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Wow, who could believe the High Holidays are only a month and a half away now. Ohhh I just can't wait for this years "Happy Gay Pride" thread. :)

But anyway, in the meantime did anyone of you catch this prime-time television "very first" last night? A real live gay wedding on ABC's Brothers and Sisters...

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I did not see it Robert so thanks so much for sharing it with us here. I still have tears in my eyes, that was beautiful. I know that is not the way it is here yet but it sure is the way it should be! I have never experienced a Gay Pride Holiday in person but I am sure it is a fabulous event. Terry
 
Robert,

Thanks for sharing that video. I sat in tears as I watched this episode. His mother played the role of a very special lady, one can only hope that this will help change viewpoints.

The cuff links were so symballical of what many of us have faced in our own lives....better stop... the tears are starting again.

Morgan
 
The proposal episode was great too.

"I even love the things about you that I hate."

 
I've loved this show since it started. It treats the viewers like adults, the writing is great, and almost all of the characters are interesting. I thought they handled both the wedding and the other guy's parents quite nicely: No diatribes, no beating us over the head to make a point, but yet they made a very good point. Very classy.

Now I want to know what's going on with the "mystery child". That William Walker sure got around. Unfortunately, that was the season finale, so I will have to wait awhile.
 
I love that show...and I did get all verclempt when they were doing the wedding. They certainly covered what happens when one family doesnt approve of a gay child getting married or as I say "commited" to another. But that William Walker got around like a male cat looking for a female in heat. Gawd if he was my husband i would have nutted him a long time ago. And not in a good way. I feel for Nora I really do.
 
Ohmigosh

I just cried my way through the proposal episode.

This is my alltime favorite program although we're not that far along over here. I've got episode 212 sitting on the recorder waiting for me to watch this week.

Michael being the softy that he doesnt like to admit he is, will cry his way through this :)
 
Thanks for sharing that Robert...makes me think there might actually be hope. Sally Field and Calista Flockheart are such class acts...all the way!
 
Ohh this is all BULLSHIT!!!!!

Us queers know that this is bullshit, only happens in fairy tales, or on television, and not in real life. There are many many many, gay men out there hurting and suffering loneliness, cause the gay community of today, unfortunately, is uppity, stuck up shallow and EXTREMELY conceded, not to mention extremely high expectations, for what we should look like. That is why i say it's all BULLSHIT.. THE END!!!. I think alot of queers need to take a lesson from straight men, who are more than likely to love a woman for her qualities and not her looks, unlike the queers that will ONLY and i mean ONLY, talk to you if you are HOT and HUNG, and that is SAD. One of my friends committed suicide last year due to loneliness and rejection, and yes he was gay...
 
Speed Queen~

Relax and take a deep breath. While you do that, I will do my best to not be offended by your post.
You are way off base to say that the entire gay community of today is "uppity, stuck up, shallow and EXTREMELY conceded"
You are new to the washer club and I can tell you first hand that you will get to know ( if you allow), some of the finest gay men you will ever meet. Many gay members on this site have been in long term, functional and loving gay relationships, myself included. Yes, this is true!
Also, must you use the word queer? I have always viewed that word as derogatory and degrading towards our community. I understand and sympathize you lost a close friend, but to blame his suicide on the "stuck up,shallow gay community seems a bit far fetched to me.
So give this club and the fine members, Gay and Straight a chance. You will be glad you did.
 
ohh and Robert..

I couldn't agree more with your take on "Brothers & Sisters". Great show!!
This is a positive step towards equality for all in the GLBT community. Bravo ABC!!
 
You are SO WRONG

SQ75

17 years here, we work togeather, have a good life, enjoy our friends both straight and gay in the small town we live in. The local folks are always inviting us to some event in the life of their straight family and take great interest in us. Our gay friends always have some event going on even if it just to celebrate getting the backyard garden planted.

Learn to live in Cleveland Tenn. or move someplace you can but I am guessing a geographic cure is not the answer. I feel sorry for you. Life will go on with or without you. The world is at your door you just have to learn to see it. I wish you well and hope you can get past your negative view.
 
Speed Queen

The gay community has its stuck up, uppity, shallow, conceited members. So does the straight community. The gay community has its absolute gems, as does the straight community.

Happily ever after does happen - my partner and I are 21 years together. At times we say "21 years - you get less for murder" but we still love each other dearly.

You may have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince.

Chris.
 
One of the first rules of movies and TV is that no one wants to watch stories about people who look like them. If I want to see a pasty, slightly paunchy middle-aged white guy, I'll look in the mirror ;-)

It's the same principle that gave us the apartment on "Friends" that is about five times the size of the average NYC two bedroom unit.

As far as shallow homos go, I've traveled in that circle, but I never let that crowd define me.
 
Does anyone remember Luke MacFarlane as a soldier in FX's short-lived Iraq war series "Over There"? He was great on that show.

I also think it's cool that Ken Olin and Patricia Wettig (remember "Thirtysomething"?) work together again. Plus, Wettig looks like Beth Gibbons from Portishead (except with blonde hair).
 
Look Guys

I did not say that all are this way, but where i live that is the case, i have met an awesome man Nathan, and i love him very much, and no i don't have it all wrong, sure i will admit there are some awesome gay men, that are sincere and loving, but that is a RARE breed, kinda like the ABC-O-MATIC, where i live in Cleveland and Chattanooga most all the gay men i know have changed partners ever other day, unlike my straight friends, who, some of them have married their high school sweet hearts, one of my good friends Mitch, is marrying a girl who is wheelchair bound in July, and i will be his best man, something like that would more than likely NOT happen in the gay community, for the most part it's about how big you are, whether or not you body is a Greek Adonis, and how much money you have. I do however have one gay friend that has been in his relationship since high school, and he is now 29. All i am saying is that most of your straight men will accept a woman based on her inner qualities alone and not her looks, where as a gay man would be more about your looks alone, which we all know that looks fade away, but you character remains with you till the day you die. Sorry if i offended anyone, i know that there are some awesome gay men on this site, i just wish more were out in the world, so our community would not have such a HORRIBLE reputation, for being, whores, shallow, stuck up. uppity and conceded, why i say all this? Well in my town that is how we are looked upon.
 
Dude you have

some issues and some points but you have to work through them. Life will be what you want it to be but YOU have to make it happen.

The community you build and the people you surround yourself with make the difference.

You have valid points. Those issues exist in every community.

Really they do. People here can confirm that.

You have to reach within yourself and build your community with the people you choose to let into your life.

Life choices may seem small or unimportant at times but they are always important in small details. You are known by the company you keep.

Look for like minded quality people that have values.

Your community of friends are going to be the people who reflect your values.

Think about your values. Think about your friends. What needs to improve?

The next move is yours. Life is what you make it.
 
Speed Queen, I respect your views. But to be honest, most gay people I know are either in a long-term committed relationship, or are looking for one.

Also, it's ridiculous to rant about a TV show that caters to fantasy. What TV show doesn't? It's bullshit because it's supposed to be bullshit.
 
Life is what you make of it?

Well if that were the case, then answer me this, why is it that everyone desires to be loved and in a loving relationship, and desperately seeks it, as the good book says, "seek and ye shall find" you and i both know that is not the case, but they cannot find it, and why is it many of us desire to be successful, and work VERY hard at it, but seem to struggle every step of the way, Life, i am afraid, my friend, is not what YOU make of it, you are dealt the cards your given, and you have to live with it, not everyone will have a partner, no matter how badly they desire it, and not everyone will be rich, even tho they so desperately work hard at it. I have had to work for everything i have, and had some rough times, then there are people that are just handed stuff to them on silver platters. So no oldhouseman, life is not want you make of it, your either blessed and favored, or always handed the shit end of the stick and that my dear friend is REALITY. THE END.....
 
Funny How Things Are....

In the states we are two guys living together, people call us "partners", "roommates" and "...you and your friend". In Tel Aviv, we are "domestic partners" and "husbands" to each other. In the states, we are considered old old old and totally out of touch and in Tel Aviv, well, no one is old and out of touch. What it comes down to is personal perspective, respect, love,loving and clean fresh sheets. As long as you have an identity, a clear and vital acknowledgment of who and what you are, chances are you're in good shape. Pity the poor people who want to be everything and in reality, well, aren't much of anything. Just like Marilyn Monroe said "Stake your claim".
 
Blah Blah Blah

Well,
This is clip is so silly!
All long as I have watched television, and have worked in television, I have never seen any program that was worthwhile for the gay community. Every sitcom that I have ever seen always made the gay person more "tolerable". This is not different in anything from the past as far as television is concerned, to me. For instance, you have to have the "fag-hag" in the scene, and this time, she is giving them away, and makes fun of them! And in the end, she does not even know what to call this "union". Oh, and don't forget, that on this VERY IMPORTANT day, the guys forget the most important thing...THE RINGS!
Notice everyone's faces. They really don't look happy, most of them look disgusted.
Always, the homosexual is always less than. Always made fun of. Or at worst, they are evil, or dying from something that there is no cure of, and because of their "life-style", they deserve.
I will tell you good writing......
Let's take this scene. Let's have the same wedding, but this time it is in a church that both of the males, or females grew up in. Instead of a "fag-hag" giving the speech, let it be one of the grooms parents. Yea, Parents that were also in a gay relationship, and raised him, to be as perfect as he appears. Let most of the crowd be gay, and not high five slapping straight people!
I don't think we would see anything like this anytime soon on prime time.
I know, many people will say "but it is a start for gay people". I say, this has been going on since the first day of film, and gay people always fall into this "He is nice, but you know he is gay" realm. It is gross! I wish they would just leave the "gay" characters as they see them, out.
I think if most of you thought about your own lives, and those that you have known that lived amazing lives as a homosexual, you could come up with a better story for television, without making fun of them, or pointing out their weakness.
None of this was to offend. I just wanted to point out that this scene, and the characters that these guys play are only for ratings! Not for boosting up the gay vote in the USA!!
Peace!
Brent
 
Not a Fag Hag

Hi Brent,

It would appear that you dont watch Brothers and Sisters. The "Fag Hag" is actually the sister of one of the gay men, and if you'd seen the whole series that sort of debarcle is commonplace and usually happens with any of the characters in any episode. The kerfuffle isnt unique to this wedding ceremony. When that fag hag "Kitty" got married, she left the alter with her husband mid nuptuals to resolve a mini crisis.

To me, the purpose of that scene wasnt to further gay rights, it was part of an amusing sitcom where a family member demonstrted his love for his partner in the same way the rest of the family interacts.

I think everyone is taking it too seriously, its an amusing sitcom full of funnies and furphies and I think thats what the writers intended.
 
Whatever

I totally see what the "Writer" intended. Or the network that is hosting this intended this to be.
You show me a serious gay "Union" on a television network, and I will say that is progress.
There is nothing serious about this. It is silly, and very insulting to the gay community.
It is all so "thrown together".
What queen would do this for their wedding? Or as far as you are saying about the sitcom, let a "fag-hag" do the sermon. I don't care what her role is. Sister, ex-wife, blah, blah, blah, she is insulting. You would never say this at a union that you cared about the victims.
In television, you always have to pretend that some viewer is "just tuning in". And in the case of the viewers that have been watching all along, you got them, so let's just keep insulting their intelligences.
It is poor. You will never convince me.
Glad that you are getting something out of the network. And I am sure that you are also.
Wake up!
Brent
 
Good grief. It's a TV show. If you want reality turn off your TV and go find some.

This show like every other on commercial TV has sponsors and will cater to a hetero audience. Get over it already.
 
Doesn't the shit end of the stick mean someone had a jol

~So no oldhouseman, life is not want you make of it, your either blessed and favored, or always handed the shit end of the stick and that my dear friend is REALITY. THE END.....

First of all there are MANY ways to believe, think and process. No single opinion is Gospel, ever. BTW, those who don't bend, break. It is CRUCIAL that we all learn to be flexible if we aren't already. The earlier in life the better.

The biggest truth on the planet:
EVERYONE is EXACTLY where they want to be in life OR THEY WOULD CHANGE IT.

There is a saying in my ethnic group. "Life is like a cucumber. Some eat it and are refreshed; and others eat it and get gas." Your choice.

Dear sirs- life is all about asjusting one's attitude, overcoming pre-conceived notions and the ability to overcome obstacles. It is said that life is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration.

Everyone on the planet sees life through:
Their culture (read: the LIMITATIONS of their culture).
Their language (read: the LIMITATIONS of their language).
Their religion(read: the LIMITATIONS of their religion).
Their pre-conceived notions and their expectations. And their interpretation of events that they have already experienced. Bittneress and anger only robs the holder of such emotions of their health.

Those who keep turning their heads back to reflect upon what was, miss the train that is about to hit them NOW. A word of advice. LET GO OF ALL PAST ANGER AND BITERNESS. It serves NO ONE. Even the past BTW can be changed by changing one's current perceptions of life.

Gay life is just like straight life except we get a bit more unjust discrimination and hate, and less legal protection and are denied the ability to marry. So what. It is what it is and it ain't gonna be changin' overnight. You can choose to be defeated or to toughen up and conquer. Homosexuality ain't for sissies, it's a HUGE and difficult life-lesson. Not in and of itself, mind you, but because of what various un-enlightened memebers of society do against us. Newsfladh: Whining about it changes nothing. But G-od only gives people as much as they can handle. So decide to handle it. We all can and we all have to. Period. Another ethnic saying "Just the DESIRE to so something is half the battle."

I apologize for pontificating. But one more point, and I hope to G-d its all been somewhat coherent!

Everything begins with a thought.
Thoughts become emotions.
Emotions becoem actions.
Actions become results.
[This concept "universal truth" is reflected in the four suits of Tarot cards of the Minor Arcana (and later evolved into the four suits of playing cards).]

Here it is all boiled down:

Change your thoughts and you have changed the entire scope of reality.

No matter what... we are all loved..even those who dont get the caviar on a silver platter.

Put together your thumb pointer and middle finger. and bend the pinkie and middle finger in toward your palm. This is how the Easter Orthodox Christian make the sign of the cross.The three fingers togeher are representatinve of Father, Son and Holy Spirit which is symbolic of Body, Mind, and soul, all of what makes a person a person. Now the two fingers are the important part. This signiifes the two natures of all humans. Phsyical and Divine (God-like) LISTEN UP! We are all composed of HUMAN and G-D. it is YOUR job to let the G-d part shine through and guide you.

Since we are all collectively and individually G-d, no one is "junk" CAPISH?

Rant over.
PEACE AND LOVE to all.
(I need a cigarette)
 

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