Hello Again, and well.......

[twintubber]

So, I've been away for awhile. But I just can't stay away from this amazing site.
And have been trying so hard to get over the shock and disappointment of losing out on that KitchenAid. I'm STILL beating myself up for it and it's been 6 months!
Although, in trying to make myself feel better these days, I just remind myself that it was the SELLER who screwed it up in the end, and not me. I just feel I could have done better to get it sooner.
But I'm digressing.......
In coming back on here in the last few days, and especially today, I decided to go back to the hunt for a KA.
Well......maybe it's true that sometimes we have to wait, &/or suffer, &/or ?????
I didn't find one (possible) score, but TWO! And if the first one isn't amazing enough, the second one is gonna make you all drool.
And I am NOT going to get my hopes up at all until I know I have paid and picked them up!!! No dreaming and hoping this time.
The first item was just posted two weeks ago so good odds it's still available.
The other was posted a month ago, so I guess if it's still listed, then it's still available.
The price is right on BOTH but the second one is a great price for what it is.
Interestingly enough, this would have been my two models of choice to have all along for the differences in both of the machines. And the control panel on the first one is awesome.
Pics are attached, unfortunately there is only one pic of the first machine though.
Enjoy and everyone PLEASE......
Wish me luck!

P.S.-Glad to be back and reading about your stories and adventures.
You all inspire me and comfort me.
Thanks

 

[hippiedoll]

welcome back...

Twintubber/scott!
Wishing you the best of luck on both kitchen aides!
Keeping my fingers crossed for you & sending positive vibes your way...

;o)

 

[chachp]

I love the machine in the first picture!

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva;">But I worry about the SS controls.  Aren't those nearly impossible to find if they go out or have I been staying away from them for the wrong reasons?</span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva;">Now that 19?? with the stainless panels is a beauty.  Parts for those are all over eBay and many folks on this site are eager to help with replacement parts as well.  That one gets my vote if it is still available.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva;">Don't get me wrong I'd LOVE to have the machine with the Solid State controls in the first picture but at the same time I want machines that I know I can keep running for years to come.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva;">Good luck getting a machine!!</span>

 

[stevet]

Go, for Broke!

Not a really hard decision to make here.. GET THEM BOTH!!
Install the Selectra and when it finally dies, install the 19!

As Ralph has mentioned, the Selectra's were prone to circuit board failures, but this seems to be a later version than the Hobart built boards and according to John L, the WP built ones were a bit more dependable.

However, none of these are available to serve as service replacements. So when they crap out, you are out of luck unless by some miracle you can find a replacement.
I have always searched for one of these just for the conversational value and the high tech look of it which makes it as contemporary today as it was when they were readily available.

The 19 is a great dishwasher but be mindful that it does not have the heated drying system and dries by means of the residual heat of the dishware inside the machine. I wold double insulate the tank, top, sides and bottom if you can to keep more of the heat inside the tank. K/A strongly recommended that it not be installed on a cold outside wall as well. Stupid thoughts on their part as most people will not rearrange their kitchens to achieve better drying results. Just use a good detergent and Rinse agent is a must on this series of machines.

And if you do get both machines, you will have many interchangeable spare parts for either of them like the racks and water valves and rinse/detergent dispensers.

 

[twintubber]

Hi hippiedoll! Thanks for the welcome and the well wishes for me.

Hi chachp! I agree with everything you said and would definitely worry a bit about the SS controls. But that's a risk one takes for such a beauty of a machine. As you said, it still looks modern enough and the SS controls make it look even more advanced for it's time and would be a fine addition to any modern kitchen. And fun to use I'm sure.

Hi stevet! I was going to get them both. And I would have too. But the message came in this morning that the SS controls model is gone. Oh well.....
It's the SS front paneled one that I REALLY want. The true, classic Hobart made "Hurricane-in-a-Box" machine.
But, I thought it was a KDS20. How are you and chachp able to tell it's a 19 and not a 20?
And thanks for the tip about the drying.
I had hoped to have that feature since KA was the only company that ever got fan drying correct by sanitizing the air BEFORE it went into the chamber with the freshly sanitized dishware.
I hope it's there. And get this, it's being sold from the world famous Fairmont Royal York Hotel. That's the Royal Families' "Home-Away-From-Home" when they are in Toronto. Maybe it was used for or even by Royalty to clean the crystal glasses and fine china? Pha Pha!
Just made arrangements a few minutes ago to go see another one this week, but much more of a modern KA.
But a reasonable price, even if it is a white panel and controls and a full WP made machine.
And a NEVER USED portable Inglis (Whirlpool) from about mid-eighties.
I'm tryin' and I'm gonna get me one of these KA's very soon!!!!!

 

[twintubber]

And if THAT"S not enough.....

My dream would be to have a KitchenAid KDS20 as my primary machine and a Maytag RR machine as my secondary machine.
Well.....look what I just found posted 22 hours ago.
And only $45.00 dollars at that!

 

[chachp]

Difference between 19 and 20

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">I used to get them confused all the time and truth be told if you hadn't posted a close up of the buttons I would likely not have known.  I have a 20 and mine is an Energy Saver V.  The one you posted is a IV and the cycles are a little different.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Steve is the real expert, he may have known by just looking at a picture of the front of the machine (you know that full frontal) but I would need to see a close up of the buttons.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Love the RR machines as well.  Get the KA and RR then you can switch them out or install both!!</span>

 

[twintubber]

Two more-both FREE!!!

Ok, not KA's, but very nice Kenmore's.
Especially for free.

 

[chachp]

Focus!!

LOL.

 

[twintubber]

I know, they're EVERYWHERE!!!!!

So here's the update.
The best of it all is happening so far.
I'm off to look at the Maytag in about an hour.
He's going to show it to me although it is not hooked up. But he will hold it for me until I can pick it up this weekend.
And I JUST heard from the seller of the SS paneled KitchenAid.
I can go and look at it any night this week. I just replied and asked as well if they can hold it until the weekend if I come and pay for it first.
Sounds like it's working out so far, the two machines I've wanted for a long time both coming in on the same day (possibly). WOW-"Dishwasher Heaven"!!!
Not gonna get TOO excited though, last time I suffered for doing that.
But I'm confidant this will work out.
Of course it'll sound like a Hurricane AND a tornado ripping through my kitchen when both of those vicious washing machines are operating at the same time.
I'll just crank some Jimmy Buffet and have a cheeseburger with a margherita while their doing the dirty work.
Oh, the Maytag is $45.00. The KitchenAid is $75.00.
If I pay full price for both of them then that's not a bad deal for $120.00
P.S.-the white WP style KitchenAid is available for me as well and so is the never used Inglis. All have offered to show me the machines in the next few days.
Phew!!!!!

 

[barcoboy]

Welcome back Twintubber... good to see you again.

I believe, and someone will correct me if I am wrong, is that the way you can tell it's a 19 is that it was the only model to not have the heated dry as stevet mentioned... KA brought it back with the 20 series. So the "No Heat Dry" cycle indicator light, plus the lack of an "Energy Saver" button, is a sure giveaway.

I do prefer the 19 over an 18 for one reason... the longer upper wash arm. The 18's upper wash arm is shorter and doesn't get to the back of the rack. Of course it's not a real problem with the 1/2 HP motor and pump pushing your water around, and the option is always there to swap out an upper rack from a higher model into an 18. I very rarely use heated dry on my 18, but the other thing that disappeared with the 19 never to return again on a Hobart KA is the constant rinse arm. That I think I would miss if I were to jump up to a 19.

Best of luck in getting your KA!

 

[hippiedoll]

Still sending them positive vibes your way & keeping my fingers crossed for you too!!

;o)

I'm getting excited for you on this side of the computer. Hope you hey the stainless steel one. I like the look of that one! Keep us posted...

 

[twintubber]

So far it's all a done deal.

I think your well wishes and positive vibes are working for me, hippiedoll-THANKS!!!
I didn't get out to see the Maytag today cause the location wasn't where it was listed in the ad. Nor was the KitchenAid.
But, both sellers will wait for me to come by tomorrow or Wed. to view and pay. Then I have a person set to pick them both up and deliver them to me for $90.00.
If I pay full asking price for the machines and the delivery that's a total of $210.00. Not a bad deal for what I'm getting, I think.
Then I can sell-off both of my Bosch's and get finally get rid of them.
I think I noticed in the pics that the KA has no silverware basket, just the small items basket. I may ask for a few dollars less for it due to that part missing.

Hey barcoboy! Good to hear from you! Thanks for the kind words. Although it is disappointing that the one model I find has a one-time "flaw" from the manufacturer. At least for me a heated dry is my least worried about feature since I never use a heat dry anyway. But it would be nice to have it there if I ever did. Sigh.......
I had the model you speak of briefly when I lived in Vancouver many years ago. I hated that thing so much. It never cleaned well and that short upper spray-arm was a definite drawback. Looking back though, I wonder if it just needed a good cleaning and overhaul to get it working properly again. And I definitely agree about the constant rinse being discontinued after that model and what a poor decision I thought that was. Especially since top spray was being incorporated into more and more machines around that time. Since I had had recent experience with the Maytag RR system in the rental before, I learned to love that machine and system so much.

Anyway, if all works out and I do get them both, the KA will be for the pots/pans, casseroles, and everyday dishes glasses and silverware. The Maytag will be devoted mainly to Tupperware as that is how I have both both machines currently set-up.
I'm giddy but not getting to excited still. Never know what COULD happen!
:O

 

[twintubber]

And the story is.....

I bought the KitchenAid yesterday. What a score!!!
This baby has seen very little use and if it did see much use, it was very well cared for.
I was told by the owners that they had bought the house about a year ago and everything in it was immaculate.
One thing I can say about working on appliances, and I'm sure many or most of you would agree, that dishwashers are one of the most disgusting appliances to work on. All that caked on crud and food spillage buildup on the exterior, (controls, handles, gaskets, door seals, balancing springs, etc.), but this baby is sooooo clean. Even underneath there is NO gunk build up, no muck in the corners of the door or in the seals, no "film" on the exterior or even on or around the motor. It is literally almost showroom new. The stainless steel front looks very impressive on this machine and I got it for a steal. Because it is missing the silverware basket, (something I noticed in the pictures they provided), I was able to get it for $60.00. It's in such great shape that it's pretty much "plug-&-play" when I get it delivered. It just needs some dusting off of the cobwebs underneath the unit and a very light wiping down with some vinegar and it's ready to use!
Woo Hoo!!!!!
Can't believe I FINALLY got a genuine Hobart KitchenAid
It definitely is the KDS-19 model and not the 20.
For those of you who know, perhaps one could tell me the date of manufacture?
Model=KDS-19C
Spec=27419
Serial=99-506934
The people were really nice and although wished they could have kept and used it themselves, (they renovated and only had room for an 18" after that), they were both absolutely thrilled that it was going to a collector who would use it and appreciate it for it's value. They very much KNEW what they had and were parting with and did not want to see it end up in a dump or used for scrap.
As for the Maytag, well........it's pretty nasty inside.
Still installed in a house to be reno'd starting next week with no power so I couldn't test it. An absolute BOL model, but that's ok in a Maytag RR system.
It's got a film on a lot of the interior, which I'm hoping is just calcium that can be cleaned with a cycle of CLR run through it. The racks though, look like somebody splattered hair dye all over them and is rather ugly looking. But it's in good condition otherwise, and is definitely a belt-drive, (yay!), albeit a later model of the belt-drive as the lower rack configuration verifies.
The problem though, is that I have to go back there today to uninstall it myself, and then have it picked up tomorrow or Sunday. And he's only lowering the price by $5.00 even though I'm providing the labour.
I don't mind though and I will take the machine because it's only $40.00 now and I can have it as a project to work on and get fixed up and cleaned up and hopefully running smoothly.
Model=WU203
Serial=650205 TL
So, in all, both machines cost me a total of $100.00-(tax included!) The delivery charge at this point has been flat-rated at $90.00. Not a bad investment I'd say.
Thanks again to ALL of you for your words and well wishes in my endeavour to get these items.
I have been waiting for GOOD classic dishwashers to come along for a very long time now.
I can't WAIT to finally get rid of both of my Bosch's!

Oh, the Maytag seller's house is empty (had to wait for him to arrive). Told me I could look around and take whatever I wanted. So I asked about a washer & dryer. "Of course", he said and as we were going down to the basement he said, "They are old too, though".
I replied that I expected that. And sure enough..........
A roughly 1980 model Maytag in White and an 1975-77 GE Medallion dryer in Spanish Avocado.
Wish I could have a full-sized top-loader in my apt, cause I'd take that washer no problem.
Gonna ask a Friend if she wants it even though she will protest she doesn't need a new washer-until I convince her a Maytag is an investment.
And he wants $150.00 for the set. A bit much, but things are negotiable. If I even need to deal with the washer at all.
Enough of my rambling.
Have to get going soon to uninstall the machine then some and shopping after that.
Have a great day all!!!

 

[chachp]

It look like around 1979 - 1981

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Others may have more exact dates.  Congrats on your finds.  Can't wait to see more pictures.</span>

 

[twintubber]

Thanks chachp

I had a feeling this model was between 1977-81, based on the #'s I was given when I was going to get the KDS-20C last November. So I was pretty close.
Here's a few pics I took of it, but I have only 2 pics of the Maytag's Model/Serial tag.
I did take pics of the washer & dryer though, so I'll post those for you all as well.
The Maytag dishwasher is gonna be a lot of work. It's really filthy. The opposite of the KA. Which is good in one way, at least ONE gets to go in and used right away until I can work on the other one, rather than having TWO messy machines to have to deal with.
And either there was a mouse problem in the past, or since the house has been empty there has been some cause there was a fair bit of mice dropping on top of the machine when I pulled it out. I sure hope it can be rescued cause the price was ok for it.
I'll keep you all posted on it's progress, of course.
They should be able to be picked up and delivered on Sunday.

 

[twintubber]

And lurking in the basement.....

It was very dark down there, so the flash had to do most of the work.

 

[barcoboy]

Nice pics!

If you really want to add the heated dry to your 19, I believe it can be done. Stevet is the man that can tell you for sure, but I think I remember reading here somewhere about somebody who did so.

Make sure that your water is hot, that the dishwasher fills to the correct level, and keep the filter mesh clean. Your "new" hurricane in a box will not disappoint.

Congrats again!

 

[hippiedoll]

CONGRATULATIONS

Twintubber/Scott!!
I'm so happy for you that you finally got the dishwasher you have been wanting & looking for!
There's nothing to compare that feeling of accomplishment, when you finally get the machine you've been really wanting.

Again, I'm so happy for you.
WOOOOHOOOO!!!

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