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I was just wondering how you guys feel about all of these green cleaners and stuff that are on the market today? The newspaper ads were full of them for green week. Do you feel that these products are actually worth anything or do you think the whole green fad is a waste of time.
 
Green is a ficle definition.

Some natural things, or at least relatively harmless things, have been around for a long long time. Examples include: real soap, borax, baking soda, vinegar, ammonia, and bleach (don't mix with the previous two). Mix a little vinegar and baking soda and go to town on polishing chrome!

Many new products that claim to be green don't perform well. I think more needs to be said of new green products that do function. Also, some of these older products, which are cheap, simple, and effective, need to get some attention too.

Just a thought,
Dave
 
I only use chemicals as a last resort. I have had excellent results using green products for everything except dishwasher detergent. The "greenies" have a long way to go in order to catch up and perform equally with the chemical laden detergent.
 
Going Green has become trendy...

And that's the reason I don't participate. EVERYBODY is shoving their 'green' product in your face. Whether it be cleaning products, appliances, or cars. It's the over-saturation of 'Going Green' that drives me away.

Honestly, it's a big waste. Sure, you can use Seventh Generation brand laundry detergent....if you enjoy soiled clothes. Sure you can use new formula Cascade....if you want to wash your dishes twice or thrice.

Give me incandescent bulbs, bleach, phosphate and harsh chemicals any day.

~Tim
 
LOL going green

I use the original Lysol concentrated disinfectant. It has the 1950's hour-glass looking bottle. It smells like antiseptic. Nobody likes it but me. But I figure if it is giving me a headache Imagine what it is doing to the germs! (that should be a slogan). But I digress, with the Lysol, I feel that my bathroom is clean.

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I LOVE the brown Lysol!!!

You can also use a soft cloth with ammonia and chalk to polish copper and brass.

As lots of people said....Green don't clean. I see it every day and charge people to tell them that. They go buy these fancy low water use/ low energy machines and feel the need to use the 'green' cleaners. Dirt, oils and minerals build up and ruin the machine. It's either beyond repair or too costly to repair. So throw it out and buy a new one. How is that being 'green'?
Clothes are greasy, towels smell nasty, dishes you wouldn't want to eat off of, etc.

When they can actually make a true 100% non petroleum based, natural cleaner that works as well as it's counterpart, I will switch. Until then I don't have the time to wash or clean anything 3 times in a row nor do I have the money to buy three times as much 'green' cleaners or replace machines because of early failure.

Bleach, Tide, Cascade, Dawn and Scrubbing bubbles for all!!
 
That a boy, Bugsy!!

Give me the oldies but goodies too! Let's try to help the environment, but let's not get carried away. Sometimes in an effort to do good, we get carried away!
 
I think that this "Going Green" is the biggest scam perpetrated with the only green is the green going into Al Gore's pocket.
Oxyclean does not work.
Nothing like Mexican detergents with phosphates, real chlorine bleach, etc.
And if Cap and Trade passes, we will see tremendous hikes in our electric bills for openers. Are that many people willing to slit their own throats?

Ross
 
Scaring the public for profit

I think most stuff can be cleaned with ordinary dish soap and water. Remember in the old days before Consumer Reports became yet another corporate tool, they used to include formulas(ae) for home-made window cleaner, floor cleaners, etc.? Some of them were pretty good and usually included things like ammonia, white vinegar, etc. Many of the harshest cleaners are "natural" compounds like oven cleaner(lye) and ammonia and even(stretching it) Chlorine bleach. Problem is, if they're not used very carefully they will do extreme damage to the user and the environment. I love using ammonia but I know I've already done some damage to my lungs from having breathed in a lot of the stuff and I'm not talking about mixing it with Clorox; that stupid I'm not.

We are being jerked around by Madison Avenue. One year we're being warned to DISINFECT everything around us because marauding germs are out there just waiting to kill us with necrotizing fascitis. Then Mr. Johnson comes out with commercials where he's Julie Andrews in the Sound of Music telling us how all of his families' products have always had a green hue to them. Just when I grew to love "NO DRIP WINDEX"(really was a great product) they pull it from the shelves because it ain't green enough.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm so tempted to pee in all of those Purell containers that are popping up everywhere. It's a field day for neurotics.
 
Oxyclean does not work.

I thought I WAS the ONLY on that thought so.. I have NEVER been able to get it to work at all.
 
Oxyclean

There is only a very narrow temp window in which Oxy bleaches reach true effectiveness. I don't remember the temps off my the top of my head but I know it's above something like 143 and below 170. Not very many americans have water that hot. And oddly enough the manufacturer doesn't tell you this......
 
Most will work @ 140 to 160

wich I have pleanty of but have never been able to get Oxyclean to work at all.. But Amway all fabric bleach works quite well@ 140 and All fabric bleach sold at Albertsons HOMELIFE Bleach works well too. Really like it on patient gowns with x ray developer get them CLEAN the 1st time. It is very much like the old Snowy bleach and smells the same too.
 
I use Chloralex bleach from Mexico. It is the Mexican version of Chlorox and it works great. Some of my friends have brought over their dingy gray or yellowed whites and with just one washing
in hot water, bleach, bluing, and Viva detergent from Mexico, they can see a difference.
It has occurred to me that with the "efficient" Whirlpool Duet that I use, the clothes are wet but are they really clean?
I like the Duet for king size comforters but there is hardly any water to be seen.
With all the rain in some parts of the country, are we really running short of water?
As I said before, I think there is a lot of hipe and propaganda designed to scam people into believing things that are just not true. It just means that people need to take some time to research and get the facts.

Ross
 
white vinegar and baking soda

Can clean most things around the house.
I'm a convert to vinegar-based window cleaner, vs. ammonia based.
Murphy's oil soap is simple and biodegradable and I've used it for a lot of things.
For me its not so much the green-ess, but the fumes and the smells. I used to clean a lot with ammonia, but no more, and I don't let things get so filthy that something that harsh is necessary.
Finish and the normal cycle on my UltraWash works just fine.
 
westlandyfront,

I agree on the "scam" idea. I agree totally. Let's have a head about these things. If the "green" don't work, why buy it? Especially since it is more expensive! But here in Washington State, we are all about GREEN. It is pitifull. People will throw there money away becauses it "feels good". It doesn't do any good when you have to use more water, utilities, and etc. etc. to do the same job as you did with the standard products.
 
Hi Whiteking. In this current economic situation, people need to re-think throwing their money away just to feel good.
Investigate, research, and get the facts first. I think too many people are willing to be lead and deceived by all the media hipe.
Cap and Trade is coming and it will certainly mean higher utility bills as the utility companies will be charged for carbon emissions as they produce electricity. Of course, the utility companies will pass those charges along to the consumer.

Ross
 
Here is what I think of "Green"

The lawn service that would apply poisons to my lawn was called " ChemLawn." They renamed themselves "TruGreen."
What a hot crock of shit that was. The state-mandated list of warnings read like a thick text-book, in both cases.

I got rid of that service and Guido from Italy who speaka-no -iiiiinglish-a did a better job for less money and applies far fewer chemicals and what he does use is COUGH* "greener!"

Can you say "hot marketing buzz-word at the moment?"

The greenest thing on the planet it shut you legs and push out one fewer baby! And/or teach the ones that already fell out to be less demaning of the earth!
 
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And don't forget, when your done cleaning your toilet and floors with good old fashioned Lysol, it also makes a wonderful douche also. Helps fight those unpleasant "female odors" that make men shy away from you. Just ask any woman who was a newlywed in the 1920's & 1930's.
 
I tried the Seventh Generation laundry detergent and was not impressed. Cleaning was so-so, and the laundry had a strange "dirty water" smell when it came out. I promptly went back to Sears detergent.
 
And here is another good one...

I noticed a lot of time if we stop at Walmart while standing in line SOMEBODY nearby has "feminine odor". It burns my eyes and my nose to say the least. I keep telling Karen that I'm going to grab a bottle of Summer's Eve and hand it to the next offender with a "Here, USE IT!" admonishment! She just laughs.
Last time it happened I asked her in a loud voice "Honey, DO YOU SMELL SOMETHING?" She almost slapped the crap out of me!

But I would imagine using Lysol for this purpose would probably burn like hell!

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Lysol For "Feminine" Odour

Yes, folks tis true! Over the years have posted several links to various adverts similar to the above. Phenol (carbolic) is a very toxic substance, so cannot imagine how many women developed all sorts of problems and perhaps died from using Lysol "down there".

Oxygen Bleach:

While sodium perborate requires temperatures >120F and even 140F or more to get going, sodium percarbonate works quite well in water temps of 120F to even 100F, contact time may have to be exteneded, but it will whiten, remove stains, and sanitise.

As have also stated before, many oxygen bleaches are "activated" (NOBS or TAED), which will make their sweet spots between 100F and 120F. Bleach activators were invented to get around the problem fewer laundries and housewives were boil washing, and or the items being laundered couldn't withstand high wash temperatures such as colours or delicate items, but required stain removal, whitening, brightening and sanitation that oxygen bleach provides.

The term "colour safe bleach" came about because at the normal wash temperatures for colours (warm water about 110F down to 100F", the bleaching action of sodium perborate is less active, thus less likely to damage colours. Even when activated or sodium percarbonate bleaches one is advised not to exceed "warm" water because with every increase of ten degrees in water temp, the bleaching action goes up dramatically.

Being as all this may, most over the counter "oxygen bleaches" are blended with fillers such as sodium carbonate (washing soda). Now some washing soda is good for all oxygen bleaches as the alkalinity increases the effectivness of the product. However most detergents contain more than enough washing soda and or borax to get the job done. I always purchase pure sodium percarbonate from Ecover, and dose accordingly. Oxi-Clean is about 50% or more washing soda, which is why those little tubs feel so heavy.

Biz was the original activated oxgyen bleach sold in the USA, though at first it was marketed as a "pre-soak". Many of the patents and developments from Biz, P&G put into "Tide with Bleach".

Green Cleaners:

They do have their place, such as vinegar and various other things, but find most of the offerings on the shelves aren't that great. Exceptions are things by Caldrea, Mrs. Meyers and perhaps a few others.

Most of the laundry detergents called "green" are either full of washing soda, Zeolites, powdered soap or SLS (powders), the the liquids are either mainly liquid soaps or SLS, with perhaps some enzymes thrown in. All that soap probably accounts for why washers end up foul and full of mould.

But hey, Fel's Naptha is a "natural soap", I mean petrol is found naturally in nature right? But I for one wouldn't want to be exposed to the stuff on a daily basis for cleaning.
 
I have tried various "green" cleaning products. To date, for the most part, I've been satisfied.

No, they probably aren't as powerful as conventional cleaners. I certainly have noticed this with dish detergent (for hand washing dishes). Green dish detergent isn't as good with cutting grease. However, the best green cleaners work well enough for my needs--although I don't usually have torture cleaning assignments for my cleaners.

The least satisfactory products I've used--either lousy performance or overpriced--come from companies that historically made "regular" cleaners.

But there are some things I have liked. Green dish detergent is my first choice, simply because it's easier on my hands than regular dish detergent. Plus the scent options are better--unscented is easy to come by, and the scented formulas don't have a scent that is neither harsh, over powering, nor clearly fake.

With laundry detergent, I like the fact that I can easily get green detergent in powder form--I prefer powder detergent. No green detergent to date has bothered my skin, unlike some conventional products. And it can be bought unscented. (The absolute worst laundry detergent ever used was some Tide liquid. X2, I think. It was entirely because of the scent--the stench was so overpowering that the clothes were unwearable.)

The real question, it seems to me, isn't whether green detergents are good enough. The real question is: what are my needs, and what is the best product to meet those needs? The answer to that question varies person to person. It has even varied at different periods in my life.
 
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