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Hard to tell for certain, Mike

but the ridged shaft looks like the GE's --no screw cap right? You just slide it down snug.

Love your pix:

the one entitled "Filling" shows water currents. Does your beauty agitate during the fill???!!!! How cool.
then the icon on the dail showing a shower. Is that a spray rinse cycle or just the usual rinse???

What a nice machine. We have no such Hotpoints here anymore. What year is the newer of the two?

Cheers as you say--AND BEERS TOO !!

Mike
 
Agitating during fill

Hotpoint Top Loaders were not supposed to agitate during the fill cycle - however when the 9-series 'New Generation LE' model was introduced, it incorporated a new timer, based on the concurrent front loader design (where agitation during the fill cycle was of course standard). The timers were supposed to be modified during the serivce-installation check (by modifying a shorting link), and our 9604 had this modification made shortly after it was installed. I imagine many machines failed to have this modification made.

The spray symbol was Hotpoint's standard graphic for rinse cycles - not specifically for 'spray rinses' in the US top loader sense. In fact Hotpoint top loaders did not spray rinse into the inner tub at all; instead water was allowed into the outer tub during the wash pump out, and the first spin to remove suds. The standard Hotpoint cycle after the1502 was as follows:

- Fill
- Agitate approx 1-3 min depending on total wash time selected (called 'prewash')
- Heat (to 40, 50, 60 or 85C as selected - potentially up to five hours on a 85C from cold fill - shorter with hot fill obviously...)
- Wash for the remained of the selected time (upto 12 mins)
- pump out for 40 secs, and then adding cold in and pumping out for an additional 2 mins
- fill for static rinse (agitate for c.1 min on 9-series models, no agitation on earlier models)
- pump out
- first spin (2min 40 secs), then tub flush for 40 secs, with spin motor switched off, allowing the tub to coast while it fill to the selected level
- agitated rinse (2 mins)
- pump out
- final spin (5min 20secs)

I think the 1500, 1501 and 1502 did not have the static rinse section...I could be wrong

On the two-pole motor machine 'short spin' (called slow spin on the 9-series models) involved the spin action running for only 40 sec, allowing the tub to build up some speed (which would depend on the load weight), before cutting out and allowing the tub to coast slowly to a halt. Similarly the so-called 'gentle action' on these later machines involved periodic agitation rather than slower speed. I don't know if the 1500-1504 machines with the four-pole motor actually ran a proper slow spin - perhaps Keith, who has a 1501, knows?

From the 1509/10 onwards the machine could be paused on the final rinse (to allow conditioner to be added, or to suspend creasable fabrics without spinning. On the 1509-15792 this involved pausing after the final rinse fill, but the 9-series allowed 1 minute of agitation either side of the pause. This is the point at which one can get one of these machines to agitate on empty or any level of fill (like Mike's video).

The TL advertised on ebay was a 1509/05 from somewhere between Dec 77 and June 78 - one can tell as the drain panel is in the later, higher position.

D.
 
I love this stuff and I live for it. Thank You so much

Thank you so much, again !

One of the unsung thrills of the Unimatic and other early Frigidaires is that you can get them to agitate in a cupful of water or 10 gallons! And they are so much fun slapping and bouncing the water all over when you fill them just to the rim of the bottom fin, once called "The Energy ring" --I think.
 
Agitation during filling

Hi, David!
Do you know how to stop the following?
You're right to say, that the timer makes the machine agitate while filling, which is actually not too bad as it helps to soak the dry washing better, avoiding a flowting of some items and helping also to dissolve the powder already during the filling period. But what I do not like is: if I put the dialer to the recommended number, say progamme 5 for example, the machine starts filling and agitating three times with pauses in between and the timer is marching further during that process. Thus ending in that when filling is completed the timer has reached already the point where it stops until the wash-water has reached the correct temperature WITHOUT an adequate final mixing of powder and water and WITHOUT any "pre-wash"!
So what has to be done to change the timer inside to correct the programme?

Ralf
 
Hi Ralf

So does it then proceed to the main wash with all that nice hot water, or drain it out unmixed? Funny how old timers have minds of their own.

Thanks for the info on the draining. Growing up on Frigidaires with their dramatic water-throw, I like neutrals drains quite a lot, too. I guess I like every thing!

Mike
 
Timer

Hi Ralf

I'm not sure alas - I think Mark has a service manual for the 9-series washers and might be able to look up to see if the alteration is listed. Otherwise an email to Hotpoint might get you the answer - ok the latter is a VERY long shot since Merloni took over - they have no interest in pre-Merloni models, so probably won't know...

Any former Hotpoint service engineers out there?

D
 
Hi MIke, hi David!

Thanks a lot for your help! I will try twin-tub man at Ebay because I have his phone-number (hope to get a new Hotpoint TT from him once I will have organized a transport which is unexpectedly difficult, you wouldn't believe it, as mine is leaking at the spinner bellow seal and I do not know how to fix it or think I do not know and although I've already bought a new bellow seal from the UK via Ebay! lol)

Next problem I have is that there is no engineer in Germany for Hotpoint as this brand is commonly unknown here and only the front-loaders were available (once these TL-machines were still built) by one single seller near Frankfurt/Main. So, nobody will have a clou here of these appliances...

David, could you give Mark a hint to contact me via my e-mail, actually I do not know what Mark's nickname is here in the forum at the very moment as most of us don't sign with their names - whyever?!?

Cheers, Ralf
 

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