Here's one you don't see much of anymore

[pstehle]

I don't recall the Vega getting the Iron Duke, only the Astre. At first, Pontiac painted the Vega engines red, so the salesmen could lie about them "not having a Vega engine", then put the 2.5L in them. For some reason, there was a monumental difference between the V6 versions of the H's and the 4- bangers. I had a 1980 Sunbird that was a total piece of crap out of the box, rough as a corn cob, and a friend with an earlier model that had a V6 that was like driving a Cadillac. Even mine ate a cam and a set of lifters at 50,000 miles, though that might have been due to using Arco Graphite oil in it for a while.

Funny thing, I got hosed big-time by a flat-out liar Finance Officer back then, and it's still happening today. They just can't bring themselves to be honest...