Haiers new Fisher and Paykel top loader

[mattywashboy]

Hey all,

Long time no post from me but I just wanted to duck back in with some info and a video on the new Haier made Fisher and Paykel top loaders here in Australia.

These machines are just rebadged and restyled Haier machines with a couple of adjustments to make them more unique. One of those being dispensers added to the left and right top side of the wash deck to resemble the dispenser design of previous Aquasmart models.

The maximum spin speed has been reduced to 750rpm.

Also the full flume has been designed to emulate F&P’s traditional design that sprays over multiple angles over the load.

The programming however is very much Haier with added spray/soaking rinses as well as deep water rinses.

The positives sadly end here as for some reason Haier has decided that interim spin speeds need to only be about 300rpm which doesn’t sufficiently extract the water and suds from the clothes. They have also decided that the rinse agitation needs to be extremely gentle and doesn’t actually agitate the clothes sufficiently (in my opinion).

The final spin is long and mucks around unnecessarily. It could just spin slowly for a minute to extract the bulk of the water and then spin up to the maximum spin speed but instead it takes a long time get to maximum speed and then dips and rises through the spin for some reason.

So although the wash agitation is decent and the auto sensing water level seems accurate, the machine lacks proper rinsing and I personally would always use Rinse + .

It’s a real shame that Fishy has taken this path for their top loaders. The Haier made fishy front loaders are amazing and some of the best selling machines here in Australia currently. Maybe they believe that top loaders are losing their popularity so there’s no reason to put money into engineering anything too unique.

Anyway enough of me waffling along. Please see the link for a video of the Sheets cycle. More videos will be added to my channel of this machine before it gets sold on.

Have a great holiday season everyone!

 

[simpsomatic]

Thanks for sharing. Does the load ever get wet? Imagine a load of diapers.....

 

[DADoES]

The positives sadly end here as for some reason Haier has decided that interim spin speeds need to only be about 300rpm which doesn’t sufficiently extract the water and suds from the clothes.

Both of my AquaSmarts run the interim spin(s) at 300 RPM on all cycles ... with sprays at stir/Eco Active speed (25 RPM?).

 

[mattywashboy]

Both of my AquaSmarts run the interim spin(s) at 300 RPM on all cycles ... with sprays at stir/Eco Active speed (25 RPM?).

Hi Glenn,
It’s definitely lower than the aquasmarts as I see it so maybe 200rpm. Could just be my eye tho, doesn’t seem fast enough to spin out the water properly.

 

[henene4]

Pulse spinning - so going to max speed, back down and back up - does improve extraction and especially extraction evenes.

Basic idea is that at sufficient speed, forces are so extreme that the wicking effect of water through fibres does not quite work anymore.
That means that some areas where forces are higher (more laundry stacked on top of each other) or areas where water can get out easier (aka any area right above holes) do end up slightly drier than those other areas.
Slowing down and ramping back up allows the water to spread out a bit again followed by full extraction force.
The effect isn't big - but some EU machines do that on their final spins.


But overall this really is a step back.
But I guess as mentioned, many now use FLs. Putting big money into the TLs probably isn't economically viable anymore.
Though F&Ps TLs never struck me as very expensive designs. Only one pump, no mode shifter, no fancy suspension.
Most of their performance really came down to outstanding programming. And seeing these rinses, that machine just does not live up to that name...


What a shame!

 

[phillymatt53]

Hey all,

Long time no post from me but I just wanted to duck back in with some info and a video on the new Haier made Fisher and Paykel top loaders here in Australia.

These machines are just rebadged and restyled Haier machines with a couple of adjustments to make them more unique. One of those being dispensers added to the left and right top side of the wash deck to resemble the dispenser design of previous Aquasmart models.

The maximum spin speed has been reduced to 750rpm.

Also the full flume has been designed to emulate F&P’s traditional design that sprays over multiple angles over the load.

The programming however is very much Haier with added spray/soaking rinses as well as deep water rinses.

The positives sadly end here as for some reason Haier has decided that interim spin speeds need to only be about 300rpm which doesn’t sufficiently extract the water and suds from the clothes. They have also decided that the rinse agitation needs to be extremely gentle and doesn’t actually agitate the clothes sufficiently (in my opinion).

The final spin is long and mucks around unnecessarily. It could just spin slowly for a minute to extract the bulk of the water and then spin up to the maximum spin speed but instead it takes a long time get to maximum speed and then dips and rises through the spin for some reason.

So although the wash agitation is decent and the auto sensing water level seems accurate, the machine lacks proper rinsing and I personally would always use Rinse + .

It’s a real shame that Fishy has taken this path for their top loaders. The Haier made fishy front loaders are amazing and some of the best selling machines here in Australia currently. Maybe they believe that top loaders are losing their popularity so there’s no reason to put money into engineering anything too unique.

Anyway enough of me waffling along. Please see the link for a video of the Sheets cycle. More videos will be added to my channel of this machine before it gets sold on.

Have a great holiday season everyone!

Watching that machine video in action.......WHAT!....in the HELL!..... is that thing???
That's not a washing machine!
That thing's some kind of a joke!
And people would actually invest their money in such a PATHETIC contraption like that?

It doesn't even fill with enough water to allow those sheets to be washed properly.
No "turnover", just some sluggish back-and-forth dancing that makes me vomit.

Even those other brands of toploads here in the USA with those stupid "plates" on the bottom instead of a traditional agitator sicken me.