by Appnut/Bob in Post# 1205339.
I have owned one GE dishwasher, for probably not much longer than two days. It was in the house I bought in 2005. I never used it. I immediately swapped it to my previous/sold house for the F&P DishDrawer that I'd installed there in 2003. And yes, I made clear to the RE agent and buyers that the swap would be done. They got a lovely 9-month-old GE instead of a gnasty 2-yo F&P.
I'm still using the F&P. Can't say about the GE, that house has changed owners several more times.
Yes, sorry Glenn. I did mean to say Bob, Bob Is our AW expert on getting the maximum load in a dishwasher.
Yay Mark glad you’re gonna test the upper rack cleaning ability of your GE dishwasher. I’ve worked with enough of these machines and customers to know what the result will be, but it would be nice to have an independent additional person show this
Barry don’t worry about proving that whirlpool had a Shaded pole main pump motor in their dishwashers , which of course they never did. In fact, I don’t believe any US Built dishwasher ever had a shaded pole main pump motor. I’m talking about machines built before 1990.
John
Yay Mark glad you’re gonna test the upper rack cleaning ability of your GE dishwasher. I’ve worked with enough of these machines and customers to know what the result will be, but it would be nice to have an independent additional person show this
Barry don’t worry about proving that whirlpool had a Shaded pole main pump motor in their dishwashers , which of course they never did. In fact, I don’t believe any US Built dishwasher ever had a shaded pole main pump motor. I’m talking about machines built before 1990.
John
reactor
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Obviously, you live in a world of your own reality, John. You forget who you are dealing with on this site. Many of our members have intellect that exceeds yours and greater engineering/mechanical skills. Many have GE tower wash dishwashers themselves. They know pots and pans have no effect on the upper rack when placed in the lower rack. That would be evident in the daily loads of virtually every person who ever owned a tower wash. GE would be swamped with complaints and returns. The tower wash lasted 60 years. You don't keep a defective design on the market that long, lol If you are going to disrespect everyone on this site with your lies, you best choose ones that are not so laughably stupid.
It's time you grow up and act as an adult and not a little child who can't emotionally stand someone who disagrees with you.
It's time you grow up and act as an adult and not a little child who can't emotionally stand someone who disagrees with you.
I live in the big world of appliances
I work with appliances every day all day for the last 50 years your occasional visits here always bring ridiculous comments and then you don’t back up your ridiculous statements.
GE was swamped with complaints with wash tower dishwashers. That’s why they denigrated it to the bottom of the line models only and then discontinued it completely, it was always considered a poor way to make a dishwasher serious makers such as Meile Bosch, kitchenAid never did that type of junkie design. It was never considered a good design.
Maytags first two dishwasher designs used the center tower and they ditched themselves. The government didn’t require them to do it. They were just striving for better performance and a better place in the marketplace.
You don’t have any practical experience with the things you like to write about as a hobby and you obviously never worked in the Appliance business.
I am contacted every day by people from AW by email texts and message system asking my advice and praising my opinions. I feel very satisfied in the advice that I give out and the help that I give people getting the best use out of their appliances and help choose replacements when new ones are needed.
I work with appliances every day all day for the last 50 years your occasional visits here always bring ridiculous comments and then you don’t back up your ridiculous statements.
GE was swamped with complaints with wash tower dishwashers. That’s why they denigrated it to the bottom of the line models only and then discontinued it completely, it was always considered a poor way to make a dishwasher serious makers such as Meile Bosch, kitchenAid never did that type of junkie design. It was never considered a good design.
Maytags first two dishwasher designs used the center tower and they ditched themselves. The government didn’t require them to do it. They were just striving for better performance and a better place in the marketplace.
You don’t have any practical experience with the things you like to write about as a hobby and you obviously never worked in the Appliance business.
I am contacted every day by people from AW by email texts and message system asking my advice and praising my opinions. I feel very satisfied in the advice that I give out and the help that I give people getting the best use out of their appliances and help choose replacements when new ones are needed.
