I am asking for your help....

[hoover1060]

Very well said Veg!

I agree with Steve, excellent post <br
Its all about common sense and common courtesy.

 

[oxydolfan1]

Yes, is there any way possible that we can access the old threads anywhere, for information purposes <br
Thank you!

 

[westytoploader]

I sort of wish I had saved the old Tucson 2006 and Texas wash-in threads on the Super forum before the archives were "hard deleted." That's OK though; I did do wash-in picture threads in the Imperial forum as well so not to worry. <br
And please everyone, remember the title that you enter into your address bar every day or click on in your bookmarks. It's AUTOMATICWASHER.ORG. This is a WASHER AND APPLIANCE SITE (along with other things such as detergents, smalls, electronics, 'outdoor appliances' etc.), NOT a political rant site, NOT a self-pity site, NOT a news announcement site, or whatever else. Keep in mind the ORIGINAL intention. If you want to rant and express your feelings then create a website called crazypoliticalrant.org. Seeing this makes me miss the days when it was just the Applianceville board. All we talked about was vintage appliances (maybe a little modern thrown in from time to time) and nothing else. Not once did conversations get wildly off-topic over there <br
Honestly, it wouldn't be so bad if some people could take a joke and didn't manipulate things in their own twisted ways. 2 years ago (or even a year ago), if someone ranted or said something someone didn't like, we could give them a "virtual slap" and the result would be very humorous. Now, with all of the hungry sharks here waiting to attack, if someone makes a slap joke they will no doubt get taken seriously and jumped on; I've seen it happen. But I digress <br
And to those of you talking about rights, free speech, etc., there's absolutely nothing wrong with stating your opinions. I can only say this, though: remember where you are. This is Robert's site, as HIS time, effort, resources, etc. go into it, which enables him to do whatever he pleases, whenever. Some of you seem to be forgetting that and think it's a public access forum where you can say whatever you want and talk about whatever you want. Hardly the case <br
If the Super forum was one day up and gone, I would in fact miss it when I remember the time when it a fun place to be. Now, however, so many are abusing the "off-topic" privilege that I've become disgusted with it and could care less. I that hope in the coming weeks, there's enough improvement to where I change my mind. <br
I can definitely see where we will be talking about the forum situation as well in Tucson about 2 weeks from now <br
--Austin

 

[danemodsandy]

Westy:

You make an excellent point. AW.org is private webspace, and we are all guests in that webspace. If Robert cares to impose a standard or rule of his choosing, considerations of free speech do not apply. It's like being a guest in someone's house- you have a right to smoke, but not in someone else's house when you've been asked not to <br
My comments were only meant to reflect upon the supposed right not to be offended, which I don't think is a right at all. Look at it this way- how would it be possible to create an environment in which no one is ever offended? To take just one example, there are people who are offended by people who don't profess a religion- and there are people offended by the notion of religion itself. Now tell me, how do you make both those groups happy? You don't. <br
As someone else here said, we all would do well to unclench. But if Robert imposes a rule, that is his right, and we will have to get with the programme. <br

 

[andrewinorlando]

And if Robert asks to be left alone and not put in the middle with silly complaints, then respect his wishes! He has a life too, outside of this site, just like we all should. Sandy, you put it very eloquently! And I know I've said this before, but they're just words on a page everyone. They're just words. Be adult and move on to something more productive if you don't care for what's posted.

 

[oxydolfan1]

It's comments like Austin's that really go a long way to making myself and a number of other posters quite unwelcome here.

 

[hoover1060]

I am inclined to agree

with Oxydol's comments..
I feel very unwelcome now...

 

[runematic]

I must have missed the "offending" thread. I'm a pretty hard guy to offend and nothing here has made me run to Robert to complain. If it offends you, move on. I made a conscious effort to stay out of the political stuff a while back. I'd hate to see this site censored in any way. I guess maybe a little self-censorship would be called for though. I have a very dry sense of humor and it's sometimes tough to make the typed words sound like I mean. Anyway, I don't really have much to add to what was brought up above, just rambling. But, please, let Robert be, and move on if it ticks you off <br
I like the diversity of opinions and angles of view that are on here. It would be a shame to see it go.

 

[oxydolfan1]

"I like the diversity of opinions and angles of view that are on here. It would be a shame to see it go.&quot <br
Thanks. Some of us really like it here too.

 

[veg-o-matic]

3 and 5, 3 and 5.. <br
veg

 

[zipdang]

I agree with Scott and Jeff about the unwelcome vibe. At times there's a definite "student council" feeling from some <br
But I survived junior high once, and I can do it again. Roll on grade 8 part II.

 

[foraloysius]

This website in the first place is a website about appliances and appliance related topics. Things have run a bit out of hands lately, the Super Forum is the most used forum lately. IMHO that's beyond the purpose of this site. We shouldn't post every thought here that comes to our mind <br
That said, I think this site is more than just a site, we are a community. There are things beside appliances that we want to share with the members (or perhaps better: friends) here. Restrict the topics to just appliance related ones wouldn't do right to what this group of people turned into <br
I'm all for self-sensorship. Let's not bother Robert with complaints about the content of this forum. And let's agree on that he refers the complainers back to their own responsibility, that they must solve their own problems on the forum itself or by private email <br
Let's talk about appliances and sometimes about something else <br
Every member should feel welcome here <br
Louis

 

[retromom]

Oxydolfan and Jeff <br
Why exactly do you feel "unwelcome"? Oxydolfan, although you say that you are not a whiner, I have seen this complaint several times by you. Perhaps it is your own unwillingness to try to get along or even remotely respect others' points of view that have you feeling unwelcome. <br
Jeff, you said yourself that you have made many friends here at the site. That doesn't sound like being unwelcomed. Everyone in this group welcomes EVERYONE with open arms. <br
It's only after constant verbal jabs, insinuations, intolerance, and baiting, that people walk away and decide an effort of friendship is just not worth it. I've seen nothing in anyone's posts that targeted you or anyone else by name. <br
In essence, most people seem to be saying that the "Automatic Washer Forum" site is a good place to discuss appliances and all that relate to them. It is also mentioned that the non-relevant threads be posted a little more judiciously, people can continue to talk about what is on their minds, folks exercise some respect and decorum, and we should be grateful to Robert for putting up with all of this crap (I certainly wouldn't want to). We've all expressed our opinions, and whether we agree or not, they should be respected. With any luck at all, our efforts at self-moderation should enable everyone to enjoy the site <br
Is is that you "don't like the poster" or the message <br
Louis: Bravissimo! Well said!!

 

[zipdang]

Louis, I really like what you wrote. You have a very neighborly attitude that I much appreciate. I'm very happy that you're a part of this community.

 

[chachp]

When I moved from the "North" to the "South&q

I was advised by a number of my direct reports that I am now in the South and I've got to learn to relax and not sweat the things that in the grand sceme of things really are not all that important. But the truth was I was in a place that was new to me. The people were different, cultures were new to me, some were/are close minded bigots. Some left Guideposts booklets on my desk because they knew I was gay and didn't approve. <br
But I adapted because I CHOSE to stay. All of us have that option. If you don't like the post, leave it be. If you are so offended that you will absolutely die if you don't bitch then bitch to the author and leave Robert the hell alone <br
I love this site. I am in it every day and I would REALLY miss it. I live through so many of you with your wonderful collections. I don't have the room or the aptitude to do what many of you do so I live through you all. I don't want to loose that <br
You know, it took a while but I learned to slow down a bit, weave a little less in traffic, wait a couple of seconds before I pounce on the gas at the change of a red light. I survived and you all will too! <br
P.S. I still don't fry the shit out of everything and smother it in gravy! I have my limits. Now lighten up folks, don't be so uptight. Dont' sweat the really small stuff.

 

[mickeyd]

Chap! Chap!

I'm laughing my a$$ off at your new friends who fry the shit out of everything. It had me thinking about what horrible shits they must take.. OWWWW OWWWWW HORRIBLE HORRIBLE..........ooohhhh. <br <br
Right out loud laughing. Thank you, southern Dude <br
No offense, friends--sometimes ya just can't help it.

 

[hoover1060]

Its not the poster...

Its the message.. <br
I'm only 42, maybe I'm just not wise enough yet and am mis-interpreting what I am reading <br
I'll be keeping my distance from the poster too. Nothing personal or anything, just my choice.

 

[DADoES]

Private Board vs. Public Board

It IS public unless there's a mechanism in place to restrict access for even reading posts without registration (whether paid or free). Registration is required now to post, but it's not restricted. New registrations are not confirmed by separate contact before becoming active, e-mail addresses are not confirmed as valid, etc. Or has that been changed? I only registered the one time back at the beginning <br
A truly private board would not be accessible AT ALL unless logged-in. Registrations would not be accepted until confirmed by e-mail address or some sort of contact, and access control to prevent concurrent logins with the same username. It could even go to the point that new posts are held for review before becoming viewable. Of course that's not what we want, and it would involve a huge amount more work and attention ... but that's what would be a private board.

 

[danemodsandy]

DADoES:

Sorry if I was unclear- I didn't mean private in the sense of a closed club. My "smoking in someone's house" analogy might have contributed to that <br
It's more like owning a store, which is both private property and open to the public. You don't restrict who comes in, but you do have the right to say, "No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service" <br
Like that.

 

[48bencix]

In Response

I would like to say, in response to Robert's original post, I will not complain to him. I really think that is the main thing. That and being responsible to not give others a blast when I disagree with them <br
I can not express how much this site means to me. I feel more a part of this group than family, friends or work. I usually come here everyday, but when I miss, usually something happens. More than likely it is something fun, like someone getting a new washer, or someone fixing up their home for their Mom. But, most of the time I get such a great feeling <br
And the depth of knowledge here is astounding. Not only about washers and related appliances, but many other things too. I love the washer part, and have a couple of vintage washers. I wish I had more, but lack the room. But I have other vintage stuff that I want to share, such as my Zenith 1971 Console Stereo. <br
But, too, I do enjoy the occassional really off topic stuff that can get some riled. This may be one of the few places where we can discuss this stuff. So to me it's all good. If it really pi**es me off, I either don't respond, or try to make a logical arguement that may pull you over closer to my opinion. And if that doesn't work, I still love you (gush) and value your opinion <br
But don't feel unwelcome, everyone really is, and there is very little supervision. I hope we can still include threads that are not strictly appliance related. I really loved some of them about closed department stores, and elevators just to name two <br
Martin