Ignis Superautomatica become SuperECOLOGICA

[vivalalavatrice]

I washed enough (but honestly I won't ever wash enough) with my Ignis to say this (wich are then my thesis conclusions):

- the horizontal axis with tumble action is the better way to wash comparing with the vertical axis, in terms of water consuptions and fabric stress;

- the TL way is better that the FL, so TLHA would the the technology to improve;

- the drum with 4 paddles gives a faster agitatione than a 3 or less paddles drum;

- hot-cold fill, allow to use alternative energy source than the common electric internal water heater, such as solar boards or other way like wood burning or biomass;

- the sud-saving should be an option to be available again

To these I would add the possibility to save the last 2 rinses water that could be internal processed (regeneration of grey water!) and here you are what it went out...

 

[vivalalavatrice]

For all...

Don't be impressed by the numbers, here you are the explanation:

one cycle could use from 75 to 110 litres of water, that's 15 for wash and 20 for each of the 3 rinses provided of otherwise 15prewash, 15mainwash and then 20 for each of the 4 rinses provided:

Either with 3 or with 4 rinses, the last two will be done with fresh water but:

3 rinses start with 1 in REGENERATED water;
4 rinsed start with 2 in REGENERATED water;

At end you could use 55 up to maximum 70 litres of water

The washing machine handle 6-7Kg

THIS IS MY INVENTION, I HAVE NOT PATENTED ANYTHING, SO WHOEVER WANT TO DO IT... COME ON!

In Italy I already show it in a forum...but saw that people started to complain to this I wondered why don't try to sho to someone more "mind-opened" oustide!? Where better than here?

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Give me the convert reate...

I'll do it in English just for you!

 

[vivalalavatrice]

And here you are the program table...

The Ignis Superautomatica is like this

 

[vivalalavatrice]

...and this

would be the SupECOLOGICA

 

[vivalalavatrice]

oh... what a sadness...

nobody's going to comment my last word in washing?

 

[funguy10]

Are you getting rid of the IGNIS?

 

[mielabor]

The duration of the washing, 15 to 18 minutes, seems a bit short to me. I wonder if the results would be acceptable, especially with the lower temperatures.

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Are you getting rid of the IGNIS?

ABSOLUTETLY NO! My hardly-found machine is in my laundry and never for all the gold of the wordl I'll get rid of her!
I care her too much to let her go...

You might ask me to do very much more pix or videos... but I know it would be enough to say "VENDESI"...like bears on hooney! LOL!

No answer from or answer intended to be not interesting in thing like this form Ignis that's here a Whirlpool brand

I asked for speaking with someone of the Electrolux either... no answer

I'm planning to contact Merloni and Candy-group either...

What about AMERICA!? Is there anyone knowing if this system would be suitable over there? I mean are American appliances producers available to valutate this new?!?!?!

Thanks
Diomede

 

[vivalalavatrice]

The duration of the washing,

Trust in my experiments! I own it and I try it with several cycles... I can warrant that the results are wonderful.

This is due to the higher water level comparing with the "humid" wash which is the trend of nowadays washing machine (ever less water!!!), and with a drum with 4 and not only 3 paddles...

Then the duration is intended excluded the heating phase, thus you have to add to this the phase while the machine heat and the pauses are longer that the agitation periods, reached the temperature the timer go on and the machine start the agitation (tumbling left-right) but with shorter pauses.

Although this the cycle are shorter anyway comparing with any other tublingh washing machine I tried in this last 20 years...

 

[funguy10]

What about AMERICA!?

Staber Industries exclusively manufactures Top-Load Horizontal-Axis washers. Why don't you click the link on this post and have a look-see.

http://www.staber.com

 

[dj-gabriele]

Hi Diomede!
IIRC there already is some kind of Eastern manifacturer washer (HA) that recycles its own water... Samsung, Hitachi maybe? I can't really tell the name as now... but that would be a nice idea applied to "European" machines too, also with the shorter cycles that many will like.
Ciao!

 

[vivalalavatrice]

there already is some kind of Eastern manifacturer washer (H

...really?! I believed to have done the deepest research in washing machines world sector... honestly I haven't found yet nothing as you described...

I know ther's an appliances which consist of dryer stacked on a washer (two drums but one cabinet only), in which the water left from the condensing process of the drying cycle is used in following wash cycle...

A washing method like mine I've never heard yet of it...
Anyway I'll look for things like that as soon as possible to verify the status of it.
Thanks

GoodBye
Diomede

 

[bewitched]

Advice for ecology's sake...

Hello Dio,
perhaps you don't know there are washing machines around other than the Ignis top load...
Anyway, why don't you fill the drum with fresh chestnut earth, put inside some bean seeds and let the rust do the rest...
Nature is calling for your Ignis top load!!!

Cheers

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Nature is calling for your Ignis top load!!!

Marco, this is MY example, to go ahead... what is yours? Let me know how would you transform to improve a vintage washing machine to be a modern one?

Have a look there...

http://www.plcforum.it/forums2/index.php?showtopic=41694

 

[vivalalavatrice]

The Ignis name....

If you look carfully at the previous comments... the Ignis name came out only in the program table chart, to be guide line...the in the washing methods scheme there's no Ignis name left...

 

[mrboilwash]

Hi Diomede,

I remember I have seen a similar horizontal axis toploader in a German "Quelle Katalog" (a mail-order house) which could store its last rinse water in a built in tank for the next wash. After a few days the washer would beep to remind the user to pump out the water before it becomes stinky.
I dont know if the tank could be used if one used a fabric softener. However I remember one could switch off the strorge tank and discard the last rinse water directly if desired.
I`m not sure what year I have seen it, maybe late 1980s or early 1990s.
Most Quelle Privileg washers of that time used to be rebaged Zanussis, but not all of them.
However that concept was probably not very successful, because I have never seen it again.

 

[lavamat78800]

In the 95´s Privileg featured a washing machine at which you could set the water level on a small knob.
But I think it was a no-go.

 

[mrboilwash]

Nino, are you talking about a knob to set water levels according to the load size, like some Indesits of that time had ?
I think these did not have a storage tank, did they ?

 

[lavamat78800]

No, I don´t think they had a storage tank..but I don´t know.
I can´t compare it to Indesit, because I never was interested in such unknown brands over here in Germany!
I don´t know much about washing machines made before the 90´s because im born in 91.

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Thank you Stefan

Good to know what you described...

Yes, I was just intendeed to be tomorrow's washers like those of that period when you could store the water...

The evolution is the you could store not tonly the last but the LAST TWO rinses. So as you could be able to wash without aggressive detergent (youse a salt like potassium hydroxide) your last two rinses water could be EASIER regenerated.

Main-wash and pre-wash water perfomr the first frame of the cycle, then the 3 or the 4 cycles of rinse water perform in the second one.

Thanks for the precious information...so know I know that something of concrete exists...

Diomede

PS: Nino, Yes there were some seventies Indesit here with the sudsaving system.

 

[mrboilwash]

Diomede, I`m glad if my info was helpful, but I`m not even 100% sure if it was a Quelle catalogue. We also had "Baur" then it could also have been a "Foron" machine.
As far as I know, Foron was an East German appliance brand of low quality but after the German reunion they had some innovative solutions for the enviroment, like the first CFC-free fridge. However a washer which stores water for reuse was a no-go back then and I guess most consumers still think the same way.

 

[vivalalavatrice]

However a washer which stores water for reuse was a no-go ba

Stefan, you're right saying this...but how many very important things about everything we buy everyday are shutting up?!

We mustn't say nothing of false... just not to say all the truth The water storing should be proposed to the customers as a "secondary conseguence" of the more impoartant festurse that's he will be allowed to wash with 110 litres of water per cycles only wasting 50l.

The trend to minimize water in wash cycle (which is leading us
to consider "humid" and not in-water the opposit of the dry cleaning system) justify the no more need to save the water in such a lot of litres/gallons used in a cycle...

But is there anyone who will accept a washer like that you described (with the no-stink-beep) which save the water with all the bad conseguences you're saying the consumers wouldn't accept in order to wash splashing like so few washing machines we saw/heard in our life?

Diomede

 

[chestermikeuk]

No Stink Beep...

Hi Diomede, that one made me laugh, imagine the salesmen having to explain that one!!! ALTHOUGH, its an excellent feature to have on a machine, My ideal machine would have variable time, temp, spin speed & water level, along with speed of agitation, link that with water tanks labelled "Spin -To-Save" that would be purfect....

Love the detail on your programming, it would be interesting to see it run on say Roberts Super Unimatic front loader!!!!

Keep up the good work, Mike

 

[vivalalavatrice]

imagine the salesmen having to explain that one!!!

Mike... honestly it makes me laugh either! But as I said designing means for me to be always in looking for a solution to a problem... in this case the water could stink? Provide a beep function! The beep function in not good longer? The machine drains automatically the stinky water after a preset period (12h i.e.)

Thanks for compliments and for collaboration

IMHO I would prefer this one with 110l washing cycle use than those Oriental washers (and Haier France made something like that too) which use ONE WATER FILL ONLY but with the electrolys would like to remove the dirt. Of course that this would be an effective way...but would you trust in machine washing a laundry with one fill only and without absolutely any other rinse cycles further!?