BTW
I think Steve meant Frigidaire Front Loader, not Top Loader
I think Steve meant Frigidaire Front Loader, not Top Loader
How much HE detergent do you use in your front loader?
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correction
I have amish launderers with maytag wringer machines
wring out of machine, than drop into first bucket
with bleach water
wring out
rinse again in bucket with fresh water
wring out again
final rinse with fabric softener
final wring out
than hang up on line to dry
i am not amish
my fl quandary deepens
but thank you both for the four one one
btw how did this machine go over otherwise
I have amish launderers with maytag wringer machines
wring out of machine, than drop into first bucket
with bleach water
wring out
rinse again in bucket with fresh water
wring out again
final rinse with fabric softener
final wring out
than hang up on line to dry
i am not amish
my fl quandary deepens
but thank you both for the four one one
btw how did this machine go over otherwise
Front loader.
Because bleach and detergennt fight each other's mission,
bleach in the USA is properly added in he LAST 5 minutes of the wash phase (in a topp-loader) or say a Maytag Neptune front-loader
When washing with so little water as in a front-loader , it is best to leave the detergent alone to do its work, IMHO.
And as Launderess has stated, for best santizing action, wash first to rid of organic matter THEN add disinfectant/bleach.
Besides the first rinse can also be thought of as a wash. although a tumble-drain and flush takes place there is often no spin between tthe first wash and the first rinse. So it can also bee seen as fresh water and residual detergent to do a second wash......
Because bleach and detergennt fight each other's mission,
bleach in the USA is properly added in he LAST 5 minutes of the wash phase (in a topp-loader) or say a Maytag Neptune front-loader
When washing with so little water as in a front-loader , it is best to leave the detergent alone to do its work, IMHO.
And as Launderess has stated, for best santizing action, wash first to rid of organic matter THEN add disinfectant/bleach.
Besides the first rinse can also be thought of as a wash. although a tumble-drain and flush takes place there is often no spin between tthe first wash and the first rinse. So it can also bee seen as fresh water and residual detergent to do a second wash......
Interestingly a Frigidaire F/L-er adds an optional rinse BEFORE the final rinse, so softener is dispensed in the final rinse. If optional rinde is NOT selected, one of the rinses is extended and the water is not pumped out, nor does the machine refill. Basicaly two rinses combine to form one longer one.
A Matytag Neptune F/L-er adds a 4th optional rinse AFTER the "FINAL" (3rd) rinse, so that fabric softener that flows into the "FINAL" (3rd) rinse is then flushed out with a clean chemical-free 4th rinse.
A Matytag Neptune F/L-er adds a 4th optional rinse AFTER the "FINAL" (3rd) rinse, so that fabric softener that flows into the "FINAL" (3rd) rinse is then flushed out with a clean chemical-free 4th rinse.
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hmmm, okay
i'm calmer now
i looked at electrolux.com
and they said
"Advanced rinse technology incorporates a fresh water rinse for whiter whites, brighter colors and clothing that feels fresher!"
which would seem to be in agreement
with what you have said
it's just odd to me
to incorporate chlorine bleach into cold water
toggleswitch and gary
based on your observations
does the 2140 use a substantially higher water level
in any or all of the rinses
than it uses in the wash cycle
and do you believe it is enough
to rinse a load of jeans and sweatshirts
or a synthetic twin size comforter....
the way WE know they should be rinsed?
i'm calmer now
i looked at electrolux.com
and they said
"Advanced rinse technology incorporates a fresh water rinse for whiter whites, brighter colors and clothing that feels fresher!"
which would seem to be in agreement
with what you have said
it's just odd to me
to incorporate chlorine bleach into cold water
toggleswitch and gary
based on your observations
does the 2140 use a substantially higher water level
in any or all of the rinses
than it uses in the wash cycle
and do you believe it is enough
to rinse a load of jeans and sweatshirts
or a synthetic twin size comforter....
the way WE know they should be rinsed?
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incidentally
the 2140 and 2940
appear to be exclusively for the north american market
who cares
i like 'em anyway
the 2140 and 2940
appear to be exclusively for the north american market
who cares
i like 'em anyway
There is a saying in commercial laundry circles, "wash cycle is for washing and the bleach cycle for bleaching". That is bleaching with chlorine bleach most always takes place in a separate cycle from the wash.
Rationale behind this is simple: the bleaching action of chlorine bleach takes place in five minutes, with a bit faster action in hot water. Longer contact times do not increase stain removal (nor sanitation for that matter),and can only lead to textile damage. There is also the fact that chlorine bleach affects the enzymes commonly found in detergents.
Yes, as Toggle stated, if one is counting on chlorine bleach for sanitation, then it is best to knock down the germ/soil/muck level before adding bleach. This follows a rule in sanitation that we learned in nursing, clean before disenfecting. If you read the directions of any EPA certified disenfectant you will see instructions to clean/remove gross filth before applying the disenfectant solution.
L.
Rationale behind this is simple: the bleaching action of chlorine bleach takes place in five minutes, with a bit faster action in hot water. Longer contact times do not increase stain removal (nor sanitation for that matter),and can only lead to textile damage. There is also the fact that chlorine bleach affects the enzymes commonly found in detergents.
Yes, as Toggle stated, if one is counting on chlorine bleach for sanitation, then it is best to knock down the germ/soil/muck level before adding bleach. This follows a rule in sanitation that we learned in nursing, clean before disenfecting. If you read the directions of any EPA certified disenfectant you will see instructions to clean/remove gross filth before applying the disenfectant solution.
L.
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okay
if the water level is high enough, i can adapt
wonder if bloom and krup would consent to a demonstration
thanks everyone
i'm not sure i'd get through this process without you
if the water level is high enough, i can adapt
wonder if bloom and krup would consent to a demonstration
thanks everyone
i'm not sure i'd get through this process without you
Chlorine bleach sanitises and removes stains quite well in cold water. It is one of the things LCB users would lord over oxygen bleach in that the former will work in cold, but the later really requires warm,hot or even boiling water to really get going.
L.
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Toggleswitch
Oh!!!! King Kullen!..I want some of that King Kullen 'Lemon" fabric softener!! =)
Oh!!!! King Kullen!..I want some of that King Kullen 'Lemon" fabric softener!! =)
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MY LG
My LG front laod machine dispenses bleach into the first rinse cycle as well. I have been using Clorox "Ultimate Care" liquid bleach and it seems to work very well. it has the consistency of a fabric softener.
My LG front laod machine dispenses bleach into the first rinse cycle as well. I have been using Clorox "Ultimate Care" liquid bleach and it seems to work very well. it has the consistency of a fabric softener.
Bleach!
Actually in my LG combo the bleach goes in the last 5 minutes of the wash phase. I don't use bleach to often. I usually use TideHE powder and use 1/2 amount recommended and everything comes out clean. I usually use Clorex2. I used to add Boorteem but I don't like the new Boorteem. I also just purchased the new liquid TideHE consentrated, but haven't tried it yet.
Peter
Actually in my LG combo the bleach goes in the last 5 minutes of the wash phase. I don't use bleach to often. I usually use TideHE powder and use 1/2 amount recommended and everything comes out clean. I usually use Clorex2. I used to add Boorteem but I don't like the new Boorteem. I also just purchased the new liquid TideHE consentrated, but haven't tried it yet.
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Toggleswitch,
You are quite correct about the Maytag Neptune rinse sequences. In addition to what you said, there is a short spray rinse during the spin period between the wash and first rinse. It appears to be effective enough that the water of the second rinse is more clear than cloudy, but only when not too much detergent is used in the wash phase.
Toggleswitch,
You are quite correct about the Maytag Neptune rinse sequences. In addition to what you said, there is a short spray rinse during the spin period between the wash and first rinse. It appears to be effective enough that the water of the second rinse is more clear than cloudy, but only when not too much detergent is used in the wash phase.
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I am neurotic about laundry.....
While this thread went off on a little tangent, it is covering two topics that interest me....HE Detergents and Chlorine Bleach. Back 10 years ago when I was doing laundry in a top load Maytag washer and thinking I was "All That" I was mixing clorox and detergents in the wash cycle and complaining that nothing was "Made like it used to be" because stains would remain in white laundry. I bought a Front Load washer, stopped using Clorox, started using OxyClean, and thought I solved every laundry mystery. Now that I am more educated (thanks to many of you) and I have a Siemens Front Load Washer which dispenses chlorine bleach in the first rinse, I realize that I was making huge laundry mistakes early on. As for the HE detergents....I like powders. I believe that powders clean better and rinse cleaner (based on acutal tests here with my water, soil level, etc), but while Tide HE cleans great, it doesn't "Feel" like it rinses clean. Is there any low-sudsing detergent out there that cleans without over sudsing and rinses clean? I remember that my Grandma used ALL and loved it, but the new formula makes too much foam in my front loader. I tried the new Oxydol and while I like the scent, that makes too much foam as well.
While this thread went off on a little tangent, it is covering two topics that interest me....HE Detergents and Chlorine Bleach. Back 10 years ago when I was doing laundry in a top load Maytag washer and thinking I was "All That" I was mixing clorox and detergents in the wash cycle and complaining that nothing was "Made like it used to be" because stains would remain in white laundry. I bought a Front Load washer, stopped using Clorox, started using OxyClean, and thought I solved every laundry mystery. Now that I am more educated (thanks to many of you) and I have a Siemens Front Load Washer which dispenses chlorine bleach in the first rinse, I realize that I was making huge laundry mistakes early on. As for the HE detergents....I like powders. I believe that powders clean better and rinse cleaner (based on acutal tests here with my water, soil level, etc), but while Tide HE cleans great, it doesn't "Feel" like it rinses clean. Is there any low-sudsing detergent out there that cleans without over sudsing and rinses clean? I remember that my Grandma used ALL and loved it, but the new formula makes too much foam in my front loader. I tried the new Oxydol and while I like the scent, that makes too much foam as well.
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bing
all and surf powders were recently de-formulated
try tide with bleach powder
arm and hammer ultra powder
sears he free powder
fab liquid
ajax liquid
fresh start if available
kirkland powder
whole foods 365 powder
persil liquids or powders
mexican ariel (bagged)
ymmv
all and surf powders were recently de-formulated
try tide with bleach powder
arm and hammer ultra powder
sears he free powder
fab liquid
ajax liquid
fresh start if available
kirkland powder
whole foods 365 powder
persil liquids or powders
mexican ariel (bagged)
ymmv
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ALL "HE"
When I took delivery of my front loader a year ago, I had a large 100 oz (the big bottle with the spigot) container of All Clear, the variety that is marked "HE" but without the script "HE" logo. I often wonder if the script logo is licensed and if manufacturers have to pay a royalty to use it on their bottles.
The All Clear worked very well. I used 1/4-1/3 cupful (the plastic cup that comes with the bottle) with excellent results. Little to no foam left at the end of the cycle. But I shied away from it because it didn't appear to be HE-approved (whoever the hell approves the use of the logo), as if perhaps they weren't a true HE detergent and were ripping off the logo.
Consumer Reports tested the HE detergents and found Tide and Kirkland to be tops in performance in FLs....with Kirkland priced half of Tide, or less. All HE was tested, and was fair to middling. All Clear HE was not tested in the ratings.
When I took delivery of my front loader a year ago, I had a large 100 oz (the big bottle with the spigot) container of All Clear, the variety that is marked "HE" but without the script "HE" logo. I often wonder if the script logo is licensed and if manufacturers have to pay a royalty to use it on their bottles.
The All Clear worked very well. I used 1/4-1/3 cupful (the plastic cup that comes with the bottle) with excellent results. Little to no foam left at the end of the cycle. But I shied away from it because it didn't appear to be HE-approved (whoever the hell approves the use of the logo), as if perhaps they weren't a true HE detergent and were ripping off the logo.
Consumer Reports tested the HE detergents and found Tide and Kirkland to be tops in performance in FLs....with Kirkland priced half of Tide, or less. All HE was tested, and was fair to middling. All Clear HE was not tested in the ratings.
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sadly kirkland liquid is still sudsy-ish, in soft water
the powder is less sudsy than the liquid
but not always available
the powder is less sudsy than the liquid
but not always available
Darryl,
I am not aware of the 'spray' rinse in my Maytag Neptune. Does it pertain dial cycle or pushbutton cycle?
I am not aware of the 'spray' rinse in my Maytag Neptune. Does it pertain dial cycle or pushbutton cycle?
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bingwsguy~
Hi Joe..
As usual, I agree with Oxydolfan. I use Tide w/Bleach powder in my front load LG washer on whites. It lightly suds and is quite effective on the Sanitary cycle.I also bought a bag of mexican Ariel detergent in the bag. Loud smell,but works quite well and rinses clean. I would also recommend a dry oxy booster like BIZ or Snowy.
I washed 6 white, cotton dinner napkins stained with Tomato sauce, and this method removed all traces of stains.
If you ever use a non HE detergent, and you find the machine oversuds, add a little fabric softener to the detergent dispenser followed by some water and it will break down the oversudsing.
Hi Joe..
As usual, I agree with Oxydolfan. I use Tide w/Bleach powder in my front load LG washer on whites. It lightly suds and is quite effective on the Sanitary cycle.I also bought a bag of mexican Ariel detergent in the bag. Loud smell,but works quite well and rinses clean. I would also recommend a dry oxy booster like BIZ or Snowy.
I washed 6 white, cotton dinner napkins stained with Tomato sauce, and this method removed all traces of stains.
If you ever use a non HE detergent, and you find the machine oversuds, add a little fabric softener to the detergent dispenser followed by some water and it will break down the oversudsing.
