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It really depends on what your definition of "perform" is.
There are countless amounts of evidence in this forum of people with modern machines made after 2015, that clean dishes extremely well.
They wash, they sanitize, they even dry.

They DO take longer to do it.
So if taking too much time; more than you like, is "not performing well." Well...your opinion is noted.
But if you're quantifiably saying that modern machines cannot wash dishes as well, to a fully clean state, as a machine from 10-20 years ago, you are mistaken.
 
Everybody has a different opinion. My opinion of a dirty dish is one that I scrape twice and load in to the dishwasher. My opinion of a clean plate is that it is spotless, no dry food debris, and dry.

In my kitchen aid I put in a dirty plate, and it came out clean. Further my dishwasher didn't smell like last nights salmon.

Under the same circumstances the LG did not clean. Time means nothing to me as I let my machine run at night before I go to bed.

I've been selling/ servicing dishwashers for over 15 years. I've seen and fixed more dishwashers than you can ever imagine. 10 years ago when a customer called about performance issues I most definitely found something wrong with the dishwasher. Now, when they don't clean well I have to re- educate the customer, I have to tell them they have to do a better job "pre rinsing".
 
Oh, for goodness sake.

I regard a dishwasher which doesn't even last for 10 years as a piece of trash.

So, no - most modern dishwashers do not perform. They're junk.

 

Now, a higher-end Bosch or a Miele or a vintage GE Potscrubber with the orbital arm are worth it. The rest? Whatever, dude. If you don't mind pre-scrubbing and post-scrubbing and waiting for hour after hour for the thing to splash two drops of water around and then think about it, sure, go for it.

 

I install a lot of BOL Amana dishwashers. They clean very well and last about as long in rental kitchens as high-end GE. It's pointless to spend money on KA, it's nothing but a rebadged Whirlpool.

 
 
I have a new BOL Whirlpool dishwasher and I love it! I only use the 1 hour cycle, that really is 60 mins. and I add the heated dry for an additional 20 mins., or a total of 80 mins. per load. I run full, mixed loads evry 2 or 3 days and the only things I rinse first are the cereal/salad bowls and pots and pans. Other wise every thing goes in the way it left the table, sans the big chunks.

And the dishes come out spotless and dry, except for items that don't drain well, the same as any other dishwasher. I really can't see the point of these high end dishwashers, except the exterior style I guess.

Our last dishwasher was a MOL GE that only lasted just under 2 years before it was going to cost more to repair than replace. And it took almost 3 hours to complete a normal cycle with temp boost. The new Whirlpool gets plenty hot. I run the hot water at the sink until its hot before I press start and when the cycle is done those dishes very hot, the silverware can burn you. Oh, and it uses just over 7.87 gals of water for a 1 hour cycle, not that much extra. The Heavy cycle uses 7.4, and Normal 2.4 to 7.4, I don't think 2.4 gals would do a very good job.

Anyway, thats my experience with new dishwashers.
Eddie
 
Eddie,

That Whirlpool and the BOL Amana are the same inside - and, yes, they heat the water quite warm and the clean quite well.

Astonishingly so, actually.

I checked my records - I've installed 28 in the past 19 months. Not one has failed.
 
Keven

I know and they are great value for the money! No bells and whistles, not a lot to go wrong. Time will tell as to the longevity, but I have a feeling it will be a keeper for a while.
Eddie[this post was last edited: 9/19/2017-22:19]
 
Thanks!

What does BOL stand for?

DADOES, what brand of dishwasher do you own?

Lorainfurniture, what repairs have you done on your dishwasher?

Henene4, you wrote: "...score a midrange model which has the fully stainless steal tank..." Do you mean the walls and the floor that you see when you open the dishwasher?

Thanks!
 
I have the portable version of Eddie's Whirlpool dishwasher and will attest it cleans well and is a no-nonsense machine. I tried both the Normal and Heavy cycles, but the 1-hr. cycle rocks. I'd say its weak point on the 1-hr. cycle is drying, even when using heated dry. The portable version is as loud as a riot---which I HATE---since the kitchen in my apartment is open to the living room. Maybe the built-in is a bit quieter due to being surrounded by cabinets.

Honestly, if the sound level was 45 db or less, I'd recommend it as a great budget-line machine.

Aside: I'm still amazed there are two active Eugenes on this site. There are never two people named Eugene anywhere. Am I right, other Eugene?
 
The lg has had no repair, but it's been in my house about one month. The kitchen aid I got a clogged drain hose once, and I replaced a wobbly (still worked fine) handle. Ultimately I got rid of it bc of the incoming matching black stainless appliances and the fact the ka racks were rusting pretty bad.

I bought the ka on Craigslist for $75, and used it in my home for at least 6 years.
 
Lorainfurniture

Nope, wrong on all counts. I paid close to $1000 for that POS Kitchenaid dishwasher which included installation. I did so with the belief that it was the absolute BEST dishwasher known to mankind, since I had always heard from everyone they were the cadillac of dishwashers. The year was 1980, possibly 1981. It was right after they started putting the separate spray arm under the top rack, but did NOT have even the little spinner on the very top. Obviously this was a serious mistake since it left little particles all on top of the glasses which was what upset me the most. There was no way to correct it since they had left no place on the top of the machine to later add the water spinner either. It had all of it's insulation wrapped around it and was built much like a tank compared to the GE that it replaced. The Maytag that replaced it a year later was not nearly as heavily built as it was, but did an excellent job of cleaning and drying the dishes and was quicker. I now have a Whirlpool made dishwasher that is very much like a Kitchenaid of today. It does a good job of cleaning, not so good on drying since they quit forced air drying. I am quite satisfied with it, but will NEVER forget the unfortunate choice of a new dishwasher I chose back in 1980. I noticed that a year or two later they again added the top water spinner to the new machines which I am sure made their performance much better. Perhaps it was an off year, I don't know. Just that I felt cheated and that I had wasted a great deal of money and have never felt the same about Kitchenaid dishwashers since. Perhaps the same thing that happened to cadillac happened to them too. After all, Lexus is a FAR better car than cadillac ever thought about being.
 
I've had good luck with our Bosch dishwashers. My mom's one was purchased in 2006 and mine was made in 2010 - neither ever needed a repair (both are German-made). Because they heater is 230V, the cold fill gets up to temp quickly. A 158°F Pots & Pans double-wash, triple-rinse and dry cycle takes 90 minutes.

Am currently using a countertop Bosch model that has been in and out of storage since I got it in 1993. No repairs on that one either.
 
I have a Whirlpool Gold dishwasher. It's about three years old. So far it hasn't had any problems and it washes well. It just takes too long--over three hours--to complete the cycle. That's not an issue because it is usually run after my wife and I has had dinner. The old 2004 Frigidaire that was original to the house when it was built washed the dishes in no more than an hour and fifteen minutes.

The pump on this thing freaked me out when I first bought it. I literally had an "oh hell no" moment and contemplated taking it back when I took the dishwasher out of the box. It's a small, plastic pump. No big and heavy "washer motor" attached to a pump mechanism. I call it a fishtank pump. Surprisingly, it does a good job, but I'm not so sure about its long term reliability. Askoll (the company that made the pump) had stamped "For intermittent use only" on the plastic body of the motor, so the days of the heavy duty 1/4 horsepower motors of steel that we are accustomed to are over; it also explains the reasoning behind the pauses in the cycles, the motor cannot handle running continuously without pausing to cool off. Unfortunately, it seems as if all dishwashers are using low power fishtank type pumps.

Fortunately, it washes well and it's a Whirlpool, which means parts are cheap and easy to find should something happen. Just keep the filter cup clean. It is a pain to access, you have to clear the spray arm to pull it out.
 
I am in support of new dishwashers with filtration systems instead of chopper assemblies.

I'll get it out of the way, I will always recommend a Miele dishwasher over anything that is made. There are no ifs about it. I have yet to be disappointed by them. https://goo.gl/photos/McdPVWrhPmCv5U7d7

That being said... Depending on what your must haves are, a new dishwasher will be around that 1k-1500 price point. I would not own a 3 or 5 series Bosch. We have had over 70 repair calls on them just in 2017. If look at a German appliance and it does NOT say Made in Germany on it, DO NOT BUY IT.

I also don't know that I would own a new Maytag with that crooked/tapered rack. We get a lot of complaints about loading things in the bottom rack. We've had to take two out because the owner's plates simply would not fit in the unit. That being said Maytag has put a powerdry option on one of their models, the 8979 that adds fan-assisted drying.

I do like the Whirlpool WDTA50 dishwasher, it blends nicely with any package that I sell, regardless of the manufacture. The Kitchenaids with the Clean Water wash system are going to have a hybrid wash system between the point voyager and whatever they call the new filter system. I say that because it has the larger wash pump but a self cleaning mesh filter system that back flushes like a swimming pool filter. KitchenAid is also adding back fan-assisted drying. The only thing is I don't like how flimsy the tubs are on the new KitchenAids. For a $1k plus dishwasher, it shouldn't feel cheap.

After rebuilding a Frigidaire dishwasher for my mom, and servicing a 7 year old Electrolux, I am really liking their designs. I will say that I probably wouldn't look at the units that have a plastic filter that has the wash arm support in part of the filter assembly. The way those units are designed, all of the debris is swept by the arms to the center of the tub and pushed directly into the wash pump intake. The new units that have the filters away from the wash arms clean much better. They also have inline heaters built into the motors or separate units in the lines. They also have a fan-assisted dry cycle. The new units with the better filters don't have exposed heat elements, so no real heated dry system, just a higher rinse temp. The Electrolux dishwashers have what seem to be some of the sturdiest racks I've ever seen in a dishwasher. IF I didn't have my Miele dishwashers, I would probably purchase an Electrolux dishwasher. I really like the way they are designed. They are heavy and feel solid. They are pretty impressive.

I am not a fan of GE dishwashers. We either have a lot of control panels go out or everyone seems to snap the latch sensor arms off their dishwashers.

LG dishwashers were a dud because we had a lot of failures early on and didn't have great support from the distributor. The distributor changed, but so did warranty processes and we ABSOLUTELY hate working with LG to get warranty claims through.

Samsung... The water wall dishwashers are growing on me.... I don't like their dishwashers that aren't water wall and its mainly because they aren't built by Samsung.

We sell a lot of Asko dishwashers in our other store, but thats because the lady that pushes them there has one and she thinks the same thing about them as I do Miele.

As far as budget goes, if it was absolutely necessary to stay under the $500 limit, I would probably say go with a whirlpool/amana. You aren't going to find something better for less.

To the longevity thing... That is all in a matter of how you take care of your appliances. If you check the filters regularly, use the hottest cycle often enough and don't OVER SOAP the machines, they should last a long time. They say cleaning power and cleanability is a trifecta, so is machine maintenance. Don't do something that will over tax the system on a regular basis, don't do something that will cause buildup of debris or detergent, and keep things hygienic (let things air out and clean parts and surfaces).
 
Would you buy a Bosch dishwasher or other appliance that was built in their New Bern,NC factory-they used to build Bosch power tools there-their tools were top quality.Are the machines ASSEMBLED at the former power tool site using German parts?Its like the idea of Miele vacuum cleaners "assembled" in China from German parts-S3 series vacuums.
 

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