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spiceman1957

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There is a space (Line #2) where they asked if a person lives in your household, what relationship is this person to you. I don't have a problem with checking unmarried partner, but I don't see how this will benefit the GLBT community as I live in a small town. Also, does this information get into anyone hands? Any comments?
John
 
The Census people say that the information is confidential. And, historically, the data is kept that way for a long, long time.

But...what is troubling is that there is a possibility of the info being used against a person. I enclose a link to an article talking about times when the confidential info is released early. Sometimes, this may be justified for national security. But there is also a risk that it could be used to harm groups that aren't a problem for national security, but are hated for no reason like happened in Nazi Germany.

If I were in the position of many people here who are gay, and living with a partner, I think I'd be a little worried. Maybe even paranoid. IF the far out conservatives win control on the US government AND they decide to get rid of gays (as has been suggested here) THEN they might create an act "for national security" to study census records so they can figure out who to come after.

Paranoid? Probably. But after what I've seen happen in US government since the 90s, I'm not sure I'd consider any paranoid idea "impossible" anymore.

The link is to one article. A Google search will turn up more like it.

http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=5149
 
I still believe...

...gay folks are in far more threat if the far left gains control.

Sorry I couldn't resist but to say it :)

Of course the wacky left and the wacky right are not that far different...

Hunter
 
The government "coming after gays"??????

C'mon man, unless you guys are sitting on an a (dare I say it) butt load of crud oil, I really don't think anyone give's a damn.

Although the sensus did seem to put a lot of effort into finding out if I was hispanic, wanted to be hispanic, was married to a hispanic, had hispanic kids, should be hispanic, knew anyone hispanic, or was hispanically related to other hispanic nationalities.

I found the whole thing sort of humorous and very scewed......"We need your phone number in case we have a question about one of your answers." BS, like they're going to call me. Who are they kidding. The government is going to use the census hunt down gays. That's why I wrote on mine in big black letters..."I'M not the gay or the hispanic."
 
I was surprised how short the census was! Mine had no questions about being gay, but did have several about being Hispanic. And one question asked if you were paying a mortgage or fully owned the house you live in. And that's it! It took about 90 seconds to complete.

The pamphlet is several pages long, but each page is a repeat of the first page, to be filled out only if you have more than one person living in your house.
 
I don't think they would need to use the Census to find Gays and Lesbians. If they wanted to find who was, there are the membership lists and IP addresses and neighbors who would sing like canaries about any aspect of anyone's life, just like they did in Germany and the Eastern Bloc countries and here in the United States of America. In the early 50s, dozens of homosexuals were fired from a federal agency in one day based on what investigators had found out. Once a demagogue stands up and starts calling people a threat to the nation's security, morals, children, etc., it takes more fiber than most elected officials possess to face down the SOB and demand proof because they will be attacked with the same charges by the demagogue and his or her minions. That is why engaging in hate speech is as dangerous as burning trash outdoors on a windy day during a drought in brushland next to a forest.
 
Okay, seriously....

.....what's with all the paranoia about being hunted down because "you're" not a breeder?

If anyone wanted to know where to find "you" they could just wait for the annual GLBT parade, or hit the local spa or club scene. Nothing "you're" doing is top secret.

No offense, but it's probably not in the best form to compare anything to what happened to Jews before and during WWII.
 
I can tell you this

As a former third party debt collector. I would have given my right dangly part to have gotten my hands on current Census information.

The comparison I read was not so much between what happened in Germany to the Jews but more what happened to people of Japanese decent here in this country.

You never know what Homeland Security may deem as reasonable to pursue. Maybe they want to crack down on illegal aliens. Maybe they want to hunt down Mulsums in America.

The Census is and should remain as only a tool to count the residents and properly distribute representation and benefits.
 
.....what's with all the paranoia about being hunted dow

You plainly have not had brick thrown thru your windows. Been called all the "gay" names. or had your cars windows smashed tires slashed or been fired from jobs as so many of us have over the years. And for what is is worth the Hate of Gays up until about 12 0r 15 years ago WAS VERY much like the hate of the JEWS. After a lot the pure HATE I have been thur over they years HOW DARE YOUR PREACH ABOUT PARANOIA!
 
If you go to city-data.com, each city has a separate statistic for "Percentage of households with unmarried partners". There's also a percentage for "Likely homosexual households (counted as self-reported same-sex unmarried-partner households)"

It's up to you whether you want to go on record with this census info. Only aggregate data is public for the first 75 years, but some future relative may get a kick out of knowing his great-great-great-uncle was probably gay. Back in the dark ages, when people actually gave a shit about these private details and gay people couldn't even marry each other.
 
Did any of you find it odd that the census wants our names AND phone number? To me it's "Big Brother" wanting to cross-check lists and find who's naughty or nice. I sent mine back with US Citizen as a name and no phone number. My 2c.
 
Greg, you'll likely get a visit or three from them. Not filling out the form is a max $100 fine, but giving false answers is a max $500 fine. Next time leave those fields blank.

Or to avoid problems, simply give your name and write NONE for phone number.
 
"I don't see how this will benefit the GLBT communit

It's not meant to benefit or harm anyone, except the clowns in Washington. Here comes the district reapportions to help keep them in office.
 
I too checked an unmarried partner, living here. Sudsman, you forgot all the fun stuff, like your mailbox bashed, or your driveway piled full of every Christmas tree on the block. alr2903
 
alr2903 (The South)

Oh, that the easy to deal with stuff..That we became almost accustomed to.But the other stuff like Spray paint on your car "here come a queer" or "a queer lives here" spray paint on the front door.just weekly occurances.
 
I have not mailed my census

in yet. After reading these posts, I think I will include my partner as a roommate. As stated, I live in a small town about a mile from the big city limits, so I don't think it matter one way or the other what I put down. It's not like there is going to sidewalks, bus service, etc. in my area. It would be nice if every GLBT could come together in numbers. But I guess we are not quite ready for this as yet. It's very said that we can't live with whom we want too, and where we want to in America without suffering repercussions. And another thing, I'm certainly will not include my phone number. My name and address is enough!
John
 
The Secretary of Commerce was on the Daily Show this week. He said that Census info was even protected from the Patriot Act. He also said that if they do not receive a reply to each form sent out, they will send out Census takers to obtain your answers. If you are interested in saving the government money and reducing the deficit, mailing it back would be a good first step. The first form was sent out during Washington's Presidency. Two questions are missing from this form that were included in that one: Are you the head of the household? How many slaves do you own?

Does anyone remember the famous 1960 long form with page after page of questions? My brother and I had great fun with the question wanting to know if the dwelling had a flush toilet. We never outgrew potty humor. Our parents let us read the questions to them and mark the answers.
 
yeah, right...

The data *may* be protected now but it takes only the stroke of a pen to change that.

If we could reduce government to the scope that it SHOULD be (namely about the size of 3-5% of GDP) we'd have way more than enough money for EVERYTHING we needed. Including really high care healthcare.

Hunter
 
reducing government

Hunter, Be sure and try to tell your elected officials that you want spending curtailed on defense projects like weapons that the Pentagon does not want but that congress insists on building because the money goes to the defense contractors who make such large bribes, I mean campaign contributions. And while you are at it, mention the price supports that we pay to farmers who produce more milk and other crops than we can use so the govemnment pays to store them. I am sure most of us could get by on $500,000 a year without government subsidies, unlike some of the corporate farms that masquerade as family farms. Why do you think that almost every recipe you see in a magazine or newspaper has cheese added gratuitously? It's because the dairy producers are trying to get people to use up the damn dairy products. Farmers are against taxes, but are the first to squeal when a storm or drought or flood hits them. Then they want relief on top of their subsidies. Candy companies have moved out of the US because our sugar is so expensive because congress has a deal with the two Cubans who own the sugar plantations in Florida that pollute the Everglades. Our sugar prices are high for what is produced here and what little can be imported has to be sold at the same high prices or bought by the government and turned into another boondoggle, ethanol. Like the road signs read, "Your tax dollars at work."

Maplight.org is a new website that tracks political contributions and the way recipients of those contributions vote on issues involving matters of interest to contributors. This is the first time that the corruption will be available for all to see. It will be interesting to see how much and to whom the health insurance industry has paid for support. Likewise it will be interesting to see who yells loudest about homeland security yet refuses to do anything to wean us off petroleum, because they are on the payroll of big oil, while never acknowledging how much money our oil habit puts in the hands of our enemies in the middle east.

And, Hunter, while you are talking to them, you might want to suggest that until Republican officials can keep their pants zipped while away from the little lady, they might want to stop all of that morality bullcrap. Ensign's shenanigans are turning into quite the boquet of skunk cabbage with the latest subpoenas of the Republican Party and the revealing emails asking credit card companies for contributions to sway legislation. You might be pissed about the mess that is government. I am totally pissed off because I see, read and hear about more government crap each day than most of you do in a week. Mark Twain was right when he said that America has no distinct criminal class except congress. I would expand that to include a percentage of the other two branches of government as well, irrespective of party affiliation.
 
Tempest in a Teapot

I filled out the form in about 2 minutes.

It was a lot simpler than the long form I received in 2000... which wanted to know how many toilets, etc...

This one was short and sweet. Someone with 14 children (Octomom?) would of course take a bit longer.

Phone number? The local Dems already have it. I have to put my answering machine on announce only during election times.
 
I also find it truly bizarre...

...that:

1. I got a letter saying 'oh your census form is going to arrive.'
2. I got the census form.
3. I got a post card saying 'Your census form should have arrived!'

Please, spare me the waste.

Hunter
 
Married

Since my partner and I got married here in California during that brief period when we could, that is the box I checked. I have no problem with people checking that box as a same sex couple. That's about the only way we will be counted.
 
You would think the instructions to THIS important document would be in other languages!

IIRC Out-Q radio was saying the only way to get counted as a gay person --unoficially by other organizations that interpolate and extract data-- is to mark unmaried same-sex partners in the box. (Single gays don't exist, apparently).

I thought they said that marking married and same-sex or the equivalent means the data gets put aside until it is decided how to classify the entry.

The whole tax mess and the repercussions of being married on the state level, but not the federal level sound fun, fun, fun!

I think there should be no such thing as marriage in the government's eyes. Make EVERYONE have to have a civil union at city hall on the federal or state level. Make NEW church/temple/synagogue marriages going forward from xx/xx/xx date have no legal meaning. VOILA. Problem solved.
 
Toggleswitch2, you've read my mind.

I agree completely about civil unions and marriages.

My wife and i had a civil marriage. Neither of us were churchgoers. We also had a mostly private commitment ceremony but we weren't going to be hypocritical enough to attend a church long enough to have a 'wedding' and then stop going.

Have EVERYONE have civil unions to protect assets and then have a wedding in the church of their choice. Legally you are 'partners.' Further, expand 'partners' to greater than 2 consenting adults for all I care - there are many polyamorous people in the world.
 
IIRC Out-Q radio was saying the only way to get counted as a gay person --unofficially by other organizations that interpolate and extract data-- is to mark unmarried same-sex partners in the box. (Single gays don't exist, apparently).

Fred and I proudly marked unmarried same-sex partners on our census form. Finally weIn my opinion not filling out the census form is not only hurts you, but also your community and city.
 
Civil unions & marriage

I have heard that C.S. Lewis was actually married twice to the same woman. She was an American, and the first time was for "benefits" (mainly hers--this meant she could legally stay in England). Later, they realized she was more than a mere friend, and so they got married again in a religious ceremony so that they'd be married in the eyes of God, or, at least in the eyes of their best understanding of God.

It has long seemed to me that it would be best to have a civil ceremony for government granted benefits, and a religious ceremony, if desired, that reflects the needs of individual people and whatever church they may belong to.
 
I'll take the chance (risk?) and ask the question.......

Nothing underhanded and no ulterior motive - just simply a curiosity on my part. Any issue with having a conservative approach to issues here? I don't consider myself right wing (HC discussion excepted) but more towards the center albeit the right side of it - I'm definately more moderate than I used to be.

At any rate, just wondered..... realize that being on the right side of center puts me in a minority here in many, though not all, of the issues discussed outside of the vintage appliances that we all have a common interest in.
Do appreciate the (here's the word - lol!) tolerance here even with my more right take on things and the decidedly right take on the HC issue.

As to the census - yep we have ours and will be sending it in shortly..... not much to say about it from my standpoint - small household - just me, my wife, two dogs and a cat! Solidly middle class or so neighborhood (subdiv) where we live here in eastern TN. Got enough lumps so go easy guys... lol!!

Thanks!
 
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