Hoarder?? Who me? Shut up. Get off my porch and leave me alone!
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sudsmaster
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Greg,
I got your email.
Did you get my reply?
I got your email.
Did you get my reply?
It is there - Yahoo mail doesn't behave very well for me, perhaps I didn't train it well when it was a pup...
Surprise Surprise Laundress is right
The medical community has attributed hoarder's syndrome to a detachment from the nuclear family during adolescence. Poverty, war, depression can certainly divert the attention of the parents and caregivers. It is not solely attributable to lack of money or material security. Saying, "my parents lived through the depressions isn't valid when hoarding is applied to our generation. Understanding that memories reside in the heart and soul and never in sticks, stones and masonry is an invaluable acceptance... I am an anti hoarder for fear I would become messy, which I equate with poverty of lack of quality rearing, both of which I am and was. As long as I have a breath and can move I
Refuse to let the sun set on dirty dishes or rise to an unmade bed. I have learned through the years letting go of material items easily meant they returned as well. It was the foolish clinging and conceiving to keep something that was a thing are the items harder to find again. I truly love to give away things that make the receiver glad.
My promise to myself is: "If you own it, use it or display it. If 6 months have passed and I haven't used it its time to go."
The items I regret parting with? Sunbeam Chrome Model 10. Frigidaire Gemini refrigerator with bottom freezer, foot pedal to open the freezer and motorized unit that opened the door with a press of the button, just like Samantha's. Frigidaire 30 inch Custom Imperial Twin with chromed Fair oven on top and self cleaning oven on the bottom and built in exhaust. 1964 Frigidaire Coppertone matching Custom Imperial washer and dryer, Kitchenaid model G and K-4B. GE 30 inch range with microwave/self cleaning oven combination. Magnavox home theatre in an antiqued green armoire by Thomasville cabinetry with pecan accents. Henredon Living room grouping, Persian Portal (met my wife, an interior designer sourcing more pieces of the grouping) The Beverly Hill Billy house in Merritt Woods, Battle Creek Michigan, Lawn Boy 2 cycle self propelled lawn mower, 1965 Lincoln Continental with suicide doors, my hearing.
The medical community has attributed hoarder's syndrome to a detachment from the nuclear family during adolescence. Poverty, war, depression can certainly divert the attention of the parents and caregivers. It is not solely attributable to lack of money or material security. Saying, "my parents lived through the depressions isn't valid when hoarding is applied to our generation. Understanding that memories reside in the heart and soul and never in sticks, stones and masonry is an invaluable acceptance... I am an anti hoarder for fear I would become messy, which I equate with poverty of lack of quality rearing, both of which I am and was. As long as I have a breath and can move I
Refuse to let the sun set on dirty dishes or rise to an unmade bed. I have learned through the years letting go of material items easily meant they returned as well. It was the foolish clinging and conceiving to keep something that was a thing are the items harder to find again. I truly love to give away things that make the receiver glad.
My promise to myself is: "If you own it, use it or display it. If 6 months have passed and I haven't used it its time to go."
The items I regret parting with? Sunbeam Chrome Model 10. Frigidaire Gemini refrigerator with bottom freezer, foot pedal to open the freezer and motorized unit that opened the door with a press of the button, just like Samantha's. Frigidaire 30 inch Custom Imperial Twin with chromed Fair oven on top and self cleaning oven on the bottom and built in exhaust. 1964 Frigidaire Coppertone matching Custom Imperial washer and dryer, Kitchenaid model G and K-4B. GE 30 inch range with microwave/self cleaning oven combination. Magnavox home theatre in an antiqued green armoire by Thomasville cabinetry with pecan accents. Henredon Living room grouping, Persian Portal (met my wife, an interior designer sourcing more pieces of the grouping) The Beverly Hill Billy house in Merritt Woods, Battle Creek Michigan, Lawn Boy 2 cycle self propelled lawn mower, 1965 Lincoln Continental with suicide doors, my hearing.
whirlcool
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My nutty sister is a hoarder of food of all things.
Her house is always clean and neat as a pin. Her kitchen pantry is a total mess. Hundreds of cans of food. When they remodeled her Lake Forest, IL home several years ago she had a huge pantry installed. When she buys string beans in a can she won't buy just one can, she'll buy 25 of them. Why? Oh, it was on sale.
In her kitchen she has a SubZero refrigerator. It is packed so tight with food you can't take one thing out with lots of other items falling out with it. Most everything is out of code date.
Last time we were there, I asked if she had any sour cream for my baked potato. She gave me a container of sour cream that was a month and a half past it's exp. date. She said "Oh, it's still good". I passed on it.
Then in the basement she has two deep freezes and another large GE double door refrigerator that is as packed as the SubZero upstairs is.
I finally told her and her husband that this is dangerous to keep old food around like that. But she claims they never get sick. I think one of these days they are going to poison themselves with this behavior. Her husband doesn't see anything wrong with this behavior.
Her house is always clean and neat as a pin. Her kitchen pantry is a total mess. Hundreds of cans of food. When they remodeled her Lake Forest, IL home several years ago she had a huge pantry installed. When she buys string beans in a can she won't buy just one can, she'll buy 25 of them. Why? Oh, it was on sale.
In her kitchen she has a SubZero refrigerator. It is packed so tight with food you can't take one thing out with lots of other items falling out with it. Most everything is out of code date.
Last time we were there, I asked if she had any sour cream for my baked potato. She gave me a container of sour cream that was a month and a half past it's exp. date. She said "Oh, it's still good". I passed on it.
Then in the basement she has two deep freezes and another large GE double door refrigerator that is as packed as the SubZero upstairs is.
I finally told her and her husband that this is dangerous to keep old food around like that. But she claims they never get sick. I think one of these days they are going to poison themselves with this behavior. Her husband doesn't see anything wrong with this behavior.
polkanut
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Sounds like your brother-in-law has the same issues.
joeinfl
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Can it be recycled?
If this was directed at my comment let me explain, not that it really matters.
I was commenting on the following statement made in the original post:
"Old magazines, junk mail, grocery coupons clipped in 1997 and never redeemed - tons upon tons upon tons of it. It is costing thousands of dollars to have this stuff hauled away, just at a time when I needed my savings most."
My suggestion to recycle was so that there was no expense to get rid of all the paper. To avoid having to PAY to get rid of lots of worthless paper, recycle it instead. Depending on the area you live in, they may have a program to pick it up so that it does not have to be transported car load by car load.
That is all.
If this was directed at my comment let me explain, not that it really matters.
I was commenting on the following statement made in the original post:
"Old magazines, junk mail, grocery coupons clipped in 1997 and never redeemed - tons upon tons upon tons of it. It is costing thousands of dollars to have this stuff hauled away, just at a time when I needed my savings most."
My suggestion to recycle was so that there was no expense to get rid of all the paper. To avoid having to PAY to get rid of lots of worthless paper, recycle it instead. Depending on the area you live in, they may have a program to pick it up so that it does not have to be transported car load by car load.
That is all.
It wasn't about you, its about Sandy
Imagine 2,000 square feet of paper, office records from a medical practice, storage units and then decide how much you can physically and emotionally dissect when you're being evicted and still trying to work full time. It is all about Sandy, not a trunk load of paper you might be able to beg someone to come and get after 40 phone inquiries. The bigger offer would have been monies in triple digits and trucks with dual axles.
Imagine 2,000 square feet of paper, office records from a medical practice, storage units and then decide how much you can physically and emotionally dissect when you're being evicted and still trying to work full time. It is all about Sandy, not a trunk load of paper you might be able to beg someone to come and get after 40 phone inquiries. The bigger offer would have been monies in triple digits and trucks with dual axles.
toggleswitch2
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The hardest part of cleaning up after a hoarder is the fear that there MIGHT be one important document in the thousands that one may not want seen by the outside world, or maybe otheriwse personal. At some point one gives up and just runs it ALL through the shredder. Those really afflicted often say. "I can't throw it out without going through it, there may be some money hidden in there". There never is.
My relative was so bad she could not close the bathroom door from all the crap taking reisdence on it. We could not eat on her dining room table and she had only a small poriton of her double bed upon which to stretch out for the night.
Above and beyond to all was the fire hazard in the ancinet old brownstone-type buildng on a GAS stove with pilot lights were:
Stacks of napkins taken form shitty restaurants. Nail-polish remover. Crosses of dried-out palm leaves from chuch, newspaper clippings in a styrofoam supermarket meat-tray. (We had ZERO success in getting her to remove flammables from the stove-top and oven).
The couch was a yard/meter away from the wall and packed to the gills behind it with worthless papers.
G.D. it ! If you are gonna hoard and leave someone else to clean it up, could it at least be something that is readily converted to cash? Gold, jewely, pearls, stock? Nope NEVER.
Perhaps parents should stress which papers have value and what is toilet-paper early on in a child's life.
Sandy, as always, best wishes. You have done a hugely good deed for the universe and I pray you will be repaid tenfold sooner rather than later.
My relative was so bad she could not close the bathroom door from all the crap taking reisdence on it. We could not eat on her dining room table and she had only a small poriton of her double bed upon which to stretch out for the night.
Above and beyond to all was the fire hazard in the ancinet old brownstone-type buildng on a GAS stove with pilot lights were:
Stacks of napkins taken form shitty restaurants. Nail-polish remover. Crosses of dried-out palm leaves from chuch, newspaper clippings in a styrofoam supermarket meat-tray. (We had ZERO success in getting her to remove flammables from the stove-top and oven).
The couch was a yard/meter away from the wall and packed to the gills behind it with worthless papers.
G.D. it ! If you are gonna hoard and leave someone else to clean it up, could it at least be something that is readily converted to cash? Gold, jewely, pearls, stock? Nope NEVER.
Perhaps parents should stress which papers have value and what is toilet-paper early on in a child's life.
Sandy, as always, best wishes. You have done a hugely good deed for the universe and I pray you will be repaid tenfold sooner rather than later.
toggleswitch2
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Fear (of loss) and greed are tremendous human motivators.
With regard to the fear that there may be something of value hidden in the piles of crap:
One must simply say, it hasn't been needed or missed in years, it won't matter and can be replaced. Buh, bye!
Burn, baby burn.
With regard to the fear that there may be something of value hidden in the piles of crap:
One must simply say, it hasn't been needed or missed in years, it won't matter and can be replaced. Buh, bye!
Burn, baby burn.
polkanut
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This past spring when we were cleaning out my wife's uncle's house, he fortunately lived out in the country and had a burn barrel. I spent 3 days burning 50yrs worth of receipts, tax returns, cancelled checks, wedding invitations, and church financial statements. This was in addition to all the Outdoor Life, Reader's Digest, and other accumulated junk mail. I can feel for you Sandy.
danemodsandy
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Oooooooooooooh!
"...he fortunately lived out in the country and had a burn barrel."
Ooh, Tim -
You said the "B" word! I would give an eye for a burn barrel and the freedom to use it.
"...he fortunately lived out in the country and had a burn barrel."
Ooh, Tim -
You said the "B" word! I would give an eye for a burn barrel and the freedom to use it.
polkanut
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All that glitters is not golden though,
There are restrictions, such as no burning during certain times of the day, no Sunday burning, a yearly burning permit (no cost though), and no burning at all when the Dept. of Natural Resources declares a fire danger. So far this summer, we've not had a high fire danger, so no ban.
There are restrictions, such as no burning during certain times of the day, no Sunday burning, a yearly burning permit (no cost though), and no burning at all when the Dept. of Natural Resources declares a fire danger. So far this summer, we've not had a high fire danger, so no ban.
toggleswitch2
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ok boys being the bit-city boy that I am...
what is a burn barrel? linkie? pics?
Is it just a 55-gallon drum on two cinderblocks?
what is a burn barrel? linkie? pics?
Is it just a 55-gallon drum on two cinderblocks?
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polkanut
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You got it,
It also has a few holes punctured in it to give the fire more oxygen.
It also has a few holes punctured in it to give the fire more oxygen.
polkanut
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I forgot to post it above that some people put a lightweight grate over the top to prevent sparks from flying all over the place. The barrel Uncle Edmund had also had a cover, which was nothing more than the end of the barrel, with a piece of pipe bolted on for a handle to keep out the rain and snow. When I first lit the barrel in Spring, a couple of mice came running out. They must have built a nest in there during the winter.
Recycler Pickup
It would be extremely helpful if JoeinFl would post the information referred to for recylers. Its a wonderful convenience to have a service that will come and pick up larger amounts of recycling free of charge. Who knows how much quality product ends up in the dump. Could you please list the number and online contact information for these services. If you could provide the link it into a state by state directory we could all avail ourselves of such a useful service.
Thanks,
Mixfinder
It would be extremely helpful if JoeinFl would post the information referred to for recylers. Its a wonderful convenience to have a service that will come and pick up larger amounts of recycling free of charge. Who knows how much quality product ends up in the dump. Could you please list the number and online contact information for these services. If you could provide the link it into a state by state directory we could all avail ourselves of such a useful service.
Thanks,
Mixfinder
joeinfl
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In Atlanta it's the Dept of Public Works. Just mark items clearly as recycling and put them out on the recycling day. For large amounts, I would call and give them a heads up. If it's a really large amount, they may work out a special pick up for it. Containers should be 45 - 50 gallon capacity since they have to be picked up by a person.
The link below has the info and phone numbers for Atlanta.
I just did a web search in Google for "bulk recycling pick up" and then put in the city that you are looking for. Hope that's helpful.
http://www.atlantaga.gov/government/publicworks/recycleinfo_061107.aspx
The link below has the info and phone numbers for Atlanta.
I just did a web search in Google for "bulk recycling pick up" and then put in the city that you are looking for. Hope that's helpful.
http://www.atlantaga.gov/government/publicworks/recycleinfo_061107.aspx
toggleswitch2
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~Often persons who "hoard" are trying to make up for some sort of feeling of not having in the past.
In my great-aunt, I believed it was because she was barren. Needed to fill (overstuff, really) the "womb" with something.
In my great-aunt, I believed it was because she was barren. Needed to fill (overstuff, really) the "womb" with something.
My fix was in a game
My experience follows.. I am not a hoarder nor were my parents. But when my parents ultimately passed away in quick succession I ended up the contents of the house, materials and furniture and both grandparents, a late uncle as well as my own materials. Lots of stuff dating back to about 1955. I was so overwhelmed. What to save? What to throw?
IN ADDITION I assisted other needy parties with cleaning out hoarders. I am helpful with a strong back and ability to comment with some knowledge as to what to save and what not.
However, in my case I would sit in my basement and not know where to start. This is going to sound stupid. What I did was set a goal to throw away ONE IRREFUTABLE piece of garbage. Find something. Anything! Absolutely determine it is garbage and throw it away. One chipped glass, one piece of newspaper. Look at it, be comfortable with its being garbage and throw it away. Continue until bored. Don't overwork it.
This worked for me because I had TIME. However, lo and behold the piles started coming down with the good stuff being distilled out to last. However, when I had a free moment, I would go downstairs, try to find one thing that was absolutely garbage, throw it away and then get on with my day.
...My advice and a dime won't get you a cup of coffee - but my experience it was.
My experience follows.. I am not a hoarder nor were my parents. But when my parents ultimately passed away in quick succession I ended up the contents of the house, materials and furniture and both grandparents, a late uncle as well as my own materials. Lots of stuff dating back to about 1955. I was so overwhelmed. What to save? What to throw?
IN ADDITION I assisted other needy parties with cleaning out hoarders. I am helpful with a strong back and ability to comment with some knowledge as to what to save and what not.
However, in my case I would sit in my basement and not know where to start. This is going to sound stupid. What I did was set a goal to throw away ONE IRREFUTABLE piece of garbage. Find something. Anything! Absolutely determine it is garbage and throw it away. One chipped glass, one piece of newspaper. Look at it, be comfortable with its being garbage and throw it away. Continue until bored. Don't overwork it.
This worked for me because I had TIME. However, lo and behold the piles started coming down with the good stuff being distilled out to last. However, when I had a free moment, I would go downstairs, try to find one thing that was absolutely garbage, throw it away and then get on with my day.
...My advice and a dime won't get you a cup of coffee - but my experience it was.
gyrafoam
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The show airs tomorrow night. Since I've had a lot of time to think about it, I am excited to see it.
I think it will be very interesting.
I think it will be very interesting.
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