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Think again about Panasonic!!! They take their time on a spin, but they use plenty of water, take only 2:01 h on cottons 40° with 3 rinses, have a short 15min AND a short 50min AND a short wash option dropping the time on cottons 40° with 3 rinses for 8kg down to 1:08 h (I think, not more than 1:15, do not use this often) and they are silent. I mean, damn silent. More silent than any AEG.
Quality wise, their equal to BSH, well build construction wise (have a fan cooled PCB as well as 3 shockabsorbers).
Overall, combined with the HydroActive+ that really helps and a more than massive drum (70l, more than the 9kg Beko and equal to a 10-12 kg Hotpoint), this machine is perfect. At least for this price. If you are not convinced yet, I'll post links to my Videos on YouTube of the Panasonic ( and a 1600rpm AEG we have either)...
 
Oh, and the wool cycle is that gentle, it can wash non-washable suits!!! It starts over with the standard distribution to solve the detergent and that way suds are created which soaks the wool gentle and effecstive. Than the mainwash consists out of about 10 approx. 2 min long cycles, again consisting out of 2 ⅓ turns and 1 ⅔ turn, HydroActive+ is turned on occasionally. This is followed by 3 interrim spins at 500rpm and 3 rinses (a 4th is avaible) and a 90sec 500rpm max final spin. Gentle and effective!
 
henene4, I've noticed from video's that the Panasonic's suds up very early in the cycle due to the fast weight sensing tumbles at the begining of the cycle - do they die down again by the end of the wash? Too much suds would drive me insane!
 
Depending in detergent: Most likeley yes, their sucked up by the load. And these are not the load sensing tumbles, the load sensing is the short spin at the beginning...

I would rather recomend the 1600 Modell:

 
We have a Panasonic NA148VG4 and a AEG Lavamat L71670.
By the way, if you would like to get a matching dryer, the "things we lost in the dryerfire" times would be over with the Panasonic heatpump dryer. Don't have the dryer, but I only heard good things about them ;)
 
The Panasonic seems a little bit pricey to say, looking at the programs, it doesn't really do anything the Beko 9KG doesn't do. The only real benefit would be the 5 year warranty
 
Oh I never thought of a Panasonic washing machine
And yes i always tend to go for 1600rpm if the option is there
 
LG don't make the EcoBubble, Samsung do. And I'd avoid them if I were up. I wasn't at all impressed when I used one. They make a LOT of suds an don't rinse very well
 
Oh yes, my bad lol
Well not keen on Samsung phones so will give their washing machines a miss too.
I have a good shopping list to be getting on with but WON'T be going to a certain electrical high street chain of shops for advise as they are rubbish.
Will look at more Which? reports & get more advice from on here too.
I'd love to know where it is members on here have garages full of washing machines??
Love to have a look at them in action
 
ukbusdude

Hello, and welcome to the forum :)

I have a 10x6 shed with 4 washing machines in, most are collection machines, I have a Hotpoint WD860G out there that I got for free and have fixed and will be selling on soon reconditioned :)

I also have a 1987 Zanussi EW1007 Electricity Board Special, 1000 spi, 4.5kg drum, and a 1988(ish) Servis Sapphire Autoselect 6065 with 1300rpm and a 4.5kg drum, and a 1993(ish) Hoover Classica AC166, with 1200rpm and a 4.5kg drum. I am currently using the Hoover but will be using the Servis more as the Classica needs new brushes.

Don't have any pictures yet but will get some up for you in the next few days...

Not quite a garage full, but still, I have more washing machines than your average 14 year old!
 
Will look at more Which? reports

Which? are a tad more accurate than said high street retailer, but not 100%. They've been known to award 2 machines of the same series different wash results, even though the only difference is the spin speed. They do it with vacuums too and award different ratings for models that are exactly the same, but come with different tools. All very odd.

John Lewis are the best walk-in store for advice on washers. They seem to know what they're talking about, at least. But their prices can be a bit steep, so it's sometimes best to go and look at different machines in John Lewis, Currys etc and then just buy it online cheaper.

If you're wanting clips of old machines, there are loads on YouTube. Here is Paul's channel to have a look through - you should be able to find some more clips from there.

 
WOW
I'd love to come & visit & we're often up in York City centre too.
I've always wondered when you see guys with huge collections of appliances where ever they store & use them, how large is their electricity bills are? lol

Hope you can get some pictures as I'd love to see your collection.

A very rare find here for you, this is a picture of my mums very first front loading automatic washing machine back in 1971 when we lived in Woodford Essex.It was a Philips model & the front bottom end sloped outwards. When we moved to where they live now in Ilford Essex she gave it to my Great Aunt in Kilburn West London because the soap powder dispenser was in the lid of the washing machine. My Great Aunt had it till 1989 when it finally gave up the ghost as she couldn't find a new programmer unit for it.
Once again its not my picture so can't claim credit for it.

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ILFORD

l lived in Ilford, kensington gardens off the drive in the early 1980s.
I have owned a Bosch Excell 1400 and an Aqualtis 1400 which was the same as yous in as much as spins were a long drawn out affair if they happened at all, neither was a great machine as far as washing performance goes either.

If I had to have a new machines I would put my money in Miele and not waist money and time on lesser brands.

Gary
 
Yes Ilford is my home town but live near Brighton now in Sussex.
And actually 2 of my Hotpoint washing machines were brought when I lived in Ilford.
I have no idea why it has so much trouble doing the final spin but as the years go on it seems to get worse.
But only if the spin is unbalanced.
I'll have to go & look at the Miele range as getting companies to post brochures out is becoming hard as they all want to go down the online route. I prefer to have a brochure or go to a shop.
But also it would be nice to go to a shop where the staff know more than me for once & stop just trying to sell me a washing machine regardless lol.
 
The answer to your question. The Hotpoint was a second washing machine and the LG F1479FDS5 TrueSteam being the main washer which is still in daily use. The LG is fantastic, can't fault it. It's 2 1/2 years old and gets through a load per day and quite a few on weekends.
 
No Pre-wash

These machines don't have a pre-wash, most normal people in the UK don't choose pre-wash.
I dont see why this should determine whether or not you need a new machine though, you've had it 6 years without pre-wash, why all of sudden is it really needed?
I manually pre-wash on my Hotpoint HE7L492 by choosing prog 11 (cottons standard 20), let it wash for about 20 minutes, then select a slow spin - before choosing the main wash.

New Machines:
Quote: "I'm also in two minds about buying another Hotpoint as I really get the hump with the final spin as they all seem to struggle so much with trying to balance out.
But in saying that i'd even consider buying a 2nd hand Hotpoint WT960 as they had really good features & wish I never gave it away to my sister now. " Surely thats cancelling each other out, no? The WT & WF range were the worst at balancing the load, so surely going back to a WT is a step backwards.
I own a HE7L492 - one from the very latest hotpoint range (a square door design, but made with the round door machines, features all the updated programmes, programming, quality build etc), and can confirm the balancing system is very good now, theres no longer just a jump into distribution, its slowly builds up like the older WM/95 series. Also thanks to Indesit improving the build (in My opinion) the machine doesnt faff around balancing, and usually spins balanced or not, and if it does do balance trash, a few attempts it spins anyway.
You also mention rinses are important factor, well I can confirm the latest Hotpoint range (all machines, round or square door) feature a deep rinse pattern (shown in the video below of my machine from around 18:46). Deep rinses are standard on cottons 40, Cottons 20, and Baby, with all other cycles providing a deep rinse if suds are detected, especially noticeable on prog 2 - Whites which does 32second very fast tumbles, and holds temperature for 1hr meaning a build up of suds.

Finally You mention wash time is a factor - well Cottons 40, and cottons 60 can be very long (3hrs), however with Time Saver the wash cycles are reduced to around just over 1hr.
For the money the latest range from Hotpoint is personally my favourite.
The Futura, in my opinion, is top of line, as has more features than the Ultima. (WMFG1053 Currys exclusive is probably best). The Style are Ok, and my Experience is feature wise Ok too.
You'll also notice in my video is the main wash tumbles, are a massive improvement over the WT, WMD etc models, faster tumbles, short pauses deliver very good results, even with Time saver.

Bosch/Siemens are also a very good brand. They are either made in Germany, or tested in Germany before being sold, a cheaper alternative to Miele, yet quite reliable, and often priced competitively with some lower brand Candy/Hoover machines, which aren't as reliable.

Its all your choice, but think going for a WT, is personally step backwards.

Link to WMFG1053:

 
most normal people in the UK don't choose pre-wash

Define "normal people". I don't think ANYBODY on this forum could be regarding as "normal", whatever the hell that is.

Pre-wash has it's uses, as I mentioned above about curtains. My mother used to use pre-wash on mine and my siblings sports kits from school to get the surface mud off before the main wash, and then the main wash would remove the stain. If Andy finds pre-wash a useful feature, then it's only natural he should want a machine that features one.

Also, with regards to your recomendation, whilst I agree that the build quality and (to some extent) the performance of the new Hotpoint range is significantly better than the old range, there's no getting away from the fact that they (like some many others) now all have sealed outer tubs, meaning if anything were to get stuck betweem the drum and tub, if the heat element were to need replacing or the machine needed a bearing replacement, it would not be possible without replacing the whole tub assembly.

Hotpoint/Indesit aren't alone in this, but there other brands out there who have retained the more easilly accessible and repairable split tub design. Miele, Beko and Bosch/Siemens (except Classixx machines) all have split tubs so are far easy, cheaper and more economical to repair should anything go wrong.
 

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