It may be a while before I'm all up and running .....
But I'll just sit here and wait with the young whipper snappers !
But I'll just sit here and wait with the young whipper snappers !
Hoover keymatic slowly coming back to life
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supermaticjames
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Lovely machine, I wish I could experience one if not own one. Is that a 9544? Is it 1000 or 1200? I wouldn't mind one of those either LOL!
keymatic3203
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Hi Ricky
Great to see you've got this lovely machine out, replaced the door boot and got it tumbling.
I know weve talked before on here about the problems with the spinning, and agree with Gizmo about possible solutions. I have been thinking today about what else you could do. provided its not just a matter of lubrication, and I think from earlier efforts some time ago it wasn't. could you determine if it's the pulley or the rollers thats warn.
I was just thinking also that if the pulley was ok, then removing the rollers would enable you to have pulsator action as well as tumbling. Then if it were a matter of finding new rollers then would dismantling a suitable taper roller bearing offer a source of rollers.
Also if its the pulley, then the centre is a phospher bronze bush, which could in theory be replaced, though in practice I don't know how easy that would be.
One other thought, when the machine is full and the tub is free to hang on its suspension, the water level is just below the door opening. It fill to 2/3rds when the tumbling starts then continues filling, submeging the pulsator.
I only say this as untill we got the valves working, I had only been filling to the first level and therefore thinking the pulsator wouldn't be very effective, which when under the water level certainly is.
Anyway these are the thoughts following an afternoon of daydreams, I'm sure we all know the sort!
All the best when you next have a chance to have a further look
mathew
Great to see you've got this lovely machine out, replaced the door boot and got it tumbling.
I know weve talked before on here about the problems with the spinning, and agree with Gizmo about possible solutions. I have been thinking today about what else you could do. provided its not just a matter of lubrication, and I think from earlier efforts some time ago it wasn't. could you determine if it's the pulley or the rollers thats warn.
I was just thinking also that if the pulley was ok, then removing the rollers would enable you to have pulsator action as well as tumbling. Then if it were a matter of finding new rollers then would dismantling a suitable taper roller bearing offer a source of rollers.
Also if its the pulley, then the centre is a phospher bronze bush, which could in theory be replaced, though in practice I don't know how easy that would be.
One other thought, when the machine is full and the tub is free to hang on its suspension, the water level is just below the door opening. It fill to 2/3rds when the tumbling starts then continues filling, submeging the pulsator.
I only say this as untill we got the valves working, I had only been filling to the first level and therefore thinking the pulsator wouldn't be very effective, which when under the water level certainly is.
Anyway these are the thoughts following an afternoon of daydreams, I'm sure we all know the sort!
All the best when you next have a chance to have a further look
mathew
keymatic3203
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forgot to say
That pusator cluch drive plate and housing look brand new, and I did notice the `patented round the world' clothes peg to hold the brake off, though I didn't have you down as the type to use plastic pegs, not very 60's lol.
Just great to see you've been enjoying it.
Mathew
That pusator cluch drive plate and housing look brand new, and I did notice the `patented round the world' clothes peg to hold the brake off, though I didn't have you down as the type to use plastic pegs, not very 60's lol.
Just great to see you've been enjoying it.
Mathew
slowspin66
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keymatic spinning
Hi Richard good progress has been made. What i remember about the clutch is that if there is any play in the pulleys then the bronze/copper bush will be the culprit. There are 4 slots in the bush with the clutch rollers and spring mechanisms. The spin pulley will have play when moved from side to side, hands at 9 o'clock and 3 o clock. Obviously this one wears at a different rate to the wash part of the bush due to the speed difference. The bush is connected to the tub drive shaft with an allen screw.
The bronze bush is a softer metal than the steel pulleys or clutch rollers so tend to wear sooner.
Nothing is too difficult to get repaired !!! It may need re machining. Darren
Hi Richard good progress has been made. What i remember about the clutch is that if there is any play in the pulleys then the bronze/copper bush will be the culprit. There are 4 slots in the bush with the clutch rollers and spring mechanisms. The spin pulley will have play when moved from side to side, hands at 9 o'clock and 3 o clock. Obviously this one wears at a different rate to the wash part of the bush due to the speed difference. The bush is connected to the tub drive shaft with an allen screw.
The bronze bush is a softer metal than the steel pulleys or clutch rollers so tend to wear sooner.
Nothing is too difficult to get repaired !!! It may need re machining. Darren
keymatic3203
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Darren
you've jogged my memory now, your right, it's the sleeve over the drum shaft containing the rollers is the bronze bearing material, whilst the cast pulleys are machined out.
I've been trying to find the old thread from a few years back when we changed the bearings in one, to find some photos of the parts.
mathew
you've jogged my memory now, your right, it's the sleeve over the drum shaft containing the rollers is the bronze bearing material, whilst the cast pulleys are machined out.
I've been trying to find the old thread from a few years back when we changed the bearings in one, to find some photos of the parts.
mathew
syndets2000
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looking at...
....this machine, I think of something like a British Westinghouse, and they look like awesome washers- did these have a dryer to match it too? Enjoy! Robert
....this machine, I think of something like a British Westinghouse, and they look like awesome washers- did these have a dryer to match it too? Enjoy! Robert
I'm new to this forum. Came accross it trying to find the capacitor specifications for early Hoover Keymatic as the one I have is very corroded and the specifications printed on it are illegible.
Assistance would be very much appreciated.
Keymatics were very cleverly designed machines, mobile, minimal water use and facility for heating the water. All handy features for small accomodation in London at the time, the market, I have been told, which it was aimed at by Mr. Colston.
Assistance would be very much appreciated.
Keymatics were very cleverly designed machines, mobile, minimal water use and facility for heating the water. All handy features for small accomodation in London at the time, the market, I have been told, which it was aimed at by Mr. Colston.
Keymatic
Unfortunately I cannot help with the capacitor specification although there are those who should have the knowledge when they see the thread.
I believe that you are mistaken about the marketing of the machine as it is likely that Charles Colston (effectively the "founder" of Hoover UK) retired before the Keymatic was even on the drawing board - I think the comments you refer to were actually about the Hoover A307 single tub machine for whom its compact size was one of the marketing features as can be seen in the film below
This was indeed a very valid point as the vast majority of UK kitchens that emerged in the housing boom of the 1920s and 30s were absolutely tiny, so storage was a real issue. It was only when post WW2 when housing regulations were changed to specify kitchens of a more useful size, particularly in public housing.
And that continued at least until 1958 when the Hoovermatic was introduced, and as usual with Hoover, very heavily promoted, as can be seen below
Actually as its stands the slant fronted Keymatic had about the same practical "footprint" as its main competitor at the time the English Electric Liberator, the Parnall/Thor models although it was rather smaller than the Bendix machines.
Much as I love all the Keymatics I don't believe the slant front was necessarily a clever design, more of an interesting one, and in many respects over-engineered for what it needed to be - and as a consequence they were not noted for reliability. Unfortunately I do not know enough about the machines to say how much the design of the Keymatic was influenced by the Westinghouse Laundramat machines to which it bears some similarities although very much smaller.
There was no equivalent dryer for the slant front Keymatics, and indeed Hoover did not manufacture dryers until the introduction of the "matchbox" series of machines in 1972/73, the matching dryer to the wide body Automatic and Keymatic machines was manufactured by English Electric, this model having its design origins in (surprise surprise) Westinghouse models
Al
Unfortunately I cannot help with the capacitor specification although there are those who should have the knowledge when they see the thread.
I believe that you are mistaken about the marketing of the machine as it is likely that Charles Colston (effectively the "founder" of Hoover UK) retired before the Keymatic was even on the drawing board - I think the comments you refer to were actually about the Hoover A307 single tub machine for whom its compact size was one of the marketing features as can be seen in the film below
This was indeed a very valid point as the vast majority of UK kitchens that emerged in the housing boom of the 1920s and 30s were absolutely tiny, so storage was a real issue. It was only when post WW2 when housing regulations were changed to specify kitchens of a more useful size, particularly in public housing.
And that continued at least until 1958 when the Hoovermatic was introduced, and as usual with Hoover, very heavily promoted, as can be seen below
Actually as its stands the slant fronted Keymatic had about the same practical "footprint" as its main competitor at the time the English Electric Liberator, the Parnall/Thor models although it was rather smaller than the Bendix machines.
Much as I love all the Keymatics I don't believe the slant front was necessarily a clever design, more of an interesting one, and in many respects over-engineered for what it needed to be - and as a consequence they were not noted for reliability. Unfortunately I do not know enough about the machines to say how much the design of the Keymatic was influenced by the Westinghouse Laundramat machines to which it bears some similarities although very much smaller.
There was no equivalent dryer for the slant front Keymatics, and indeed Hoover did not manufacture dryers until the introduction of the "matchbox" series of machines in 1972/73, the matching dryer to the wide body Automatic and Keymatic machines was manufactured by English Electric, this model having its design origins in (surprise surprise) Westinghouse models
Al
I think the capacitor would have been around 20 microfarad, 450 volts ac. This site offer to look up the correct one for you:
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Hello the machine is in storage at moment I'll have a look when I get chance but it may be a while good luck
Hello the machine is in storage at moment I'll have a look when I get chance but it may be a while good luck
hoover keymatic 3224
Dear All
at least I found a 3224 Keymatic! Can anyone help me in finding some spares? I am looking for the door seal and the sump hoses.
I found some spares (pressure switch, impeller drive belt) at Electrical Sales Nelson ltd (UK). But they don't have rubber parts.
Please help!!!
Enjoy my video
Ben
Dear All
at least I found a 3224 Keymatic! Can anyone help me in finding some spares? I am looking for the door seal and the sump hoses.
I found some spares (pressure switch, impeller drive belt) at Electrical Sales Nelson ltd (UK). But they don't have rubber parts.
Please help!!!
Enjoy my video
Ben
