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askomiele

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Okay guys this is the ultimate question I've ever asked myself. I have a feeling that my whites are NEVER white. I see al those loads of whites but mine have a kind of a yellow and gray film on them. All whites are done with 100ml (5kg) of Dixan with no additive, so no chlorine or oxigen bleach. I leave in a hard water area but still I have no idea what I do wrong. Before dixan I used a ALDIbrand, and before that I used Persil. I wash all whites on 60°C.

What I also notice is that some things get a gray look when going in the dryer...

Any questions? :-p
 
Try a pre-wash with detergent and warm water (not above 40*C) Let the machine drain and spin.

Then do a regular wash.

After that add a few more rinses.

Perhaps you should do a boil-wash once a month? (95*C)?

100ml is about half a cup. Are you saying the load size is 5kg?

Gray is usally a sign of not enough detergent for the soil level, or too much reside (minerals or detergents). Have you tried a water-softening agent/chemical?
 
that's easy...
hard water!

1) Find your way to soften the water (it can be made mechanically of chemically)

2) use some kind of laundry booster. It's very difficult to get whitest whites using only detergent. Some oxy bleach bwould be great and I don't recommend LCB because of your water that can have lots of minerals and maybe some iron.

3) Sometimes, "gray" clothes means you're using less detergent than the necessary. You can also try to increase the dose.

4) Don't overload the machine.

5) Don't underload the machine, as clothes could float.

6) maybe some bluing? If you can't get rid of the yellow, you can make your eyes don't see it. LOL

7) wash board, soap bar, arms and warm water. your biceps will look great!

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I have personally had great luck using Persil Universal Gel in my Miele. I just put it on hot and set it for an extended wash with a 2 hour soak and an extra rinse! The whole cycle takes 3 hours and 29 minutes. A long time, but it never fails to produce some BRILLIANT whites! :)
 
~7) wash board, soap bar, arms and warm water. your biceps will look great!

HEY HEY HEY! LOL. I was going to suggest a top-loadiong (vertical axis) ,achine that acutally uses water, or washing by hand in the bathtub.

But I get tired of all the fights here that front-loaders are superior. (They are superior for SOME things........not EVERYTHING! just like top-loaders have their own imititions! )
 
I'd be adding....

Initially

USe the longest cycle and add a capfull of Calgon gel to the wash to soften the water if hard water is the issue...

Do this for a couple of cycles and see how you go.....

If you see improvement, which you should if you have hard water, then reduce back to the normal cycle you use but continue with either calgon or use an increased dosage of detergent....

You could also try Ariel powder which is meant to be very good and make sure that you're not (and I would think you're not) using a powder for colours on your whites....
 
my white whites recipie

120ml Ariel bio powder (soft water here)

In a good performing, cold fill only front loader, select cottons 40, or 60 if the load has cleaning cloths or towels for sanitation (IMO clothes come out just as clean at 40 as they do at higher temperatures with a good biological powder)

Half a cap of lenor if desired

et voila! White clean whites.

Sometimes I'll pre-treat if the stains have been left to set and will pre-rinse things with large amounts of mud or sediment on them.

Other than that nothing I have tried has produced any better results (and trust me I've tried almost every trick in the book)

I find if I try to wash for people who don't follow the basic rules of laundry i.e. constantly use short wash cycles and cheap detergent, then things cannot always be recovered, but most of the time my method seems to work out fine.

Good luck!

Matt
 
Automatic prewash

Why many US made FL don't have the prewash compartment in the drawer ? I'm sure this applies at least to the Affinity and to SQ frontloaders.

In europe last frontloaders with separate prewash were made in early sixties.

It's unbelievable .... in the US between WW I and WW II still there were automatic frontloaders while here we had washboards only ... ok, US maket went to VA toploaders, but now a double detergent dispenser or an internal heater seem to be a Cape Canaveral affair.

The Chinese too were not so familiar with FL. Anyway after their VA impeller toploaders were a flop on european markets, they quickly started to make frontloaders.We can discuss about their quality, however their machines have all the features of euro made ones (internal heater, 3 or 4 compartments dispenser) ...

Why Whirlpool had to make Duets in their german factories, where work cost is dearer than elsewhere ?
What's happened to american industrial skill ?
I'm aware Ford started in Detroit, not in Europe, so ?
 
Okay thx

Well I'll try to increase the dosage in my machine, and for those who suggested the machine does not use enough water... it use 10.5 per KG (thats 52.5l per load) I'll see what I can get out of the tips... I'll keep you guys posted!
 
askomiele,

That's a normal amount of water, so that is not the problem.
Your detergent is fine, so that is not the problem, both the brand and the quantity are ok.

I would guess it's one of three things:
1) The minerals in your water are getting 'stuck' in the fibers of your clothes. The calgon trick, or similar, should help.
2) Try taking them to a commercial laundry with a very high speed extractor. Wash them there with calgon and detergent in the hottest water you can use. Wash them again in just calgon.
If they really lighten up, then I suspect your washer is not extracting the wash water properly (either not spinning right or draining or rinsing right).
3) The minerals in your water don't work with your detergent. In Munich, for instance, we have both magnesium and calcium in the water, so soap powder really doesn't work and vinegar rinses are an absolute disaster.
 
Chlorine Bleach

A prewash with just regular detergent, Then in the main wash some chlorine bleach. This produces very white clothes. Do no over do it with the bleach.
 
Frigidaire (as of 2006) was US-made

My 2140 has a decal inside the door frame (dryer) that says the machine was made by Electrolux Home Products, Augusta, Georgia. Unless that is only the office address and the factory is elsewhere (Mexico?).

Anyway, I agree with you about US machines being way behind the European competition on features. A lot of this is because the US only rediscovered FLs c. 1997 when Maytag began marketing its Neptune washers. I believe Frigidaire may have made a FL that predated Neptune, but at most there was only one or two choices (other than an imported Miele) for FLs in the early and mid 1990s.

The result is that most consumers--who are not regulars here at AW--are buying a FL for the first time. There is a learning curve: their previous washers, and their mothers' previous washers, were nearly all TLs, if they were born/raised in USA.

The result is a pool of consumers who are not as well informed about features and don't really know how to "shop" a FL, other than color and size capacity, and sometimes an integrated heater is seen as a plus (though most buyers don't realize that the heater is used on many machines only for a Sanitize cycle, and that for other cycles the machine just pulls hot and cold water line temps, with Auto Temp regulating the mix in better models).

Our dials don't even give a temperature, they just say Cold, Warm, Hot. If you read the manual, you may find the definition of Cold, Warm, Hot, or maybe not. My 2140 does not have Auto Temp Control, so I know that Hot = hot water line temp, Cold = my cold water line temp, and Warm is somewhere in between. Had I known what Auto Temp Control was when I went shopping in 2006, I would have paid extra for the 2940, which has this feature (that limitation aside, 2140 does an excellent job of cleaning, and to be honest, after a week of using a Miele in NYC last week, I couldn't really see any difference in cleaning ability, plus the Miele took longer and had a smaller capacity).

You have to search the manual or specifications just to know what the spin speed is, most buyers don't even know their max spin speed. We don't have a uniform, EU-style rating system which rates with letters in the categories of Efficiency (least water and energy) and Cleaning Ability. We can sort of glean the water and energy efficiency of various models by determining if our local water agency and gas company gives rebates (there is a "water factor" that indicates how much water is needed to clean one cubic foot of laundry, you can look up the ratings but they aren't clearly posted at the store on each model).

Some people rely on Consumer Reports to make buying decisions. I think some of their reviews are crazy, but if you know nothing about the field, it's a better guide than nothing. One limitation of CR is that they don't test models over five years for reliability, they only test brand new models for cleaning ability, noise, energy/water consumption, etc. The Frigidaire 2940 consistently ranks as one of CR's "Best Buy" choices, for combination of washing ability and reasonable price (they won't give a "Best Buy" rating to something they feel is overpriced, even if it is a quality product). Ads for the 2940 often state that it is a CR Best Buy, and the machine is rarely discounted because the CR rating to some degree creates increased demand for the model.

So in summary, the US consumer is generally far less informed than a European consumer, and many are buying a FL for the first time. Like someone who grew up in New York City or London, without ever owning a car, now having to make an intelligent car choice.

As for the 2140's dispenser---the 2140 has compartments for detergent (but only one), fabric softener, and liquid bleach (yeccchhhh!!). I never use the latter two at all. I use only detergent and a small amount of borax (water softener for our hard water, works somewhat like Calgonite), both in the detergent drawer. Very rarely might use oxygen bleach powder, maybe once a year.

There is no pre-wash detergent dispenser, BUT it makes sense when you learn that 2140 has a Soak cycle, but no "automatic pre-wash". That is, you load the clothes and a half dose of detergent, the clothes soak in cold water and detergent for maybe 30-40 minutes, then the machine drain, spins out and shuts off (with clothes still quite wet). You then restart the machine with an appropriate wash cycle and a full dose of detergent (for me, this would be 50 ml of Tide HE powder or slightly less of German Persil or Via=Swedish Ariel).

There is no built-in pre-wash, and you cannot program the machine to advance automatically from the end of Soak to a Wash cycle, but the dispenser makes sense in the context of the machine's capabilities. Since some machines here lack either a Soak or a Pre-wash cycle, I am grateful to have this capability, even if I have to reset the machine (and I only do this for heavily soiled loads) after Soak cycle.

The current line of Frigidaire Affinity washers do not appear to have a Soak cycle; you can still buy the 2140 or 2940, but they appear to be phasing them out. The disappearance of the Soak cycle may have something to do with boosting their water efficiency ratings (or maybe a government requirement to use less water). There is an option called "Stain Clean", which stops the wash cycle for about 8-10 minutes of soaking, but the water would be the same temperature as the wash temperature (i.e. could be hot, whereas I understand a soak cycle works best in cold or barely warm water).
 
My whites get real white because I--------

----pre wash them using Gain with Bleach (powdered) in warm water. then,i use a hot main wash,another half scoop of Gain with Bleach and place 1/8 C. of Clorox Splashless HE chlorine bleach in the dispenser.Once the bleach enteres and the drum tumbles for about 3 minutes,I turn the washer off and reset the washer to come on one hour later allowing the load to soak in bleach water for an hour. It comes back on using the water already there and goes through the complete cycle wash,rinse 3 times and spin 1300 rpms.I just did 9 loads yesterday for a customer and they were floored when they saw how white their whites got.They never used chlorine bleach before???!!! but are now changing their minds about it. I charged them $65 for the work and they gave me a $100 bill telling me to keep the rest for a tip!Our 4 Speed Queen washers are currently out of commission because the drainage system is being redone and the sewerage here is being upgraded. The entire town is being done and making the main streets hard to travel becuse they're taring up the streets to get to every building here.This should have been done back in the 60's but the politicians were completely against it.Now,after many floods and backwashes of the previous system,they're fnaly resolving this.It's due to be completed by no earlier than 2012.So,I'm taking the laundry in using the LG and Frigemore units saving on water and energy. I hang most of the loads and put them in the dryer for about 15 minutes just to fluff them up.They smell great!
 
Hi Chuck, This is sort of what I do also at times.

If you want whites, Clorox is the only answer. Hands down!!

I wonder why so many people are afraid to use it? Been using all my life and never had yellow or gray whites.
 
C L O R O X

Accept NO substitutes, for a large top loader add 1 cup after the washing starts, for a front load 1/4 to 1/2 cup...H O T water, I mean REAL hot! your clothes cant help but be white.
 
Hi Hans. I could not agree more. No one here should be complaing about yellow of dingy whites if they used Clorox. (And only Clorox). lol

Detergent, phosphates, SSTP is all good, but there is nothing like Clorox.

I have an AEG washer with a boil wash, and they claim you do not need bleach. (Well......they were wrong. lol
 

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