Did someone say pictures? Here are a few of the old gal. She's hot as hell!
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norgeway
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Now THAT!
Is a REAL furnace, those are called up shot burners, they are cast iron and will truly last forever, much more dependable and quiet than the junk made today.
Is a REAL furnace, those are called up shot burners, they are cast iron and will truly last forever, much more dependable and quiet than the junk made today.
Yep it's just like that one in the video. You wouldn't believe how good that thing looks up inside and in the exchanger. It very well may still be running when I'm an old man.
lordkenmore
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I have to admit I have mixed feelings about modern vs old furnaces. A part of me is intrigued by the idea of being able to get more heat for less money using a modern furnace. But I shudder at the thought of how much can go wrong in a modern furnace, and how much it could cost to fix. If it can be fixed. I can easily imagine control board failure, with a NLA part in 10 years...
Past that, one thing that I don't think is considered as much as it should be is how much energy savings will actually take place in a specific situation. Houses vary. Climate varies hugely across the US. Usage varies. It seems entirely possible that the cost of replacing a furnace in some cases (e.g. well insulated house, mild climate, conservative heating) won't return meaningful payback as for energy use.
Past that, one thing that I don't think is considered as much as it should be is how much energy savings will actually take place in a specific situation. Houses vary. Climate varies hugely across the US. Usage varies. It seems entirely possible that the cost of replacing a furnace in some cases (e.g. well insulated house, mild climate, conservative heating) won't return meaningful payback as for energy use.
Agree John~
I would think that you would have to keep the system for at least 15 to 20 years to break even with the "savings". And if the unit (condenser or furnace) should need service or replacement you would then be in the hole so to speak on your original goal of the investment.
You hear the talk from the scam artist that new gas furnaces heat up the heat exchanger much faster. I always reply that the older cast iron heat exchangers took longer to cool off so you would be getting the heat with the gas burner being off.
I grew up in a home in New Orleans that had a 1960's Carrier Two-Stage Furnace. It was the first ever Two-Stage Gas Furnace made. It was built like a tank! When the original Carrier Condenser failed in 2006 my Dad decided to replace the whole system with a new Trane System. Their power bill went up considerably in both the Summer and Winter. My Dad was so pissed because the Trane replacement cost a small fortune and the compressor had to be replaced twice under warranty.
I would think that you would have to keep the system for at least 15 to 20 years to break even with the "savings". And if the unit (condenser or furnace) should need service or replacement you would then be in the hole so to speak on your original goal of the investment.
You hear the talk from the scam artist that new gas furnaces heat up the heat exchanger much faster. I always reply that the older cast iron heat exchangers took longer to cool off so you would be getting the heat with the gas burner being off.
I grew up in a home in New Orleans that had a 1960's Carrier Two-Stage Furnace. It was the first ever Two-Stage Gas Furnace made. It was built like a tank! When the original Carrier Condenser failed in 2006 my Dad decided to replace the whole system with a new Trane System. Their power bill went up considerably in both the Summer and Winter. My Dad was so pissed because the Trane replacement cost a small fortune and the compressor had to be replaced twice under warranty.
lordkenmore
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>I would think that you would have to keep the system for at least 15 to 20 years to break even with the "savings". And if the unit (condenser or furnace) should need service or replacement you would then be in the hole so to speak on your original goal of the investment.
And I think it's interesting to note that IIRC 15 years is the quoted life expectancy of a new furnace. So basically it's quite likely one will get done paying off the old one with energy savings just in time to have the fun and joy of replacing it, and starting the cycle all over again.
And I think it's interesting to note that IIRC 15 years is the quoted life expectancy of a new furnace. So basically it's quite likely one will get done paying off the old one with energy savings just in time to have the fun and joy of replacing it, and starting the cycle all over again.
Thermo Pride Today
I find it interesting to see that Thermo Pride still builds the 80% Gas Furnace with the same specifications as the vintage furnaces of yesterday. The only thing that I notice that is different is the Burner. They call it a "Wayne" Burner. I looked it up and it looks a lot like an oil burner. I am curious how it works.
I find it interesting to see that Thermo Pride still builds the 80% Gas Furnace with the same specifications as the vintage furnaces of yesterday. The only thing that I notice that is different is the Burner. They call it a "Wayne" Burner. I looked it up and it looks a lot like an oil burner. I am curious how it works.
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I've lived in a few houses here in Ireland that were heated with oil. The only downside to it is having to remember to re-order the oil! I forgot once or twice and woke up to a cold house as I'd become too used to natural gas.
The systems here are normally hydronic (water filled radiators). So, you'd have a pressure-jet oil boiler about the size of a washing machine. The newer ones are often now condensing boilers and only require very minimal flues and are often housed outside the house in a self-contained unit.
A lot of homes here that were built with oil-fired heating in mind would have a small boiler room outside. The very oldest type often has the boiler room built as a small shed, physically separated from the house as this was required in the older building regulations due to a perception of fire risk.
We don't burn fuel oil though (illegal due to possibilities of emissions) so, it's normally "Jet A1 kero"which is a form of kerosine or aviation fuel.
This is an English plumber's video looking through an outdoor Grant Engineering boiler. They're Ireland's leading manufacturer of this kind of gear.
http://grantengineering.ie/high-eff...cts/best-oil-boiler-brand/outdoor-oil-boiler/
These things go up to 240,000 Btu/h
The systems here are normally hydronic (water filled radiators). So, you'd have a pressure-jet oil boiler about the size of a washing machine. The newer ones are often now condensing boilers and only require very minimal flues and are often housed outside the house in a self-contained unit.
A lot of homes here that were built with oil-fired heating in mind would have a small boiler room outside. The very oldest type often has the boiler room built as a small shed, physically separated from the house as this was required in the older building regulations due to a perception of fire risk.
We don't burn fuel oil though (illegal due to possibilities of emissions) so, it's normally "Jet A1 kero"which is a form of kerosine or aviation fuel.
This is an English plumber's video looking through an outdoor Grant Engineering boiler. They're Ireland's leading manufacturer of this kind of gear.
http://grantengineering.ie/high-eff...cts/best-oil-boiler-brand/outdoor-oil-boiler/
These things go up to 240,000 Btu/h
Our house had a '68 Chrysler Air Temp, and I ok with having it for a few winter and update as needed..
The first few weeks, of having it, wasn't happy with it.. It was way oversized for the house.. So, this is what we had.. turn it on, and took some time for it to heat up and run the blower.. Once it was going, blast of heat out of the vents, and really could feel the cloud of heat coming down to the family room downstairs!!! Our bedroom is at the end above the garage, and it was cold. As it was oversized, it ran a short cycle. The gaas budget bill was $120 a month.
The fan motor was getting pretty loud, and gave out. Re called the dealer in and get a bid, and house called for 60k BTU furnace. We installed a two stage Trane XV90, and what a HUGE change in comfort in the house.. The furnace runs 1st stage most of the time, and temps in the house is much more even, and longer run time now lets the bedrooms get warmer. Our gas budget plan dropped down to $70 a month.
The first few weeks, of having it, wasn't happy with it.. It was way oversized for the house.. So, this is what we had.. turn it on, and took some time for it to heat up and run the blower.. Once it was going, blast of heat out of the vents, and really could feel the cloud of heat coming down to the family room downstairs!!! Our bedroom is at the end above the garage, and it was cold. As it was oversized, it ran a short cycle. The gaas budget bill was $120 a month.
The fan motor was getting pretty loud, and gave out. Re called the dealer in and get a bid, and house called for 60k BTU furnace. We installed a two stage Trane XV90, and what a HUGE change in comfort in the house.. The furnace runs 1st stage most of the time, and temps in the house is much more even, and longer run time now lets the bedrooms get warmer. Our gas budget plan dropped down to $70 a month.
Sad from the beginning...
Jay,
What really sucks was the original install.
There was really nothing wrong with your Chrysler Unit. If they would have sized it correct from the beginning you would not have had all the expense of replacing it.
I loved the old Chrysler furnace cabinets. They were neat colors...on top of being great furnaces!
Many are still going strong today. It is all about the install. So many people trust installers that don't have a clue what they are talking about.
Scary.
B
Jay,
What really sucks was the original install.
There was really nothing wrong with your Chrysler Unit. If they would have sized it correct from the beginning you would not have had all the expense of replacing it.
I loved the old Chrysler furnace cabinets. They were neat colors...on top of being great furnaces!
Many are still going strong today. It is all about the install. So many people trust installers that don't have a clue what they are talking about.
Scary.
B
norgeway
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Iron Fireman
Made a great oil furnace in the 40s and 50s called the Vortex, the basic design was a standard high pressure oil burner that had the nozzle turned up instead of straight...in other words the blast tube of the burner pointed up, right in the center of the firebox, it made for a clean burning beautiful flame, in about 1960 they introduced a contraption that was supposed to be the most efficient cleanest burning oil furnace ever made.....it COULD be, but only if set up with combustion testing instruments,it had a big fan about like a upright vacuum fan, except steel and about 14 or 15 inches in diameter,it was mounted on the flue of the heat exchanger, basically it sucked the air over the fire instead of blowing it over the fire as in most all other burners, great efficiency, but let it get out of adjustment and soot city!!!I serviced many of them, I was taught the right .ay to service them by Mr James T Jones who ran the Furnace service for Barringer oil Co and was a Iron Firemen Dealer
Made a great oil furnace in the 40s and 50s called the Vortex, the basic design was a standard high pressure oil burner that had the nozzle turned up instead of straight...in other words the blast tube of the burner pointed up, right in the center of the firebox, it made for a clean burning beautiful flame, in about 1960 they introduced a contraption that was supposed to be the most efficient cleanest burning oil furnace ever made.....it COULD be, but only if set up with combustion testing instruments,it had a big fan about like a upright vacuum fan, except steel and about 14 or 15 inches in diameter,it was mounted on the flue of the heat exchanger, basically it sucked the air over the fire instead of blowing it over the fire as in most all other burners, great efficiency, but let it get out of adjustment and soot city!!!I serviced many of them, I was taught the right .ay to service them by Mr James T Jones who ran the Furnace service for Barringer oil Co and was a Iron Firemen Dealer
norgeway
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But my VERY FAVORITE
Oil burner of all is the vaporizing or pot type burner, the type with a carburetor or oil control valve, the oil is heated to the boiling point and the vapors burn a beautiful blue color like a gas flame, these were used mostly in oil heaters and vintage floor furnaces, although Perfection made a large house furnace called the Superflex that used a pot type burner, SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE!!
Oil burner of all is the vaporizing or pot type burner, the type with a carburetor or oil control valve, the oil is heated to the boiling point and the vapors burn a beautiful blue color like a gas flame, these were used mostly in oil heaters and vintage floor furnaces, although Perfection made a large house furnace called the Superflex that used a pot type burner, SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE!!
As a kid, we had those pot type kerosene burners in a Sears water heater and Sears combination with gas stove. Never had any problems. My father would replace wicks in the kitchen stove once a year, I just remember the stove in the kitchen always stunk of kerosene when you first came in and it was on.
Jay no reinstal photo
I / we would had see some re-install pictures or videos of your new unit.
I truly think that you would have been okay with a re-venting situation.
It was your call...and the rest is history.
I hope it all works out for your adventure.
Wish you would have taken photo's of the full change out.
B
I / we would had see some re-install pictures or videos of your new unit.
I truly think that you would have been okay with a re-venting situation.
It was your call...and the rest is history.
I hope it all works out for your adventure.
Wish you would have taken photo's of the full change out.
B
