Hotpoint Empress - help needed please

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lydia

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Hi, I am attempting to fix an oil leak on my daughter's Hotpoint Empress (she is the lover of vintage machines so this is her login). I am attaching some photos of the dismantled machine. Our first major task was to remove the tub and gearbox which I could not get out in one piece as the wringer shaft was locked into the side compartment. We solved that by making a special tool to undo the central nut on the agitator which had become so oxidised that it was almost welded to together. That done, I now have the motor/gearbox/agitator out on the workbench to work on. I have rigged up the electrical connections and it runs beautifully quiet and smoothly.

Having cleaned it up to trace any oil leaks, it does not appear to be leaking from the bottom (cork) gasket, so I want to be more sure of the problem before I crack that open. It seems more likely that it is leaking during operation from the top-side shaft driving the agitator as that area was badly oil-and-dirt coated before cleaning. But first I would like some advice from those of you who have more experience with these machines. What I would like to know is:

1. Where do you fill the gearbox with oil, and how do you check if it is sufficiently full? I can measure about 2cm oil depth by removing the nut on the top/middle nearest the motor and using this as a dip hole. Is this enough oil? We believe that earlier in its life we did top it up, but may have over-filled it and this could have made the leak more evident if it expels oil when over-full.

2. It would be useful to know the purpose of the various nuts on the top and side of the gearbox casing. The two on top look as though they might adjust or be involved in the main bearings for the gears. The assembly on the side looks like a bearing adjuster for the motor shaft.

3. In the final photo, there is a small rubber top-hat shaped disk attached to the agitator shaft where it emerges from the gearbox. This was about 1/4" above the gearbox when I was cleaning, but assuming it was in part a seal for that bearing, I pushed it down onto the top of the gearbox. However, as a push-fit, I can't imagine this is going to be an effective seal against oil leak from that bearing, but may be more intended as a dust-cover. Does anyone know?

4. I have not been able to remove the agitator shaft from the gearbox. Removing the 3 nuts attaching the outer shaft to the top of the gearbox is only half the story. I think the square piece at the top must be removed - perhaps by drifting out a centre pin (there appear to be 2?). I may need to remove this so if anyone knows how please let me know.

Any help/advice greatly received. I will also need to find some new rubber mounting bushings when I re-assemble - and perhaps the rubber washers sealing the shaft to the tub.

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Hotpoint Empress Repairs

Hello Lydia a warm welcome to the AW club to you and your daughter, you really are getting stuck in with this workhorse of a wringer washing machine. These machines just go on and on and apart from topping up with oil if moved on its side the I have never known one that needed a complete strip down.

The tub on your Empress looks interesting as most of that era where of the aluminium hexagonal aluminium washtub and the later models last produced in the 70`s here had a light blue inner vitreous enamel tub.

Look forward to seeing how you get on with the repairs.

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Well done

Hello you have been very good to get this far ! Your daughter owes you a big reward ! I’ve never stripped one this that far. Quite often oil leaks are from loose joints so tighten all nuts. The picture I’ve added is where I think the oil goes. It was a white plastic nut remove this and fill oil. A gearbox oil is fine but you don’t need high pressure as it’s not under pressure and high pressure oil smells bad. One thing is to not tighten that nut up. Only tighten when moving or laying machine down. It’s meant to be a vent so if it’s been tightened previously perhaps pressure has built up and forced oil from joints. Fill it so if you dip a small stick in hole it should be about 2 cm from top. You can also oil the motor bearings. It could have a small circle at each end and the tip of an oil can pushes in to allow a few drops of oil.
I’d change all pipe work too. The pump might prove a challenge as mine was shot but I added a modern electric one and placed a switch in the cabinet.
One place where mine was leaking oil was near the drive shaft for the wringer. As the machine agitated the nut that was loose rocked back and forth and sort of pumped a little trickle of oil out. Tightening it cured the problem. I think mine might have been an earlier model. I’ve also added a picture of a bottle. This is a hair colour bottle from a salon supply store. They’re idea refill gearboxes as there is a tendency for oil to burp back out. So fill bottle and insert nozzle and squeeze. It will burp a bit but less than other methods.
Hope this helps a little

Richard



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Hi All, Many thanks for some helpful replies.

Chestermike - this model does indeed have a light blue vitreous enamel tub. Does that mean it dates from the 70's? We thought it was earlier. I will contact Mark Hill as I have not been able to find anything suitable to replace the rubber mounting bushes which have rotted through - probably from oil. I have bought some neoprene penny washers which I can stack to build up replacement bushes, but I think the rubber is too hard.

Ricky5050 - this is what I wanted to know - where to fill it and how much. I have taken out what looks like an M6 screw from the location in your picture (top of the wringer gear housing), and when I dip, I find very little oil. This screw had been sealed using plumbers PTFE tape, so clearly someone thought it should not breathe! It now seems to me that the gearbox is very low on oil, and I will buy some SAE 80W90 (saw that advice somewhere) and fill it as you suggest. However, to fill to 2cm from that hole would mean that the main body of the gearbox is full because the hole is at the top of the raised section of wringer gears. I fear that I may then have oil leaking from the agitator shaft and possibly from around the small pin that is lifted by a lever to disengage the agitator. I can already see oil glistening around this pin, but there is not enough to leak. Perhaps, as you say, allowing the filler plug to breathe will ensure no significant leakage. I will report back when I have tried it with this quantity of oil.

As for oiling the motor bearings, I don't see the small circles you refer to. Can you send a pic please? My motor appears to have the rotor attached to a shaft with bearings at both sides of the gearbox housing. The pump end of the motor has no bearing. As mentioned in my first post, I am not sure what the bolts at the far side of the motor shaft (bottom of the picture) do, so have not been brave enough to undo them! Fortunately, when last in use, the original pump seemed to work fine.
 
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Hello I guess until you try oil you won’t know if it leaks. I’m not sure if your motor has the oil ports if it does they are spring loaded caps just push oil nozzle in and a few squirts will be enough. See picture. This motor on mine is earlier.
Please note this motor is one I’ve googled not actually from machine but same make
Good luck.

Richard

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Oil leak

Hi Ricky5050. I have put in about 3/4 litre of 80W90 oil and have it filled to the level of the nut marked on the pic below. I removed this nut while filling as it allowed air to flow and reduced the "burp" effect you mentioned. Also, I figured it may be the intended "full" level being above the main casing, but below the filling hole you suggested. However, this is more than 2 cm below the fill hole, more like 4 cm.

The good news is that it still runs smoothly without any apparent leaks. I have put a loose-fitting screw in the fill hole with a lock-washer that allows air through.

The question now is, do you think I need to add more oil before I re-assemble the machine? There can be no more air-flow, and it will have to be dribble-by-dribble!

As for the motor, mine is quite different and there is no obvious way to oil the bearings. I suspect they use the gearbox oil as the bearings are on the sides of the gear casing.

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Well done

Hi I think it should be fine you could fill more oil so it’s up into the domed part. I’ve attached a picture from its sister machine the countess and it explains about the screw. It says to removed completely when in use. Later machines had a plastic screw with an an vent in so it was loosened but not removed. But I’d remove it once it’s at your daughters. Yes the motor is later you could probably dribble oil under pulley near front bearing if you felt it needs it.

Richard

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