samsungfl
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Let me know what you guys think!
Richard
Let me know what you guys think!
Richard
Hoover Vision - Strange Noises! :S
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Whats the point with using so much detergent so it foams so much as on the picture? I never use so much detergent, and have almost NEVER so much foam in the wash cycle. But I always have clean clothes. Much foam is just bad for the wash result.
Timon
Timon
samsungfl
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Hiya!
timon09, I didnt use too much detergent it just got quite sudsy after a while, because the drum dosnt stop turning much during the cotton cycles that can happen sometimes, also it was a hot wash
mrx - Yeah funny you should ask that, I used some persil liquigel in the prewash of that cycle which got quite sudsy, maybe that mixed with the powder made it get so sudsy LOL Everything rinsed well though because once the cooldown stage started all the suds went so quickly LOL!! So there was no sudslocking either
Hope this helps!
Richard
timon09, I didnt use too much detergent it just got quite sudsy after a while, because the drum dosnt stop turning much during the cotton cycles that can happen sometimes, also it was a hot wash
mrx - Yeah funny you should ask that, I used some persil liquigel in the prewash of that cycle which got quite sudsy, maybe that mixed with the powder made it get so sudsy LOL Everything rinsed well though because once the cooldown stage started all the suds went so quickly LOL!! So there was no sudslocking either
Hope this helps!
Richard
Here's a pic of my Asko AM60Excellence, on a 95* wash(yes the temp was reached.) Almost no foam, and thats good, cause I dont like too much foam, and if it's much foam, the clothes dosent hit the drum "hard" enough to get the clothes as clean as possible...It's the same if the machine uses too much water... Like a American TL, I cant really understand how it cleans the clothes at all. Theyr'e almost just "dipped" in water, and splashed a bit around in lukewarm water and foam.
YAY for less water, less detergent, higher temps, and a bit smaller loads = CLEAN clothes!
YAY for less water, less detergent, higher temps, and a bit smaller loads = CLEAN clothes!
rolls_rapide
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High Water Levels
If you think of twin tub machines, they used a lot of water, but swirled the clothes thoroughly. It is the agitation that cleans the clothes.
Dyson discovered that too, that 15 mins agitation by hand, was as effective as 1 hour in the 'best' frontloader.
My mother and gran swore that the twin tubs outcleaned the frontloaders of the time (1970s).
If you think of twin tub machines, they used a lot of water, but swirled the clothes thoroughly. It is the agitation that cleans the clothes.
Dyson discovered that too, that 15 mins agitation by hand, was as effective as 1 hour in the 'best' frontloader.
My mother and gran swore that the twin tubs outcleaned the frontloaders of the time (1970s).
aeg03
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That's true agitation is the best. Water only suspends the clothes within it. That's why I believe my AEG with water jet provides a little agititation which helps shift some of the stains using very little water.
Probably the same with the Spin Rinses, provides agaitation in the rinse also.
Probably the same with the Spin Rinses, provides agaitation in the rinse also.
samsungfl
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I agree yeah, I'm one who likes "proof" when it comes to washing machines in terms of agitation and waterlevels, which is one of the reasons at the time why I didnt like the Zanussi I had, I found on Cotton cycles that the pauses in between tumbles where far to long and inappropriate for cottons and the rinse levels levels also proved terrible for me because unless the extra quick button was selected, sometimes the water levels during the rinse could drop to being underneath the holes in the drum! So just enough water in for the Jetsystem to work which proved very poor results I found which was a shame because I thought the Jetsystem might compensate :
However on the Hoover Vision the drum on cotton cycles dosnt stop tumbling much during the wash (just enough time for it to stop swinging in between tumbles) throughout the cycle which works amazingly well in comparision to other washers Ive had in the past
Also, for rinsing I prefer a slower tumble action with more water, as to not whip any extra foam up in the rinse, which defeats the object of trying to rinse clothes I find, Personally I think spining is more suited to the wash, rather than the rinse - but hey, they are both equally as fun to watch LOL!
Richard
However on the Hoover Vision the drum on cotton cycles dosnt stop tumbling much during the wash (just enough time for it to stop swinging in between tumbles) throughout the cycle which works amazingly well in comparision to other washers Ive had in the past
Also, for rinsing I prefer a slower tumble action with more water, as to not whip any extra foam up in the rinse, which defeats the object of trying to rinse clothes I find, Personally I think spining is more suited to the wash, rather than the rinse - but hey, they are both equally as fun to watch LOL!
Richard
aeg03
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Samsungfl. I see what you are saying but when the machine does a spin in the rinse it causes a lot of turbulance and this in turn will drive water through the clothes to remove detergent. I have never had a prolem with the detergent removal in my AEG with Jet. If the mjachine senses that the load is not very absorbant then the Spin rinse will not happen, all to do with the electronics etc etc. I'd say the results have been on par with my previous Indesit which had a visable amount of water levels.
I'm suprised that your old Zanussi didn't alternate its tumbling times, my AEG has long and short pauses throughout, which is good because sometimes there is long pauses and most of the other times the pauses sould be 2 seconds before the drum turns the other way coupled with the jet spray. The drum also slows down slightly and speeds up during the wash.
The jet along with the automatic water level control means the jmachine doesn't use anymore water than it needs to - I'm a fan if low water levels which is why I bought a German machine.
I do like the Hoover Vision but I think its a shame that the machine does not have a water jet in it as the 2002 Vision model didn, this machine spayed the clothes and the machines drum went into distribution speed.
I'm suprised that your old Zanussi didn't alternate its tumbling times, my AEG has long and short pauses throughout, which is good because sometimes there is long pauses and most of the other times the pauses sould be 2 seconds before the drum turns the other way coupled with the jet spray. The drum also slows down slightly and speeds up during the wash.
The jet along with the automatic water level control means the jmachine doesn't use anymore water than it needs to - I'm a fan if low water levels which is why I bought a German machine.
I do like the Hoover Vision but I think its a shame that the machine does not have a water jet in it as the 2002 Vision model didn, this machine spayed the clothes and the machines drum went into distribution speed.
samsungfl
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Yeah I also thought it was strange that my Zanussi didnt change the tumbling action, I thought it would be simular to my cousins AEG but it wasnt tottaly diffrent and wasnt really enough to do a good job for some clothing 
From observation Zanussi seemed to be a somewhat "dumbed down" version of AEG's when it comes to wash cycles e.t.c, Because my Cousins L786810 machine is quite complex and changes the tumbling speed like yours aeg03, but the zanussi's dont
Personally Im quite glad my Hoover Vision dosnt have a water jet, I think my experience with them has put me off them to be honest!
Richard
From observation Zanussi seemed to be a somewhat "dumbed down" version of AEG's when it comes to wash cycles e.t.c, Because my Cousins L786810 machine is quite complex and changes the tumbling speed like yours aeg03, but the zanussi's dont
Personally Im quite glad my Hoover Vision dosnt have a water jet, I think my experience with them has put me off them to be honest!
Richard
aeg03
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Samsungfl
I've learnt something new today, I honestly thought that the AEG had the same wash tumbles as the Control Board is the same. It seems that the programming parameters are adapted by Electrolux for their brands.
How long do u think it will be until the Hoover manufacturing in the UK will be moved to Italy?
I have the program on video of the Hoover vacuum cleaner factory in Cambuslang before the factory was closed down.
As you know ur machine is an Italian one so it may not be long before all models are made in Italy.
AEG's are no longer made in Germany which is a great shame! I will not buy another AEG again.
I've learnt something new today, I honestly thought that the AEG had the same wash tumbles as the Control Board is the same. It seems that the programming parameters are adapted by Electrolux for their brands.
How long do u think it will be until the Hoover manufacturing in the UK will be moved to Italy?
I have the program on video of the Hoover vacuum cleaner factory in Cambuslang before the factory was closed down.
As you know ur machine is an Italian one so it may not be long before all models are made in Italy.
AEG's are no longer made in Germany which is a great shame! I will not buy another AEG again.
samsungfl
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Yeah its a great shame AEG arent made in Germany anymore, I hope their standards dont start to slip like Zanussi's have dramatically in my case!
I too think its strange that they have the same control board but do completley diffrent things LOL! I was watching a video of an AEG not so long ago and the Control Board/PCB was making exactly the same sounds as my Zanussi one used to LOL!
Amazing how they can be adapted to suit diffrent washers isnt it!?
Richard
I too think its strange that they have the same control board but do completley diffrent things LOL! I was watching a video of an AEG not so long ago and the Control Board/PCB was making exactly the same sounds as my Zanussi one used to LOL!
Amazing how they can be adapted to suit diffrent washers isnt it!?
Richard
aeg03
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Yeah it is. Which means my machine isn't truely German, even though it was made in Germany, it is more Italian than anything else.
The spin sequence on AEG and Zanussi is the same though!
Zanussi's are generally good so you must have been unlucky with your machine. If the quality of Zanussi was to go down, so would the AEG as they share the same components, thou one or two things may be different, like my AEG having terrible quality suspension legs whereas the Zanussi has higher quality ones.
The spin sequence on AEG and Zanussi is the same though!
Zanussi's are generally good so you must have been unlucky with your machine. If the quality of Zanussi was to go down, so would the AEG as they share the same components, thou one or two things may be different, like my AEG having terrible quality suspension legs whereas the Zanussi has higher quality ones.
samsungfl
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Yeah thats really strange, from the way mine jumped around I thought it was the opposite where the suspension legs were concerned LOL!
Though I read somewhere, not too sure if it was on here or not that AEG's have been being made in Italy, but the parts in Germany for years so I suppose it was a sign really that they were going to end up being made fully in Italy which is a shame!
I always liked it when AEG's king of stood out of the crowd from Zanussi's, but now you can see so many simularities in them from how they look, and now even how they work!" For example my Cousins AEG, which is almost a TOL model, has the weight sensor on display e.t.c has the exact same spin sequence as my Zanussi!
Richard
Though I read somewhere, not too sure if it was on here or not that AEG's have been being made in Italy, but the parts in Germany for years so I suppose it was a sign really that they were going to end up being made fully in Italy which is a shame!
I always liked it when AEG's king of stood out of the crowd from Zanussi's, but now you can see so many simularities in them from how they look, and now even how they work!"
For example my Cousins AEG, which is almost a TOL model, has the weight sensor on display e.t.c has the exact same spin sequence as my Zanussi!Richard
aeg03
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Samsungfl For years its been AEG's made in Germany and the parts made in Italy and shipped to Germany for assembly. It only was the AEG Washer driers that were made in Italy and these never said MADE IN GERMANY like the washers once did. Of course the washers no longer say MADE IN GERMANY. Lucky mine does though.
My machine in the brochure says it has Fuzzy Logic but I really don't think it has this at all, but theres no way of telling.
My AEG fills with a small bit of water then tumbles slowly for 30 seconds and then fills with water, don't know if this is part of the Fuzzy logic process? did ur Zanussi do this?
I think its a shame when a brand loses its identity. Like Hoypoint with Indesit, Bauknecjt with Whirlpool, AEG with Electrolux etc etc.
The only truely uniqe is Miele.
My machine in the brochure says it has Fuzzy Logic but I really don't think it has this at all, but theres no way of telling.
My AEG fills with a small bit of water then tumbles slowly for 30 seconds and then fills with water, don't know if this is part of the Fuzzy logic process? did ur Zanussi do this?
I think its a shame when a brand loses its identity. Like Hoypoint with Indesit, Bauknecjt with Whirlpool, AEG with Electrolux etc etc.
The only truely uniqe is Miele.
samsungfl
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My Zanussi never did anything like that LOL! AEG's have always seemed to me more complex like that! My Zanussi was very basic, didnt change anything throughout the cycle regardless of the load size or anything!
So for example on a full load 6kg load of towels, for the rinse again for example, it would fill without tumbling to the bottom rim of the drum, then start tumbling - and of course all the water would be absorbed and the machine wouldnt re-fill, like I say the water level would drop below the holes in the drum so there was only enough water in there to run the pump!
Quite appauling I think! Aeg's always seem very diffrent towards things like this and do it properly! Because Im all for saving water, but when theres actually no water in the drum and a Jetsystem spraying out soapy water over the clothes during rinse, it kind of turns you "anti jetsystem" LOL!
Hope this helps!
Richard
So for example on a full load 6kg load of towels, for the rinse again for example, it would fill without tumbling to the bottom rim of the drum, then start tumbling - and of course all the water would be absorbed and the machine wouldnt re-fill, like I say the water level would drop below the holes in the drum so there was only enough water in there to run the pump!
Quite appauling I think! Aeg's always seem very diffrent towards things like this and do it properly! Because Im all for saving water, but when theres actually no water in the drum and a Jetsystem spraying out soapy water over the clothes during rinse, it kind of turns you "anti jetsystem" LOL!
Hope this helps!
Richard
aeg03
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That's quite poor for the Zanussi to be like that. I'm so surprised I honestly thought it was the same as the AEG. My 1996 Indesit used to fill and then start tumbling onc filled up, the water level would drop but the machine was quite sesivtive and always compensate with more water if required, but it hardly re filled with more.
My AEG never re fills with more water een if you see the water jet struggling, only when washing duvets, does the machine fill with some more water if the level gets way, waaayy too low.
The only part my AEG does not do distribution fills is when its only final rinse cycle with the fabric conditioner, it fills and tumles as normal. The fabric conditioner part always fills with water EVERY time the machine fills with water, this has been investigated by an engineer but still happens. So best for me to put in fabric conditioner just before the final rinse cycle.
Also no distribution fills when on quick cycle.
My AEG never re fills with more water een if you see the water jet struggling, only when washing duvets, does the machine fill with some more water if the level gets way, waaayy too low.
The only part my AEG does not do distribution fills is when its only final rinse cycle with the fabric conditioner, it fills and tumles as normal. The fabric conditioner part always fills with water EVERY time the machine fills with water, this has been investigated by an engineer but still happens. So best for me to put in fabric conditioner just before the final rinse cycle.
Also no distribution fills when on quick cycle.
rolls_rapide
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Low water levels on rinses.
Maybe a redesign of washing machines is in order.
We know that fabric conditioner suppresses suds, so why not design a machine with an automated dispenser that injects a small/tiny amount of conditioner in every rinse, rather than simply adding a larger amount in the final rinse.
The suppression of foam would allow jetsystem features to work more effectively, and prevent a mountain of foam during rinse-spins and inter-rinse spinning.
Alternatively, detergents could be better formulated, using surfactants less likely to foam up. If they can do it for dishwasher detergents, they can do it for laundry detergents.
Maybe a redesign of washing machines is in order.
We know that fabric conditioner suppresses suds, so why not design a machine with an automated dispenser that injects a small/tiny amount of conditioner in every rinse, rather than simply adding a larger amount in the final rinse.
The suppression of foam would allow jetsystem features to work more effectively, and prevent a mountain of foam during rinse-spins and inter-rinse spinning.
Alternatively, detergents could be better formulated, using surfactants less likely to foam up. If they can do it for dishwasher detergents, they can do it for laundry detergents.
samsungfl
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Thats strange about your AEG filling up through the fabric conditioner dispenser everytime it fills! I always think its quite poor that they only re-fill with more water if the Jetsystem is struggling, because that means there is literally no water left in the machine, which is why I'd never go for another Zanussi, or AEG because I think theyve changed too much!
Rolls Rapide - yeah thats an intresting concept, to add a small amount of softener to each rinse! I'd imagine it to be quite effective as well as the smallest amount of it supresses foam quite a bit! You never know, maybe one day a manufactuter will produce a machine with that function!!
Richard
Rolls Rapide - yeah thats an intresting concept, to add a small amount of softener to each rinse! I'd imagine it to be quite effective as well as the smallest amount of it supresses foam quite a bit! You never know, maybe one day a manufactuter will produce a machine with that function!!
Richard
aeg03
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Should you ever worry about your Hoover making funny noises
Heres a clip of Candy machine (Guys who make Hoover) this machines motor sounds real rough but this is the kind of noise my old Servis used to make. Awful.
Heres a clip of Candy machine (Guys who make Hoover) this machines motor sounds real rough but this is the kind of noise my old Servis used to make. Awful.
