Wow - that came in much quicker than expected! Beautiful pictures and results for the first test-load. How is the noise level?
Here It Is: The LG 9810 Dishwasher (Photos of 1st Load)
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maytagwc401
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Did this machine replace a Maytag? If yes which model, and why was it replaced?
Just curious because I want to change dishwasher in the next few months.
Thanks,
Just curious because I want to change dishwasher in the next few months.
Thanks,
Greg---The machine is very quiet. The motor and pump are virtually silent. All you really hear is water dropping to the bottom of the tub. I love it!
Serge---This LG replaced a TOL Maytag, which was 2-1/2 years old. The circuit board had to be replaced recently, otherwise it was a great dishwasher. It cleaned like a champ and had unbeatable capacity. I replaced it because I wanted to try something totally different. The Whirlpool dealer in my tiny town recently began carrying the LG brand, which is as close to a high-end brand as I'll get. The LG's big selling point for me was the super-quiet operation and the half-load option.
I would highly recommend a Maytag, especially if you wash a lot of pots/pans/baking sheets. It's not a very quiet machine, but it's certainly not annoying loud, either.
I can't vouch for any LG dishwasher other than mine, which is model 9810. I've done 4 loads in it, three of them using the upper rack half-load option and the Quick Cycle (which is 74 minutes long, compared to the Maytag's 20-minute InstaWash Cycle). Cleaning results have been excellent, and it uses only 5 gallons of water in the Normal Cycle. I think the Quick Cycle may use only 4 gallons.
Serge---This LG replaced a TOL Maytag, which was 2-1/2 years old. The circuit board had to be replaced recently, otherwise it was a great dishwasher. It cleaned like a champ and had unbeatable capacity. I replaced it because I wanted to try something totally different. The Whirlpool dealer in my tiny town recently began carrying the LG brand, which is as close to a high-end brand as I'll get. The LG's big selling point for me was the super-quiet operation and the half-load option.
I would highly recommend a Maytag, especially if you wash a lot of pots/pans/baking sheets. It's not a very quiet machine, but it's certainly not annoying loud, either.
I can't vouch for any LG dishwasher other than mine, which is model 9810. I've done 4 loads in it, three of them using the upper rack half-load option and the Quick Cycle (which is 74 minutes long, compared to the Maytag's 20-minute InstaWash Cycle). Cleaning results have been excellent, and it uses only 5 gallons of water in the Normal Cycle. I think the Quick Cycle may use only 4 gallons.
Congratulations Eugene. BTWQ, that 3:31 time, that doesn't mean it actually took that long to run though.
Some Comments About Mighty Maytags...
There's a Maytag installed where I live. What is a lower end model, maybe bottom model, from about 2002. It's hard for me to pass judgment, since my experience is so limited. But it appears to do a decent job of cleaning. It's probably not as good as some older models--I've heard comments here about old KitchenAid machines that are so powerful that the dishes would be trying to escape if the door was latched. But the newer Maytag does appear to be gentle enough so that more stuff is safely "dishwasher" safe. The racks are nicely designed.
The one minus is that it appears modern Maytag dishwasher quality isn't what the washing machine quality of years gone by was. In other words, don't buy one thinking it'll be the last dishwasher you'll buy.
The one big problem some newer Maytag models have is the door latch easily breaking. This happened on my specimen recently (and after a life of very easy life--it's been only used about once a week, or so I've been told). The replacement isn't hard--I did it. But I'd prefer it if NOTHING broke. In Home Depot, they still have new machines with a similar looking latch, so I have to assume that the problem can still be a problem.
I think the Maytags are probably worth thinking about, if one is considering buying a new dishwasher, even with the flaws.
There's a Maytag installed where I live. What is a lower end model, maybe bottom model, from about 2002. It's hard for me to pass judgment, since my experience is so limited. But it appears to do a decent job of cleaning. It's probably not as good as some older models--I've heard comments here about old KitchenAid machines that are so powerful that the dishes would be trying to escape if the door was latched. But the newer Maytag does appear to be gentle enough so that more stuff is safely "dishwasher" safe. The racks are nicely designed.
The one minus is that it appears modern Maytag dishwasher quality isn't what the washing machine quality of years gone by was. In other words, don't buy one thinking it'll be the last dishwasher you'll buy.
The one big problem some newer Maytag models have is the door latch easily breaking. This happened on my specimen recently (and after a life of very easy life--it's been only used about once a week, or so I've been told). The replacement isn't hard--I did it. But I'd prefer it if NOTHING broke. In Home Depot, they still have new machines with a similar looking latch, so I have to assume that the problem can still be a problem.
I think the Maytags are probably worth thinking about, if one is considering buying a new dishwasher, even with the flaws.
Funguy10-- On my Maytag and the Frigidaire before that, ( both with hidden controls), you would choose the cycle and options, then press start and close the door.
With the new LG, you press the power pad, choose the cycle and options, then close the door. After about 5 seconds, the machine starts.
The Maytag didn't have a countdown timer the Frigidaire had one on the front, which bugged me at first, but I got used to it.
The LG has a countdown timer, but you have to open the door a bit to check it. I just let the machine do its work and listen for the little chiming melody it plays when the cycle has completed. The LG is so quiet that I don't even hear it switching between spraying the bottom and top racks. I also can barely tell when it's draining.
With the new LG, you press the power pad, choose the cycle and options, then close the door. After about 5 seconds, the machine starts.
The Maytag didn't have a countdown timer the Frigidaire had one on the front, which bugged me at first, but I got used to it.
The LG has a countdown timer, but you have to open the door a bit to check it. I just let the machine do its work and listen for the little chiming melody it plays when the cycle has completed. The LG is so quiet that I don't even hear it switching between spraying the bottom and top racks. I also can barely tell when it's draining.
cvillewasherbo
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times of cycles/energy savings?
I hate to rain on everyone's parade--and the LG looks like a wonderful machine, however, I'm still unconvinced about all of the new machines. Why on earth does it take 2-3 hours for a dishwasher to clean a full load of unrinsed mixed loads? Is it because they don't use any water?
So, less water, and a lot more electricity to heat the damn thing to boiling and it takes all that time? Why does the machine have to do that? And, why do you all love these energy efficient (supposedly) machines so much?
Sorry guys, my parent's old GE 640 Potscrubber (19 yrs old) cleans just as well, with unrinsed dishes, in about an hour.
Sounds like one of those "many energy saving scams" that we are so inundated with nowadays. It's the same thing with FL washers. Extra time to heat the water, and tumble and tumble rubbing the clothes against each other the whole while. Who has laundry that is really that dirty?
In days gone by if you were a farmer and wore the same set of overalls (and probably everything else) for a whole week it took boiling in lye soap to get them clean. Even modern day farmers and construction workers, etc, most likely change all of their clothing every day.
Lot's of people take showers twice a day and change their clothes twice a day, so where's all of the dirt that needs to be boiled, steamed, etc. for all of that time? So what if you sweat at the gym or walking home from work. It's just sweat (salt water) and you probably took a shower in the morning and will take another one at the gym before you go home.
It all escapes me. I don't see any energy savings here.
Courtney in VA
I hate to rain on everyone's parade--and the LG looks like a wonderful machine, however, I'm still unconvinced about all of the new machines. Why on earth does it take 2-3 hours for a dishwasher to clean a full load of unrinsed mixed loads? Is it because they don't use any water?
So, less water, and a lot more electricity to heat the damn thing to boiling and it takes all that time? Why does the machine have to do that? And, why do you all love these energy efficient (supposedly) machines so much?
Sorry guys, my parent's old GE 640 Potscrubber (19 yrs old) cleans just as well, with unrinsed dishes, in about an hour.
Sounds like one of those "many energy saving scams" that we are so inundated with nowadays. It's the same thing with FL washers. Extra time to heat the water, and tumble and tumble rubbing the clothes against each other the whole while. Who has laundry that is really that dirty?
In days gone by if you were a farmer and wore the same set of overalls (and probably everything else) for a whole week it took boiling in lye soap to get them clean. Even modern day farmers and construction workers, etc, most likely change all of their clothing every day.
Lot's of people take showers twice a day and change their clothes twice a day, so where's all of the dirt that needs to be boiled, steamed, etc. for all of that time? So what if you sweat at the gym or walking home from work. It's just sweat (salt water) and you probably took a shower in the morning and will take another one at the gym before you go home.
It all escapes me. I don't see any energy savings here.
Courtney in VA
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But the big difference.....
.....between the LG and the Maytag is that the LG washes only one rack at a time, while the Maytag washes two (or three for three rack models). So the LG needs twice as long to wash a load as it switches back and forth washing two racks, one at a time. In this way, it can use half the water and energy (approximately) to do the same work, but takes twice the time because it does the job one rack at a time instead of two. So a two hour cycle in the LG may roughly translate to a one hour cycle on a Maytag dishwasher. So there is definitely an energy advantage to the LG. Their BOL model, at $600+, is a pretty good value, while their TOL model at over $1400 is quite a pricey model, considering Maytag builds a steam dishwasher, too, for under $800.
.....between the LG and the Maytag is that the LG washes only one rack at a time, while the Maytag washes two (or three for three rack models). So the LG needs twice as long to wash a load as it switches back and forth washing two racks, one at a time. In this way, it can use half the water and energy (approximately) to do the same work, but takes twice the time because it does the job one rack at a time instead of two. So a two hour cycle in the LG may roughly translate to a one hour cycle on a Maytag dishwasher. So there is definitely an energy advantage to the LG. Their BOL model, at $600+, is a pretty good value, while their TOL model at over $1400 is quite a pricey model, considering Maytag builds a steam dishwasher, too, for under $800.
Andrew--- You're right; Since the LG washes one rack at a time, it can use substantially less water. It also has a more intelligent sensor than the Maytag. The LG's sensor checks turbidity during each phase (at least that's what I think it's doing). If the water passes muster, it returns to washing without another fill. If the water is gunky, it drains, fills, then continues washing.
I'll admit I miss the 20-minute InstaWash cycle. It irks me that the shortest cycle is 74 minutes. But I'll adjust. The LG has other features that I wouldn't want to give up.
Once again, a feature I thought would be a nuisance (the tiered upper rack of the Maytag, for example) turned out to be my favorite; In the case of the LG, it's the cutlery/flatware rack. I've pulled the flatware basket out and put it under the sink. I load all the silverware Up There, now. It cleans very well. That opens up a lot of room in the bottom rack.
The LG is SO much quieter than the Maytag. I love that.
Bob (Appnut)---- You're right; The cycle time shown at the beginning of the cycle isn't always exactly accurate. I did another big load of pots/pans using the World's Longest Cycle® and it didn't take 3:31 at all. It was done in 3:26, LOL!
In fact, I sold the Maytag today. Our local radio station has a call-in program for buying/selling and it was gone within an hour. A happy couple whose BOL Frigidaire bit the dust got a great deal on an excellent, like-new Maytag, which I have no doubt they'll be very happy with. They loved the stainless interior.
One more bonus: I thought our local utility had ended their Energy Star rebate program. Turns out that wasn't correct; I'm getting a $100 rebate!
And the LG plays a cute---if harmonically nonsensical---little melody at the end of every cycle. Nice, very nice.
I'll admit I miss the 20-minute InstaWash cycle. It irks me that the shortest cycle is 74 minutes. But I'll adjust. The LG has other features that I wouldn't want to give up.
Once again, a feature I thought would be a nuisance (the tiered upper rack of the Maytag, for example) turned out to be my favorite; In the case of the LG, it's the cutlery/flatware rack. I've pulled the flatware basket out and put it under the sink. I load all the silverware Up There, now. It cleans very well. That opens up a lot of room in the bottom rack.
The LG is SO much quieter than the Maytag. I love that.
Bob (Appnut)---- You're right; The cycle time shown at the beginning of the cycle isn't always exactly accurate. I did another big load of pots/pans using the World's Longest Cycle® and it didn't take 3:31 at all. It was done in 3:26, LOL!
In fact, I sold the Maytag today. Our local radio station has a call-in program for buying/selling and it was gone within an hour. A happy couple whose BOL Frigidaire bit the dust got a great deal on an excellent, like-new Maytag, which I have no doubt they'll be very happy with. They loved the stainless interior.
One more bonus: I thought our local utility had ended their Energy Star rebate program. Turns out that wasn't correct; I'm getting a $100 rebate!
And the LG plays a cute---if harmonically nonsensical---little melody at the end of every cycle. Nice, very nice.
Eugene
How does the LG dry?
How does the LG dry?
Everything except plastics dries quite well. Glasses with concave bottoms will hold a little water. Dinner knives loaded in the cutlery rack usually have a drop or two of water on them where they lean against the little guides.
I haven't really used the flatware basket in the bottom rack to compare drying performance. I'll have to give it a try. It's so convenient to load flatware in that top rack that I've removed the basket altogether.
I've rarely used the heated dry on any of my dishwashers, so I don't have a lot to compare it to. I'm used to there being a bit of water certain items. The Maytag didn't have a fan-assisted dry cycle, so it tended to leave things a little wet when not using heated dry.
The Maytag also didn't have a vent---not out the front, anyway. The LG vents out the the bottom of the door on the left side. I've read complaints of water pooling on the floor near the vent, but that hasn't happened in my kitchen, yet. Steam is definitely hitting the floor, though. I'm glad it's not a wood floor. I have vinyl.
I haven't really used the flatware basket in the bottom rack to compare drying performance. I'll have to give it a try. It's so convenient to load flatware in that top rack that I've removed the basket altogether.
I've rarely used the heated dry on any of my dishwashers, so I don't have a lot to compare it to. I'm used to there being a bit of water certain items. The Maytag didn't have a fan-assisted dry cycle, so it tended to leave things a little wet when not using heated dry.
The Maytag also didn't have a vent---not out the front, anyway. The LG vents out the the bottom of the door on the left side. I've read complaints of water pooling on the floor near the vent, but that hasn't happened in my kitchen, yet. Steam is definitely hitting the floor, though. I'm glad it's not a wood floor. I have vinyl.
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End of cycle signal
Wouldn't it be wonderful if it spoke to you?
Like THIS one...!
Wouldn't it be wonderful if it spoke to you?
Like THIS one...!
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Very nice machine. 3+ hours is a bit long but with results like that I wouldnt mind either. Love the lighting. Not many dishwashers have an LED lighting system like that but thats just too cool.
There was a discussion last year of concern over long dishwasher cycles using excessive amounts of energy. I posted some figures on my DishDrawer's power consumption. The figures were quite low, seems to me.
Scenario 1: Household water heater on 70°F to insure the dishwasher must do all the heating. Normal cycle, 115 mins, 5 water changes, 140°F main wash, 150°F final rinse. Power consumption, a tad less than 0.6 KWH. Figured at $0.15/KWH, that's 9 cents.
Scenario 2: Normal Eco cycle, 88 mins, 4 water changes, 125°F main wash and final rinse. 0.4 KWH. 6 cents.
Scenario 3: Heavy cycle, 132 mins, 7 water changes, 150°F main wash, 163°F final rinse. 0.68 KWH used. About 10 cents.
Fill is about 45 watts (pump runs at low speed). Water heating with recirculation, maximum 650 watts. Pump recirculating, varies about 75 to 110 watts. Pump drain, 30 to 45 watts. Drying fan, 7 watts.
Scenario 1: Household water heater on 70°F to insure the dishwasher must do all the heating. Normal cycle, 115 mins, 5 water changes, 140°F main wash, 150°F final rinse. Power consumption, a tad less than 0.6 KWH. Figured at $0.15/KWH, that's 9 cents.
Scenario 2: Normal Eco cycle, 88 mins, 4 water changes, 125°F main wash and final rinse. 0.4 KWH. 6 cents.
Scenario 3: Heavy cycle, 132 mins, 7 water changes, 150°F main wash, 163°F final rinse. 0.68 KWH used. About 10 cents.
Fill is about 45 watts (pump runs at low speed). Water heating with recirculation, maximum 650 watts. Pump recirculating, varies about 75 to 110 watts. Pump drain, 30 to 45 watts. Drying fan, 7 watts.
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The Fisher and Paykel Dishdrawer is one I have to honestly say that I dont miss having. Mine bit the big one after 3 years. And it amazes me how many I see at an appliance dealers platform of junked machines. The new Consumer Reports are suggesting people to stay away from any and all dishdrawers. Even the new Kenmore/Whirlpool Maytag built machines are not exactly prize winners. They tested 3 machines by Kenmore and all 3 had the same problem. The top drawer wouldnt drain completely between cycles. That would case dirty wash water to be carried over from one segment of the cycle to the other. Not a good thing.
So far my Miele has proven she is a keeper. Cleans well and very rarely I find anything emerge dirty from it.And she is quiet. So much so when its running I can barely hear it and sometimes not at all.
So far my Miele has proven she is a keeper. Cleans well and very rarely I find anything emerge dirty from it.And she is quiet. So much so when its running I can barely hear it and sometimes not at all.
OK, ignore the fact that it's a DishDrawer (that'll be five years old in two months, and has thus far needed no repairs). The point was that a cycle 2 hrs 12 mins long pulled about 2/3 KWH of power, which includes heating to 163°F. My last electric bill (for period of 4/23 to 5/23/2008) was $0.1285/KWH. So that'd be 8.7 cents. Which is probably less cost than the eco-detractors expect. Except then consider again that it IS a DishDrawer, so running BOTH drawers would be 17 cents, which I suppose IS outrageous.
