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I'm sick of living in an inch of dust and not having the time nor the energy to clean my house the way it should be done (I barely even have time to do the laundry!). I have always been pretty OCD, but things are a bit out of hand. Between running a business, traveling for work, and all of the other things I do every week, I only have about an hour at home per night.

Therefore, I think I have finally decided to get a housekeeper to come in once every couple of weeks to clean the place. Anyone else here utilize domestic help? If so, do you have them come weekly, bi-weekly, monthly, etc?

Bryan
 
My wife and I have 2 women that come in bi-weekly. We supply the chemicals, and they do the rest, all for $55. We've had them for just about 4yrs. now. My wife wasn't too thrilled when I first mentioned the subject, but now she doesn't know what she would do without them.
 
Ask around at work, friends, neighbors, etc. so you can "trust" the person you hire. Usually for the average household of one or two people, twice a month (bi-monthly) is perfectly adequate with the knowledge that you'll need to vacuum, etc. now and then. It's important to remember that the person(s) coming into your house don't find your teacup collection (or what have you) as precious and dear to them as you do so if you have things that would devastate you if they were damaged, put them away or instruct the cleaning person that you will maintain that area yourself. A good example is a china-hutch, etc. Most house-cleaners won't be using a rag tied to the end of a baseball bat, but accidents do happen and to do the job properly, things have to be moved to get clean. You can expect to pay a bit more, perhaps as much as double the first time as it does take longer to get ahead of the dust and dirt/grime you haven't had time to tackle. Be clear in your expectations from the beginning and if there are things that you don't like or pet peeves as it were, be sure to tell them that up front and most importantly, as soon as you notice them. A friendly note to "please dust this, etc." will be much better received than keeping it to yourself and letting the problems grow into resentment and prematurely ending the business relationship which only causes more stress for you as you will have to start the hiring process over again. Remember, you get what you pay for so if you get a recommendation for someone that is a bit higher priced than another, it's probably worth it for the peace of mind in the long run.
 
Do a critical check of your home environment and make the same changes to your SOP, the same way you would if complete strangers suddenly traipsed through your home every week.

Place credit card statements, bank statements, mail, jewelry, small expensive electronics, etc., inside drawers or closets.

Any personal items you'd feel uncomfortable showing to your mother should be stowed away in a specific, low-profile storage area that is designated for that purpose.

Any medications, particularly those classified as controlled substances, should likewise be placed into conveniently located storage cabinets, not your medicine cabinets.

Find better hiding places for any duplicate keys you may have around, detach any post-its on your phone, computer, security alarm system panel, that may carry passwords, access numbers, etc.

Don't discuss personal issues like recreational drug use, firearms possession, legal issues, etc. in the presence of your cleaner.

Do not argue amongst yourselves in the presence of your cleaner.

Do not hire undocumented workers to clean your home and check your homeowners insurance for coverage in regards to accidents and theft pertaining to househelp.

Do not leave underaged children or houseguests alone with your cleaner.

Do not leave sinks full of dirty dishes, towels, packaging, trash (daily cleaning), etc. for your cleaner to waste valuable time with.

Provide only those chemical products, tools, and necessary staples needed for the tasks to be completed, be flexible about considering the cleaner's preferred alternatives, be diligent about not running out of anything, refilling bottles, etc.

Review the cleaning methods you want employed from the get go, and demonstrate in a hands-on matter exactly how you expect these tasks to be performed on a regular basis, always remaining open to suggestions and new ideas from your cleaner.

Provide hangers and closet space for your cleaner's coat, hat, bags, etc.

Do find out what your cleaner's preferences are regarding food and snacks and make them readily available at the kitchen table throughout his/her visit.

Your cleaner is not Goodwill or Oxfam, and don't make a habit of offering every single obsolete object you own to take home with them...they may feel obligated to accept and be stuck taking home your "gifts" every night!

Do encourage frequent rest breaks and radio but not television, and don't burden them with unnecessary personal conversations or distractions.

If you don't want a treasured article broken, indicate this from the beginning and place a post-it note on as a reminder not to touch it, for the first few sessions.

Do instruct carefully and thoroughly how vacuums, hard floor washing machines, carpet cleaners, etc. are operated during session one, and keep a designated place for bags, supplies, etc. replenished, all tools in order and ready for use.

Remove any clutter you can possibly live with.

Please let your cleaner know of any frayed wires, sharp edges, etc. that you may take for granted but he/she would have no way of knowing about.

Keep basic first aid supplies and aspirin available.

Don't get involved with your cleaner's travel arrangements.

Don't get involved with your cleaner's friends or family.

Remember to appreciate your cleaner's role in helping your home run smoothly. Gift cards to popular mass-market retail stores , supermarkets, etc. are most welcome.

Most important....go with your own instincts.

If you suspect something is amiss, or anything just isn't right, take no chances and dismiss him/her outright, waiting for "proof" your cleaner is too hip to provide for you.

If you have to let a cleaner go, be unemotional but firm, and pay all outstanding pay in cash to them immediately.

You are under no obligation to explain your reasons for doing so.

I know this seems exhaustive, but it's better to establish boundaries from the get-go, so the working relationship WITH your cleaner can develop on a solid foundation based on dignity and mutual respect!

Good Luck!
 
Gansky is is absolutely right about the china hutch.

I just went through this last week. "The ladies" smashed a piece of porcelain by dusting the Murano Glass next to it. (I was more concerned about the glass, but still...)These people are total strangers and they need guidance when in our homes. Make sure you find someone who will spend "quality time" in your house. I have a crew of ladies who come every 2 weeks. I still find myself wishing they would stay longer on each visit. We've had a few hurdles to jump: they needed to be trained on how to clean granite, stainless steel, etc, and I had to remind myself that these domestic professionals are nowadays "built for speed" and clean 3 or 4 homes a day. The hardest adjustment to be made was mine, because I had hoped to have this kind of help for at least 1 full day at a time. No such housekeeper exists anymore. I could sure use a "Hazel" at this point in my life: someone who will stay and constantly clean instead of just breezing through with thoughts of the next client in mind.
 
Don't scare him! ;-)

Wow, Oxy, that is quite a list! I'm sure most of my clients have never given most of those things a thought. Trust is the most important thing you can have with anyone working in your home - I've never had anyone plan their lives around my coming to work and making sure their children or elderly parents are out of the house - I would be terribly offended if they did! I can see if you have a service or a franchised company whose work-crews are constantly changing, etc. where some of those precautions would be necessary though. I think the preferred situation is to find someone that comes recommended and does the work themselves, or with a partner, etc. I have clients that I've been working with for more than 12 years now and never once have been suspected of anything "improper" - not that a few impure thoughts haven't crossed my mind about some of the husbands, guests or grown family members. At worst, that makes me a whore and I can't help that! Back to the Pledge and TPIR...
 
Remember to be a considerate employer too...

I highly recommend this book to anyone who would like to hire someone to clean for them or simply to improve their own skills. Cleaning or housekeeping is quickly becoming a lost art in our society and this book will help organize your work process to be more efficient and be more rewarding. I don't mean rewarding in a warm-fuzzy feeling all over, but a genuine feeling of accomplishment when you're able to get the toilet bowl sparkling white with very little effort and time! Ideally, cleaning professionals have been trained or have trained themselves to be much more efficient than the average person perusing the bathroom cleaner section at the grocery store and settling on "Scrubbing Bubbles" because the can leads them to believe there is no work involved. I tell all of my clients that I charge by the job, not by the hour. This work is not my hobby, it's my job and I have learned to be efficient and good at what I do. For that work, I expect to be paid a living wage and since this is not a hobby for me, I never tolerate clients who try to "skip" a cleaning and think they are doing me a favor. This is how I pay the grocery bill, light bill, etc. and if I put your home on my schedule, I expect to be paid. Nobody else would put up with an employer that called every now and then and told you to take the day off without pay. I usually have a waiting list of people who want me to clean for them so the street goes both ways - you get what you pay for!

http://www.amazon.com/Speed-Cleanin...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205292654&sr=8-1
 
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Greg you can come clean my house anytime - just make sure you leave the heels at the door, I don't want you scuffing my finished oak floors ;-)

Do you charge extra for a 10 hour transit time?

Ben
 
Interesting thread. Before I retired I'd thought about it as well. Both of us were way too busy and our house was getting really bad but I was always leery about having strangers come in to clean. Everyone I knew who had the service raved about it but I just couldn't get past the fact. It isn't as much an issue now though now that I do have the time but it's easy to put off till tomorrow LOL
 
"Those are great suggestions, but if I did all that, I probably wouldn't have any need for a house cleaner! ;-) "

Not at all, though, although it seems daunting.

You really do work it all out during the first two sessions!

When I did this work, I began to be referred to a circle of doctors for whom English was a second language.

For a while, I'd send them a brief questionnaire asking about areas of special emphasis, preparations for household guests, coordination with caterers, tradesmen, etc., and what I discovered was that folks really love to SHOW you how they like things done, and even like to consider you an extension of their family (although I would politely discourage that as much as possible)....

I've always LOVED cleaning windows, scrubbing floors and tile, washing ceilings, etc., and using my favorite TOYS to cut my workload and time spent, my clients would trust me quickly because I knew from things from another age and they knew I enjoyed working in their homes as much as I did.

Later, I flip-flopped roles when my significant other had a cleaner and I learned he spent HOURS in frustration and worry over someone he should have looked at as a partner in the war against grease and grime, not an adversary!

She came in one morning and I made coffee and we had a talk that lasted no longer than twenty minutes and, from that point on, he never had as much of a peep of complaint about her again! He was intimidated on some deep level of dealing with her and she, frankly, had come to see him as something of a helpless, foolish child (a lesson I should have heeded, but that is another story) and here they were, absolutely unable to connect with one another and make their minds meet on the simplest issues!

I think if my advice seems overly protectionist, it's because I'm from New York, and a lot of precautions and command presence attitude probably aren't required where you're at....
 
:I would be terribly offended if they did!"

Don't be, Gansky!

Like I mentioned before, a lot of this is probably big-city specific, and folks can be unbelievably TWITCHY here...:)
 
Even though most of my business now is focused on commercial janitorial, there are a few houses that I enjoy cleaning. Usually, those are for people who truly appreciate the work and would be quite lost otherwise. I have a couple of houses that I should get rid of, too much clutter, not enough money, etc. but sometimes I've built a friendship with the family or they are closely connected to a commercial account that I just never get around to bidding them goodbye. I've turned down some calls for work in the last couple of weeks and even though I don't "need" it, still feel a pang of guilt - Midwestern work ethic? Whatever you call it, it's nice to be thought so highly of.

Ben, I can't wear heels anymore - we're on to the orthopedic lace-ups now! Non-marring soles, so no worry about your new floors - we should start a remodeling thread and post pics of all the work we've been up to. We'll need to get Cory to post some as well!
 
One must start these things off properly.

Interviews should be conducted in a business like manner. It should be made clear what one expects in terms of duties,hours, rules and so forth. On all counts one must ask for and contact references.

Do not allow cleaners to become overly familiar at first, one can hardly dress down someone after just sitting down to tea or chatting with them for an hour. Yes, it is also a reflection of these times that all valuables, including credit cards and any sort of ID documents are kept in a secure area. Under NO circumstances should you give a new cleaner your house keys!

Make up your mind as to what you wish the cleaner to do, and find out what the local rates are for such services. For instance if you wish a maid of all work, that is all heavy work, cleaning, dusting, laundry etc, she probably will cost more than a person you have in say once or twice a month to do a more through cleaning,whilst you handle the day to day things.

Valuable nick-nacks and such are best dusted/cleaned by yourself, unless you can live with damage or breakage. If the cleaner will be using appliances, make sure they understand how to operate them. Especially if your cleaner does not under stand or read English well enough to figure things out for themselves.

On the otherside of the coin, one has to appreciate a cleaner is there to do a job,and if she is good and efficient will likely have a routine of her own. Beds cannot be made if persons are still in them, nor can the kitchen be cleaned if someone is there lolling around breakfast or lunch.

Oh and another thing, if you are not to be at home when the cleaner is present, make it VERY clear she is NOT to bring anyone else into your home without your say so. Any extra help she may require should be approved by yourself. It is one of the oldest tricks in the book for a cleaner to try and scrounge up work for a friend or child by bringing them along and then telling you to pay for their services. Of course the other thing goes without saying, if you don't know who these extra persons are, you could loose everything in your home.

I'll ask Rosario if she has any friends coming up "North" anytime soon. *LOL*

L.
 
We have a Bi-Weekly cleaning service

My wife and I just started having a cleaning service coming in bi-weekly. The lady whom we interviewed with from the cleaning company told us they would clean the entire house for $70.00. The first time they came they didn't dust all the furniture, the back 1/2 of the house wasn't cleaned and the master bathroom floor was still dirty.

Called them about it and last week they did a great job. Our house is a 2475 1 level ranch and we have no children. But we have a small dog and a lot of trees/woods behind our house where we take her to walk. We have a lot of tree trash brought in when we take her out.

My wife is a semi-workaholic and I do not get home before 6:00 because of the Atlanta traffic heading north. So the cleaning service really helps out so we are not cleaning all weekend.
 
We have a weekly cleaning service~

I agree with Greg. If you have friends, co-workers, or neighbors that use a cleaning service, that would be the best scenario in finding someone trustworthy & reliable.

My cleaning lady Patty comes every Thursday. We have been using her for several years now and have recommended her to friends in our neighborhood. I would suggest when you find someone, make sure it is clear upfront what she/he will do and won't do. (Patty won't do dishes or load dishwasher), which is fine by me. I always leave a list for Patty telling her the areas I want her to focus on. Some cleaning services do provide their own cleaning supplies, but usually will charge you extra for it. I supply Patty with the cleaning supplies since I prefer cleaners that are easy on the environment. Method is a great choice. The Almond Wood Floor cleaner is amazing!

Cleaning rates vary from region to region and the price is usually based on the square footage of your home. We pay 80.00 a week. So make sure you comparison shop, but don't sacrifice quality to save a few dollars.

Good Luck and let us know what you decide!
 
We have tried private cleaners and they never seem to do a good job, break things or don't show up. We have had a service coming in for 4 years now and no problems. They are insured, prompt and always show up. We have 3 dogs and they get put in the office with a gate up, since we don't want them in there anyways to clean. They have done a great job with no complaints from us. They use their own supplies except for the vaccuum. I prefer they use the electrolux central vac that is exhausted to the outside. That's one thing with other vacs they have to exhaust somewhere and it seems they are always blowing something else around.
 
"Beds cannot be made if persons are still in them..."

Don't underestimate my tyrannical capabilities, Launderess!

:) :)
 
Great advice so far

I clean for a living too, and am constantly baffled at how little thought some people put into choosing domestic help. Many just pick a company out of the phone book at random (usually because the ad "looks nice"), don't interview the business owner properly, and basically agree to let a stranger into their home with neither party being 100% clear as to what is expected of them. These people always end up being disappointed, and despite hiring and firing cleaners constantly, can never find one they are truly satisfied with.

Seeking recommendations from friends and co-workers is always the best place to start. Simply because, in theory at least, it's very rare for someone to recommend a cleaner they themselves are not pleased with. Should this not be an option, call several companies in your area, do your homework and make a shortlist based on your own research. Be upfront about your expectations, ask lots of questions, and make it clear that you expect them to win your custom. What can they offer you that their competitors can't?

Don't push for a quote over the telephone, because no reputable cleaner will even begin to discuss price without surveying the job first. Some houses require more time and effort to properly clean than others, and this invariably attracts a higher fee. Arrange for the business owner to visit you at a convenient time for an interview, and be prepared to accompany them on a walk-through tour of your home. Discuss in detail the tasks to be performed in each individual room, so you are both fully aware of what exactly will and won't be cleaned. This is also your opportunity to ask questions, answer any queries they may have, and discuss the relevant terms and conditions.

Some cleaners provide a full housekeeping service, to include such tasks as washing dishes, doing laundry and making beds. Others (myself included) don't, and are there purely to clean. If you choose the latter, don't waste your cleaner's time by expecting them to tidy up after you. Pick clothes up off the floor and clear away scattered toys before their arrival, so he or she can come in and get on with what they are supposed to be doing - removing dirt, not shifting clutter.

The only other thing I can say is, once you have found a cleaner whom you like and trust, agree to work WITH each other. Expect them to be professional, but treat them as such. And never be afraid to point out the things you are happy and unhappy with, because they'll never know unless you tell them.
 
Thanks everyone for all of the great information. It certainly gives me something to think about. Until I find the right person, I have resigned myself to come home every night and clean one room per night until it's all done. Then I guess I will have to go back and start all over again!

Greg - Thanks for the comments. You mentioned that book in a thread several months ago, and I bought it on Amazon.com that same day. I read the whole thing and it was a good read. I like how it gave ideas on becoming more efficient in the cleaning process.

What I have a hard time with, however, is the "red juice" and "blue juice" cleaning products. My mom was an immaculate housekeeper growing up, and I'm used to cleaning with big buckets of Pine Sol and water, or bleach (or even Pine Sol AND Bleach when I'm feeling really adventurous). I guess I've always had this presupposition that it isn't TRULY CLEAN unless you give it a deep wash with a strong product (instead of just using a spray-on product).

What are your favorite products to use while cleaning? I like the following, but I'm open to change at this point if it makes me more efficient (until the housekeeper comes, of course - LOL!):

Kitchen - Pine-Sol, diluted in proper proportions (with a dash of bleach added for good measure on occasion). Sometimes I will use Lysol or Mr. Clean, but Pine-Sol has always been my top product. I would use this product on everything including sink, countertops and floors, and the front of the cabinets as needed. On occasion, I will do a deep cleaning of the cabinets (inside and out) using Murphy's Oil Soap, as my cabinets are oak.

Bathrooms - (Toilets) - Lysol Toilet Bowl Cleaner for the bowl. For the bath tub and the shower I really like Comet Disinfecting Bathroom cleaner to eliminate the soap scum, and then the whole bathroom gets a thorough cleaning with the good ole Pine-Sol solution (with bleach on occasion).

Dusting - Pledge - I like the Clean & Dust kind in the blue can. My mom always used Lemon Pledge, but I don't use it often.

Windows & Mirrors - Sprayway glass cleaner. I think this stuff is awesome.

Anyone else have any suggestions on quick and easy cleaning products?

Thanks,

Bryan
 
Hi Bryan

I use lot of products from "Method" and "Seventh Generation". I really like the new "Green Works" line from Clorox also. You should give it a try.

Right now under my kitchen sink, I am currently using.

Method Almond Wood Floor cleaner (if you have wood floors, awesome product)

Method Granite/Stone cleaner ( excellent product)

Method Stainless Steel cleaner( not too impressed, don't waste your money)

Murphy's oil soap ( excellent for cleaning wood cabinets)

Green Works dilutable household cleaner ( excellent product)

Seventh Generation All purpose cleaner(another excellent product, but a bit pricey)

Green Works Toilet bowl cleaner- very nice scent and does just as good as Lysol. Reasonably priced.

Green Works Glass cleaner- verdict is still out.I do find it to be somewhat sudsy, I think next time I will have to switch back to Windex with Vinegar.

I have Saltillo( Mexican tile) in my Florida room and ceramic in my kitchen. I think the best thing to use on that type of tile is plain old vinegar and water. I find it does an excellent job!

I do have a few non Green products that I can't bring myself to part with just yet.

Soft Scrub with Bleach
Cascade 2 in 1 "action pacs" with Dawn. I think I will give Seventh Generation Automatic Dish Powder a try though.
Dawn Dishwashing liquid (original scent)
Vel Pink "rose scented" dishwashing liquid

Hope this helps.
 
I agree with you on the "red juice" spray and wipe cleaning methods and personally I use a bucket and microfiber cloth for all "wet" cleaning. I always start in the bathroom, showers & sinks get sprayed and brush-scrub with bathroom cleaner, toilet gets a spray of that around the rim and brushed with Comet cleanser. I towel up most of the runaway water from the scrubbing and rinsing process and then clean the mirrors and finally wipe everything with the cloth. I've used many different "all purpose" cleaners in water but my all-time favorite is Dawn dishwashing liquid. It has a pleasant smell and most importantly, dries clean without streaking on most all surfaces. I use the same thing in the kitchen for most all surfaces as well - it's good enough for items you eat from, why not the refrigerator door, etc. as well? I've found it isn't so much the product you use, but how you use it that really gets things clean. There is no substitute for elbow grease. Dawn seems to be a little easier on the hands than most other cleaners - I personally am sickened by the smell of pine cleaners and anything fruity or flowery so I try to stick with what I know works and won't melt the skin from my hands. For wood floors, a very good non-harmful product is Citri-Scrub from Hillyard - low Ph and won't harm the finish. It also works well on marble and stone. Economy plays a big factor in my purchasing decisions as the job isn't profitable if you're giving the store away in designer products that do little more than come in an attractive package and smell like a candy store. Just the basics for me, and I never, ever get complaints on bathrooms or kitchens.

I started my cleaning career doing vacant apartment cleaning and believe me, you learn how to clean very well and quickly to make that often horrific job profitable.
 
vacant apartment cleaning

Greg, you're a braver man than I. Just based on some of the apartments we get into to deliver appliances, I would never want to clean some of that stuff. Roaches, mouse dirt (I always like to deliver another stove to people & see mouse poo right on the stove top that they were obviously to lazy to clean up), grease, etc. We've gotten in some really "nice" pieces from apartments (things like food left in a refrig turned off for a few months). Oh my.
 
Great thread. As soon as I finish a couple of more remodeling projects and get the clutter organized, I'm going to hire a cleaner to come every two weeks. This thread has given me a lot of pointers, namely the china hutch full of Hofbauer will be off limits. Fortunately most of the collectibles I display in the house are not delicate bone china, so I shouldn't have to worry about things being broken.

My main problem is dusting - I just never find time, and then I end up spending an entire day catching up with it (and sneezing a lot).
 
I am staying away from having outsiders in my home-unless absolutely necessary!opens real cans of worms-esp Federal and State safety regs-You have even a "cleaner" in your home-your home now becomes a "workplace" that can be subject to State and Fed safety regulations!I just have too many things that would be difficult to secure and would "walk-off".BEWARE!!!
 
I remember when my first partner and I moved to this area. We bought our first home (a 3 level side split) and he insisted that we get a cleaning lady to come in once a week. I finally agreed and he hired one of his patients. When we arrived home after her day of cleaning there would always be a freshly baked pie or muffins waiting on the counter. We thought we had found a real wonder. Well after a few weeks had gone by we arrived home one day and our inquisitive neighbour (who was a police man) comes rushing over to tell us that there had been another car in the driveway in addition to the cleaning lady's car. After questioning the cleaning lady we discovered that she had been having her boyfriend over and they were having sex in our bed! Needless to say she never came back after that.

Gary
 
Rex, if you hire a worker through an agency, they take liability for damage and loss. And you aren't subject to any federal or state workplace regulations in your home. The contractor assumes normal risk - common for all household services.

My mom has two cleaning ladies: The good one from the senior agency, who knows how to clean, and can also do stuff like take her to the doctor. Then there's the regular crazy lady she's had since she broke her hip, who only comes once a month to do the "heavy cleaning" (and rearrange the furniture so that the living room always looks like mom is hosting a lecture series - crazy lady puts all the sofas and chairs facing one direction). She also refuses to mop, and unexpectedly falls to her knees and wants mom to join her in long, incoherent prayers. Mom just turns up the volume on the TV when that happens.

Btw, mom won't let her use the washing machine since she caught her washing her tea towels with some underwear, which is just about the worst thing you can do in mom's book. I don't know why she keeps her, but she does.
 
"She also refuses to mop, and unexpectedly falls to her knees and wants mom to join her in long, incoherent prayers."

Maybe it was a novena to "Our Lady Of Lysol"?

I'm sorry, it's been a long week...:)

To make amends, here's a quick and easy homemade floor cleaner recipe.....

1 part water

1 part white vinegar

1 part "Glass-Plus" window cleaner (no substitutions!)

Mix and add solution to spray bottle.

What I like about this formula is that it is universal....you can use the same cleaner on tile, vinyl, wood, etc.

I am anal about constantly rinsing and wringing out the mop or floor rag, but it works pretty well and dries quickly without leaving any residue behind.
 
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