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I messed about with a few more arrangements including extending the peninsula from the wall with the sink. I think I’m sticking with the last lay out. I’ve been using Adobe Sketch with my iPad and Apple Pencil. It’s a lot of fun. Here are a couple of drawings.

Sarah

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Sarah

I really must applaud your effort and commitment to this project, it is shaping up really well. I am really pleased to have been of some help in getting to the best solution for you.

I know I suggested putting an appliance in front of the window but from your drawings I can see why you would not want to do so. I don't know the height of the window from the floor but is there enough height to perhaps build a window seat under it? Apart from having somewhere to sit, and it could provide extra storage too and, with a small, fold-up table (stored elsewhere when not in use), it could also be a spot to work with your laptop or even a for a light meal for one or two persons - just an idea.

Don't forget, when attending to the insulation of the walls, to ensure that there are sufficient wall studs and cross members in the correct position to support the weight of the wall fridge as it will have to be screwed into these. It would be simple to do it at the same time as the insulation.

I can see how the wall cupboard over your peninsula is completely appropriate to the age of the kitchen but I would re-consider having it as it would obscure the vista over to the window (to left of oven) which I think, from your drawings could be very attractive, it may make the kitchen look less spacious and could lead to a sort of tunnel effect in front of the Americana.

If you have room, the cupboard to the right of the Oven sounds great as do the shelves - with one proviso - will they go right up to the kitchen window over the sink? or will there still be a little bit of room in either side. I mention this because, if you plan to have curtains at the window will there be enough space to pull them back over the wall so that as much as possible of the window as possible is clear when they are pulled back? This also helps give an illusion of the room looking wider. Finally, if used for display, their proximity to the sink (and steamy water) may mean that they, plus whatever is on them, will need frequent washing.

I am sorry, but it is time for a reality check on one item.

I referred to taking the combo out of the peninsula so as to avoid "fixing" the design (and more correctly the finished kitchen) on it. My suggestion (which i see from your drawings is not appropriate) of putting it in front of the window was so that when it goes wrong, as it almost certainly will, it could be easily replaced, even with a top loader. Well this holds equally good if it is to the left of the cook top. Of all the kitchen appliances I would say the washer is most complex - mostly because it has to cope with heavy, water saturated items as it goes into its spin. Add to this that it must be getting on for 60 years old, if not older, and it was not even a mainstream product when it was new! So parts are going to be even harder to find than say for a Maytag or Kenmore top loader

Had your layout accommodated a top loader I could have seen past it as there are still many around which would have looked fine, even if they were a bit younger. Do you even know if it works? You may be several hundred dollars into parts and labour if not, if you can even get the parts. Not to mention what hauling it in and out would do to your lovely floor.

I know you love it, but frankly you would be crazy to incorporate it within any of the runs of cabinets for if it goes wrong and cannot be fixed you will be stuck with a hole that you might not be able to fill easily. So, I would leave it out of your kitchen scheme entirely and replace it with a cabinet which will give you more useful storage by the cook top too.

Is there anywhere where you could build a large closet (longish and deep enough to accommodate a washer and dryer and possibly awkward things like ironing boards, upright vacuums, mops & brooms) or even take a corner to make a separate laundry room - it could even be vintage too, it sounds like you have enough cabinets - which might be laid out so that if the combo reaches a point it cannot be repaired it can be replaced without having to pull the whole thing apart. Frankly, if this is your only laundry appliance, then I would invest in new ones which will likely last a great deal longer and can be repaired if necessary.

I am sorry to close on such a negative note but I really feel it has to be done. You are spending a lot of time, effort and money on a kitchen that will look absolutely wonderful and, at the rate you are going, breathtaking. I am really looking forward to seeing this project progress to, what i am sure will be, a magnificent conclusion.

Best wishes

Al
 
Window seat!

Al, that's brilliant!

I've 18" high, 54" long and 15" deep that can easily become 18." I love the idea, and I've always wanted a window seat. I had one once, in a house we lived in for about a year and loved it.

Thank you very much for the advice about the curved glass shelves. You are absolutely right. I haven't thought about curtains, but I have considered a valance. I will probably also have roller shades on the windows.

Regarding the combo. Yes, I already know that it is utter madness! I've been trying to talk some sense into myself for months. If I don't succeed, the good news is that it's 30" wide and can be replaced by a standard cabinet. It was designed as an under counter component of the GE Wonder Kitchen. The better news is that, if I cannot talk myself out of it, I'm getting the combo from John L. (combo52). I know it will be in excellent working condition. It won't be my primary washer. I have a stacked unit that will be in a bathroom nook with the hot water heater. There's also a broom closet in that bath. Not incredibly practical but it worked for my grandmother for almost 70 years.

So, it's nuts that I am thinking of giving up 30" of kitchen cabinet space for a machine I may not use regularly. The thing is, I like it. I like it a lot. That's also why I'm going to have two refrigerators. I like both of them. I like them a lot. I belong to this group because y'all get it.

Regarding the cabinets over the peninsula, it doesn't show in the drawing, but my plan has been to use 18" short upper cabinets over the peninsula with a glass shelf underneath for drink ware. Now that you've drawn my attention to it, I see how closed in it looks. I'm definitely going to ditch the curved shelves at the end of the upper cabinet. I will think about the rest. If I don't use the short cabinets and a glass shelf, I will probably put several glass shelves. I need for drink ware to be accessible from the Americana.

And no worries about the structure being able to support the fridge. The house is constructed with some serious wood. We're also going to be putting a jack under the sill of that wall to compensate from some termite damage. My master carpenter is amazing, and we are good friends.

I'm considering one more change. If there is room between the top of the sink and the bottom of the windowsill, I am considering putting the cabinettes there so that I will have more "landing space" under the wall fridge.

Did I mention that I know I'm barking mad to be so attached to the combo? No apologies for the negative note. I appreciate every comment and idea.

Al, thank you again for giving me such practical and thoughtful advice for my kitchen, and doing your best to guide me to a rational choice regarding the combo. You've given it your best shot, and I appreciate it.
Sarah
 
Plans Are looking Good

30" Wide kitchen Combo.

 

Yes it might be a little crazy and I don't use the one I installed in our kitchen 30+ years ago but I have never regretted having it there or even considered removing it.

 

I use it every month or so, sometimes as an extra dryer or just to wash all the kitchen rugs or to wash & dry the bed sheets if I am too lazy to go to the basement, when I finish the outdoor kitchen on the screened porch next spring there will be three laundry areas in this house which seems very sensible to me.

 

The GE combo that we may use is the last real American built in the early 70s, these GEs were the most reliable of all the US combos and one of the simplest. GE put thousands of these in rental housing in the 60s and they head up to all kinds of abuse and still lasted 10-20 of regular use.

 

If this combo becomes unserviceable some day it could easily be replaced by a 30" electric wall oven or a rare GE Empress 30" tool out DW or even one of the 24" European combos.

 

John L.

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Thank you, John!

I'm delighted to have some positive reenforcement for my plan! I had almost talked myself out of it, then I was using a lot of towels while cooking chicken the other night. I hate putting those towels in the kitchen laundry basked even for fa little while. I love the idea of being able to toss them right into the washer.

Yours looks fantastic as does your kitchen.

Can you send a picture of the one you'll be fixing up for me?

Later this afternoon, I'm going to be working on casting a replacement shelf for the all fridge. I'll let you all know how it works out.

Getting more and more excited about the project!
Sarah
 
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