How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria? (Watching Sound of Music on Telly)

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Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage
That gown (rich heavy white silk satin, simple embroidery,demure neckline,cut to show the figure but not too much so). Dressed by nuns,blessed by the Reverend Mother, escorted by the inhabantant of an abbey to a cathedral fully packed with the creme de la creme of the area and probably the country (if not several). Then the great organ begins to play, followed by the horns, then full orchestra, the nun's chorus begins to sing, and soon your off!

Walking down the endless asile following two demure flower girls, and one even more demure maid of honour. At the high altar an archbishop (or is it a cardinal?)in full regalia, along with several high ranking priests (equally attired), await. Down walks Maria, who until recently was a postulant (and some might say not a very good one)nun, with no family, connections or wealth, now snatches a great catch of a husband from the skills and charms of a baroness no less.

It is as good as things get!

*LOL*
 
Have it on DVD. Not watching the broadcast (although it's the extended version). Watching a doc on Jesse James instead.

I remember seeing SOM for the first time in the mid-60's. It was a rare family outing, I was all of about 12 years old, and I remember being very impressed with the sound/music/etc in the famous opening, where the music nearly explodes as Maria runs across that mountain meadow. The plot of the movie may have had some special significance as well, since the family had only recently effected its own "escape" of sorts, trekking cross country with no more than what we could carry.
 
Noticed Sound Of Music on TiVo's programming list, but can't stand watching films with commercial interruption, so it was The Shaggy Dog on TCM, instead. Not a huge fan of musicals, although I've played piano for all the usual suspects over the years. SOM and South Pacific are my favorites among those classics.

All-time favorite: Sweeney Todd. I like Johnny Depp, but am not chomping at the bit to see him try to pull off the vocals. Sweeney Todd is probably the most challenging of all the musicals---it's more like an opera, actually---and I just don't see him having the chops to pull it off.
 
Sound of Music

We caught it last night, couldn't resist.
I don't care what anyone says, it still brings tears to my eyes. The fact that it is based on a true story makes it even better.
Gosh, Julie Andrews sure was pretty and Christopher Plummer...
Sigh.
 
Von Trapp Family

The Von Trapps setteled in Stowe, Vermont. The estate is high in the hills with meadows a lot like Maria ran in. You can actually buy a CD that the decendants made, look em up on Google.
 
I still love the shot of the organ pipes and the few grand chords that, for me, led disappointingly into orchestral music. I have tried to find out where the organ is and if the music heard in the film is actually from that instrument, but so far, I have not been able to get deep enough into the details. When we saw it in 1966, it was shown in Cinerama and the opening aerial footage was almost dizzying. The story is such a great example of how inconspicuously and in ways unimaginable love can enter or re-enter lives, how it can take hold and grow in the most barren conditions and transform everything with which it comes in contact.
 
Q: What do you get when you cross Charo with Julie Andrews?
A: The hills are alive with the sound.... of cuchi cuchi cuchi. Ay dios mio!

This was the first movie my mother took me to see. It was seen in a famous theatre in Manhattan. I decided right there and then I was never to become a fan of musicals or a show-tune queen.

 
You're Welcome!

Feel free!

Am on a roll these past two weeks religous theme wise. Last week, local PBS station showed "The Nun's Story" with Audrey Hepburn, then this week we have TSoM. All I need now is either "Black Narcissus" or "The Bells of Saint Mary's" and am set!

Speaking of nuns and such, now off to starch and iron!

*LOL*

Launderess
 
By The Way

Organ processional from the SoM may or may not have been composed by O&H. The reprise of "How Do You Solve ....." sung by the nun's chorus backed by full orchestra is certianly O&M's work. Though the two are often called "Maria's wedding march/processional" they are two different pieces, even on the original cast album. As for finding recordings, you may wish to check whom played the organ for the film recording as a start. Highly doubt just anyone walked into Mondsee and was allowed to play, and the processional may very well be one of or part of the thousands floating about Europe over the ages.

L.
 
Did a little googling on the Von Trapps as well. The movie of course was not all accurate, and the family was particularly distressed about the portrayal of Baron von Trapp as an authoritarian party pooper. In reality they say he was the exact opposite - warm and gentle-hearted. In fact Maria was the stern, iron willed one in the family. And of course the family didn't do a dramatic last minute secretive escape from the Nazis while performing on stage. Instead, after turning down an invitation to sing at Hitler's birthday party, they privately decided in 1938 that they didn't want to live in a Nazi Austria, and booked a routine singing tour that took them to Italy (where von Trapp had full citizenship due to his birthplace on the Adriatic) and then eventually to the USA (not without some difficulty with immigration).

I don't really recall the wedding scene, although I'm sure it was nice. The parts that stand out in my mind are the tremendous opening, the nuns singing about Maria, the kids hanging from the trees in their handmade "uniforms", and of course the dramatic conclusion.

What a pity that Julie Andrews' singing career was cut short by an incompetent surgeon. But she left behind plenty of filmed performances for us to enjoy.
 
The organ was actually recorded on the MGM lot in Culver City, California. One of the large sound stages there used to have a Wurlitzer theatre organ [it's no longer there], and that's the organ that was used - sans tremulants.

Yes, you read it right. Those who are organists, knowing this, listen to the organ again and you can clearly tell this by the blaze of reeds and and brassy-sounding stops but no mixtures or upperwork. Think back to times when you have heard "church music" played on a Wurlitzer. Think again to the sound of the organ in "The Sound of Music." Bingo.

I know, some of the "Salzburg Sound of Music Tour" web sites state that the same organ seen in the film is the same one HEARD in the film, but I assure you it is not. It would have been a logistical nightmare to have done so given the technology available at the time.

btw I vividly recall seeing the film when it debuted in 1966. We went to the "Rocking Chair Theater" in Newport News, Virginia to see it. If I am not mistaken, this was the first film shown in that theater. It was noted for having large, comfortable, plush, yes, rocking chair seating! I wonder if it is still there. It's in, or next to, a large shopping center. Any Virginians amongst us?
 
Laundress, I meant that I was going to see if there were any commercial recordings made on that instrument, but as Charles says, the little bit of it heard in the film was almost too large a sound to come just any church organ.

Charles, loved the "sans tremulants." I attended an Easter Sunrise Service at the Fox Theater in Atlanta (don't ask about the sun rise, you would not have seen it from inside the theater if it had decided to rise across the street in front of the Georgan Terrace) and Mighty Mo did not sound like a theater organ. In a concert and in a recording, Bob van Camp demonstrated what he called the organ's ecclesiastical ranks while playing Winchester Cathedral and the difference was great, although suddenly dropping the "churchy" sound into a song that had been flying along on very complete theater organ registration did a disservice to to the ecclesiastical sounds.

Now, something I have tried to find out for more than 40 years: Miklos Rosza composed the music for King of Kings. Friends had the album. I would practically crawl into the speaker of their Hi Fi to let myself be overwhelmed by the music. I guess only someone who really loves organ music would notice the super rich scoring for the organ in the orchestral music in many places, especially in the main theme and maybe in the passages around the Resurrection. The very full organ registration, very heavy in the bass, sort of roared and soared along under everything, occasionally breaching in a burst of glory, but it had a very rich and tubby Harrison & Harrison sound quality with the way the 32s really growled almost like they were Bombardes or Contra Bombardes. The reed sound was very pronounced, at least that's the way I remember it. Do you know or know how to find information about what organ was used and maybe, its location? I guess it could have been the "Wortilizer" on the sound stage you told us about. I don't know if it was to give a religious quality to the music or what, but Rosza fearlessly made very ample use of the organ in his compositions for this film. Maybe it was the only way he could achieve the grandeur in the music that the film called for. I am going to have to find a CD of that music and really enjoy my subwoofer. My apologies to everyone else for this tangent, but finding a fountain of specialized information like Charles is as wonderful as finding a spring in the desert. Tom
 
I just found something interesting on the Rhino website offering a two CD recording of the 140 minutes Rosza recorded with the MGM Orchestra. The out of print 1961 soundtrack album featured 40 minutes of music that was recorded in Rome with another orchestra. That could account for the sound of the organ. The organ could have been some magnificent treasure of an instrument in Rome.
 
I have a good friend who is a film music 'fanatic' and most particularly of the 1940s and '50s. If anyone knows the answer to your question about Rósza, he will.

Incidentally, this past October I went to a special screening at the Directors Guild in Hollywood of another epic film with a Rósza score, El Cid. WOW!! What a movie!!!

In the audience that night was Rósza's widow and daughter, Nicchi Battaglino. I happened to find myself standing next to Nicchi afterward and had a very interesting and engaging chat with her. She was very interested to hear that I am a thereminist, and we exchanged email addresses so we could stay in touch. I've been developing a very congenial friendship with her since then. She's a studio makeup artist -- check out her web site:

http://www.angelicmakeup.com/
 
Mea Culpa

Well, premature senility rears its ugly head once again -- OF COURSE, I meant that the organ part of "The Sound of Music" was recorded on a 20th Century Fox sound stage and not MGM. Duh.

And, similarly, the Wurltzer I was referring to was at Fox - not MGM. A couple years ago, I had a very interesting chat with an oldtimer sound engineer at a theremin gig I did, and he reaffirmed what I had heard from other sources that the organ part in the Sound of Music was recorded at 20th Century Fox.

Then, today, I got an email from a fellow organist, rather older than me, who not only recalled the Fox Wurly but even played it a few times. It was removed and sold about 10 years ago, he said, due to lack of use.
 
Ghost of Christmas Past

Last Xmas Eve got home early to prepare for 35 guests on Xmas, and watched SOM instead, running to the boards to visit, and had a ball with other people whop were watching too. This year, post Xmas, chatting with John Coldspot, we wondered if had been on again. Irony of Ironies, it was on that very night and John emailed me but I never saw it until 10:30 when the von Traps were first caught trying to sneak away, pushing their silent car.

What I'd love to know--and I apologize for the older guy brain flatulence--who were the wonderful people chatting away last year. Again, sorry that I can't remember for the life of me, but it was very much fun. Who was here on the boards visiting so happily?

Regarding the Nun's Story: Laundress, did you notice how eerily prescient it was when the director left the door open in the very last scene after Sister Luke had taken off her habit for the last time. The camera stays glued to the open door for so so long, Luke, now Gabrielle walking away, the discarded veil swaying on the veil rack.

And the door never closed
And the nuns ran out in droves
First taking off their veils
And later leaving the convent in their trials

How absolutely clairvoyant that scene is now in hindsight! eh?

Back to SOM: Kevin, (spellcheck corrects your name--hahah), I get wet cheeks every time I watch it, too. When Peggy Woods sings "Climb Every Mountain," I nearly discorporate. She won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress as Reverend Mother
 
Nuns Ran Out In "Droves"

Had much more to do with changes in society and Vatican II than anything else. Starting around the 1970's women simply had more options than to either become a wife, enter a convent or end up in some horrible "pink collar" job where they were under-paid, over worked and under appreciated. Indeed most of the problems many areas of employment are facing (teaching (especially chemistry), nursing, etc are due to the fact women have more employment choices than before.

Vatican II actually encouraged religous persons to become "part of the community" and go out amoung the people, rather than stay walled up and away. Habits were dispensed with along with so many other things, that many nuns and those who considered a vocation began to think " why bother?", I can serve God in other ways.

The lack of persons entering the religous life, especially nuns/sisters has had far reaching effects. Many if not all Catholic hospitals and schools were founded and mainly staffed by sisters and brothers, who were in a sense "free" labour. That is all over and Catholic schools and hospitals find themselves having to pay the going wages to attract and keep staff, all this at a time when most parishes have seen their membership levels fall off the cliff.

Back to "Sister Luke":

Sister Luke's problem is her inability to submit her own self will to that of her vocation and God. She wished to be a nurse first instead of a nun, and as Reverend Mother pointed out, Sister Luke did not enter the convent to become a nurse. Sister Luke also had a problem "obeying" authority and rules, and unlike "The Flying Nun" or other Hollywood creations of religous life, obeying is a huge part of religous life. If you as a postulant was told to read and memorise a chapter of religous text by say the mistress of novices, and you piped up that you already knew said text, that was neither her or there. You were expected to do as you were told, and that was that.

Self will is said to die about 15 minutes after we do, or is it 15 minutes before? Either way the hardest thing to do is surpress one's own desires to do what someone else wishes us to do. Even more difficult when that "someone" is God and his will is coming through his wordly instruments. What would you do if your mother or teacher told you to fail your exams on purpose as an act of humility? Happily for Sister Luke she went on to another convent where another RM told her that the previous request was wrong, but there was lots of that sort of thing in religous life. Do good and leave, in one form or another was part of many religous orders, even Saint Bernardette was given the same instructions during her religous life.

Read the book in high school, and it gives a rather grim picture of convent/religous life. At the time the Vatican was NOT happy with either the book or film. It was felt that it painted a poor picture of nuns and the Church in general, at a time when many, especially in the United States viewed the Church as a bunch of Latin babbling followers of the Pope, who in turn was viewed as living very well off other persons work.

The Nun's Story Trivia:

The book was not written by "Sister Luke", but a woman who met and took up with the ex-sister.
 
On Second Thought

No,

Cannot believe you would make such a common and rather disgusting comment. Tis rather low of you to assume all any woman's problems, be she a religous or otherwise stem from sexual fustration.

Am very disapointed in you, previously held you in high esteem and regard.

L.
 
Oh, come on, it was funny, a joke, grow up. I am not going to apoligize for a joke.

I did not assume "all women's problems stem from sexual frustration," those were YOUR words!

Maria, on the other hand, a film character created by Hollywood loosely based on a real character, is fair game for a joke, in the public domain, about what I think was a pretty schmalzy movie. Free speech and all.

As for your no longer holding me in high esteem, I am not convinced your opinion on that position is that high, nor that esteemed.

Lets put the claws away and recognize a bawdy joke as a joke, and not expand the subtext to an area the writer never intended to go in the fist place.

Regards,

Phil
 
So what are you REALLY after?

Phil, Phil Phil,

Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus
The battle of the sexes (genders) continues.

Women just desperately need to love and be loved. It's MEN who want physical relations.
Women use sex to get love and men use love to get sex.
 
I know,Toggles, but I was making a joke about a semi-fictional screen character. Sorry if Queen Laundress had a hair across her ass about it.
Look,if the movie were "The Sound of the Stage," and a gay man had to decide between going into the priesthood or being an actor with his boyfriend director, and the theme song was "How do you solve a problem like Robert" and he eventually married his boyfriend, and I said "Robert needed to get laid, that solved the problem" no one would be offended except Catholic priests.
I have a really base sence of humor about things and I like to make fun of "icons" and things that are corny,(Dont get me started on DisneyWorld) but pretty much, I love and respect women and men and everything in between as children of this Universe who can enrich all of our souls.
But Julie Andrews finnally getting laid is funny, and that's my story and I am sticking to it.
 
Dumpster diving.

I am the last person to be able to judge, but didn't someone recently make a comment about two groups of people that was bordering on being racist?

We all live in glass houses. Let's not throw stones.
 
NOTICE ME! Most actors are exhibitionisitic.

~But Julie Andrews finally getting laid is funny, and that's my story and I am sticking to it.

And the "most wholesome of all" actresses even showed her boobies later on in time, for heaven's sake.
 
Getting back to the Music.

The best version of "Climb Every Mountain" that I heard was when a friend of mine, who lived in the Haight Ashbury area well before it turned hippie, invited me and my mom to attend his church. It turned out to be a predominantly black Methodist Church, and during the service one black women got up and sang that song. It was really good. The people were very friendly, too, but my mom couldn't get past her prejudices and we never went back there.
 
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