repairguy
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I did too. They may not have had the heavier materials like the dependable care machines but they had a good wash action and many of them lasted 20 years.
In your opinion, when was the true beginning of the end for Maytag?
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mickeyd
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Spilled a quart or two, working the hose whilst draining the spray rinse from the Maytag into the Frigidaire. The volume of water nearly fills the Frigidaire. Now that’s a spray rinse, surpassed only by the GM 1-18perhaps.
Spilled a quart or two, working the hose whilst draining the spray rinse from the Maytag into the Frigidaire. The volume of water nearly fills the Frigidaire. Now that’s a spray rinse, surpassed only by the GM 1-18perhaps.
"Shocked that you would undercut the generous luxurious spray rinse on the Maytag. It's seven gallons, man, maybe eight, more than double the measly three you suggest."
I never measured it, but having a tempering valve skews the results since it adds hot water to the cold water during the fill for a 85F final temp. Winter temps skew the results even more with it adding additional hot water to maintain the target temp, increasing the total water volume. Selecting warm uses a bunch of water being cold+hot for the proper cold temp + hot water, so its cold+hot+hot for 120F. Now with a modified timer motor and a 1:30 spray rinse, it's most likely exceeding 10 gallons during a warm spray rinse. I should install water flow meters on both spigots and get some accurate readings for cold and warm spray rinses as well as monitor them throughout seasonal temperature changes.
I never measured it, but having a tempering valve skews the results since it adds hot water to the cold water during the fill for a 85F final temp. Winter temps skew the results even more with it adding additional hot water to maintain the target temp, increasing the total water volume. Selecting warm uses a bunch of water being cold+hot for the proper cold temp + hot water, so its cold+hot+hot for 120F. Now with a modified timer motor and a 1:30 spray rinse, it's most likely exceeding 10 gallons during a warm spray rinse. I should install water flow meters on both spigots and get some accurate readings for cold and warm spray rinses as well as monitor them throughout seasonal temperature changes.
panasonicvac
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I think acquiring Hoover and other brands instead of focusing more on what they already have to improve the products better.
Regarding the Neptunes, I honestly liked those as we had a set before and my grandfather still has his today. They do a great job, they looked so cool especially with the electronic touch screens on ours, and they seem to hold up well for us other than our gas dryer which the motor died after 10 years of use but I would've had it fixed instead of tossing it out.
Regarding the Neptunes, I honestly liked those as we had a set before and my grandfather still has his today. They do a great job, they looked so cool especially with the electronic touch screens on ours, and they seem to hold up well for us other than our gas dryer which the motor died after 10 years of use but I would've had it fixed instead of tossing it out.
whirlpool/maytag
At least Whirlpool used Maytag on their direct drive washers and dryers, and later their tall tub dishwashers.
At least Whirlpool used Maytag on their direct drive washers and dryers, and later their tall tub dishwashers.
I think had Maytag gotten on the China bandwagon very early they could have made the expensive pitman trans there for pennies instead and it would have been just as durable. I think the trans was the biggest cost in building those washers since it was so well built.
If the 2-belt Maytag washer platform was a better design and more durable then wouldn't Whirlpool reasonably have gone the other direction ... abandoned the direct-drive and labeled the Maytag design as Whirlpool? And perhaps abandoned the VMW design which surely was already in development in 2006 since it debuted 4 years later in 2010.
DD vs Dependable Care
My guess is DDs had more capacity (one of the big reasons DDs sold more), the factory more advanced, easier to service over all, less raw metal, no need to redesign the agitator for more aggressive cleaning, and I'll give a bet that in 2006 Whirlpool had already made a decision to cease DD production as a whole in the next 10 years.
At that point keeping Dependable cares in production would not make any financial sense, considering the average person does not know, or care, about the difference between the two or what took their place altogether.
Now, if everyone was like me the dependable cares would have become the new DDs. Heck, the DDs would never have even caught on to begin with. But sadly, and perhaps less so today but very common back then, US culture tends to be anti intellectual. Not looking for what lasts the longest or the best in the long term, but rather what ticks superficial boxes at the time of purchase.
My guess is DDs had more capacity (one of the big reasons DDs sold more), the factory more advanced, easier to service over all, less raw metal, no need to redesign the agitator for more aggressive cleaning, and I'll give a bet that in 2006 Whirlpool had already made a decision to cease DD production as a whole in the next 10 years.
At that point keeping Dependable cares in production would not make any financial sense, considering the average person does not know, or care, about the difference between the two or what took their place altogether.
Now, if everyone was like me the dependable cares would have become the new DDs. Heck, the DDs would never have even caught on to begin with. But sadly, and perhaps less so today but very common back then, US culture tends to be anti intellectual. Not looking for what lasts the longest or the best in the long term, but rather what ticks superficial boxes at the time of purchase.
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It would've made more sense. Heck, Maytag could've gone the neutral drain like Whirlpool and later GE did.
It would've made more sense. Heck, Maytag could've gone the neutral drain like Whirlpool and later GE did.
Why would Maytag have to go neutral drain when their swirl-away drain is the ultimate in laundry performance?
most advanced factory
Who had the most advanced factory by far when it comes to laundry?
Who had the most advanced factory by far when it comes to laundry?
From everything I read, Whirlpool. I even remember reading an article that Whirlpool was supposedly shocked at how many years behind Maytag was. But to me, that does not mean much. I find technology like cheese and wine. The older it gets the more delicious it becomes.
technology
I was thinking whirlpool had the most technology. When did they use the most electronics? Which of the manufacturers had their first website and when?
When did they use their first computer to do research? Did they use the internet? If so, that may explain why Whirlpool had the most advanced technology when it came to laundry.
I was thinking whirlpool had the most technology. When did they use the most electronics? Which of the manufacturers had their first website and when?
When did they use their first computer to do research? Did they use the internet? If so, that may explain why Whirlpool had the most advanced technology when it came to laundry.
maytag right leaning thinking
What was the right leaning thinking of Maytag?
What was the right leaning thinking of Maytag?
How many gallons per minute did OEM Maytag center dial fill valves let through?
I'm thinking Maytag could have ditched the deep rinse altogether. That way production could have stayed up until today.
For example:
Fill-
10 minute wash
1 minute pause
3 minute spin
1 minute spin and spray
1 minute spin
1 minute spin and spay
1 minute spin
1 minute spin and spray
5 minutes spin
-Off.
Fits the same cycle time and increments.
I'm thinking Maytag could have ditched the deep rinse altogether. That way production could have stayed up until today.
For example:
Fill-
10 minute wash
1 minute pause
3 minute spin
1 minute spin and spray
1 minute spin
1 minute spin and spay
1 minute spin
1 minute spin and spray
5 minutes spin
-Off.
Fits the same cycle time and increments.
danelto
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Maytag Atlantis
I was told by a repairman that I had the last of the good Maytags.
I purchased a Maytag Atlantis because weekly laundry was simply not getting done in my house on the GE filter flow in the basement.
That was at least 25 years ago and the machine is still running.
Only thing: the lid switch is busted and I have to stick a chop stick or a screw driver in the little hole to get it to work.
The GE was 2.8 cubic feet. I think the Maytag Atlantis was 3.5 cubic feet.
It's huge.
And when it comes to washing machines, size does matter! LOL
I was told by a repairman that I had the last of the good Maytags.
I purchased a Maytag Atlantis because weekly laundry was simply not getting done in my house on the GE filter flow in the basement.
That was at least 25 years ago and the machine is still running.
Only thing: the lid switch is busted and I have to stick a chop stick or a screw driver in the little hole to get it to work.
The GE was 2.8 cubic feet. I think the Maytag Atlantis was 3.5 cubic feet.
It's huge.
And when it comes to washing machines, size does matter! LOL
GE vs. maytag
I thought the GE was 3.2 cubic feet.
I thought the GE was 3.2 cubic feet.
norgeway
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I have never
Understood the whole Maytag worship thing, I mean, they are the most tempermental machine ever built, Ive had 6 of them, one brand new in 1986, none have ever washed more than 3 loads in a row without getting out of balance, if you put the same amount of clothes in one you put in almost any other washer, they struggle and dont wash very well, I grew up with Frigidaires in 1986 our old roller matic finally wore out, Mother bought a new Maytag, it was so bad in a little more than a year She told me to go get a washer that wouldnt cause cursing and swearing, I got a filter flo and had no more problems.
Understood the whole Maytag worship thing, I mean, they are the most tempermental machine ever built, Ive had 6 of them, one brand new in 1986, none have ever washed more than 3 loads in a row without getting out of balance, if you put the same amount of clothes in one you put in almost any other washer, they struggle and dont wash very well, I grew up with Frigidaires in 1986 our old roller matic finally wore out, Mother bought a new Maytag, it was so bad in a little more than a year She told me to go get a washer that wouldnt cause cursing and swearing, I got a filter flo and had no more problems.
Reply # 47
Hi Dan, The Atlantis is a Norge design, and while it holds more and performs much better than a real helical drive MT it was not considered a highly durable machine.
How many loads a week has your machine averaged ?
John L.
Hi Dan, The Atlantis is a Norge design, and while it holds more and performs much better than a real helical drive MT it was not considered a highly durable machine.
How many loads a week has your machine averaged ?
John L.
Reply #49
If you have a Maytag in a house with a raised foundation, they will move since the floor is giving in. Most Maytags were installed in homes that had a solid concrete floor or were in a basement with a concrete floor.
If you have a Maytag in a house with a raised foundation, they will move since the floor is giving in. Most Maytags were installed in homes that had a solid concrete floor or were in a basement with a concrete floor.
Reply #49
If you have a Maytag in a house with a raised foundation, they will move since the floor is giving in. Most Maytags were installed in homes that had a solid concrete floor or were in a basement with a concrete floor.
If you have a Maytag in a house with a raised foundation, they will move since the floor is giving in. Most Maytags were installed in homes that had a solid concrete floor or were in a basement with a concrete floor.
norgeway
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I agree
My Aunt bought a 606 extra large washer and matching dryer, used them 33 years, but hers sat on a concrete floor, ours was on wood in our old house.
My Aunt bought a 606 extra large washer and matching dryer, used them 33 years, but hers sat on a concrete floor, ours was on wood in our old house.
danelto
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Reply to John #47
Hi John:
How many loads does that Maytag handle in a week?
Answer: A helluva lot.
It went through four kids and an ex-wife.
I actually got a GE high efficiency in my upstairs.
The reason?
I'm hosting several international scholars.
The scientist from Poland told the toxicologist from Spain that he preferred to use the second rinse option when laundering his clothes. He felt that "American" detergent was too harsh on his clothes.
So. . .this shot through the house likje wildfire and all the scholars I'm hosting this semester started double rinsing their clothes.
Funny how (when you're not paying for the water) that errant idea takes root.
When the Polish scientist washed one towel and double rinsed it, i decided that was the final straw.
When I came up and found the Spanish toxicologist washing three garments and had the water level set to medium with a double rinse, I went for the GE HE pair and had them delivered right away.
They can double rinse all they want in three inches of water!
Hi John:
How many loads does that Maytag handle in a week?
Answer: A helluva lot.
It went through four kids and an ex-wife.
I actually got a GE high efficiency in my upstairs.
The reason?
I'm hosting several international scholars.
The scientist from Poland told the toxicologist from Spain that he preferred to use the second rinse option when laundering his clothes. He felt that "American" detergent was too harsh on his clothes.
So. . .this shot through the house likje wildfire and all the scholars I'm hosting this semester started double rinsing their clothes.
Funny how (when you're not paying for the water) that errant idea takes root.
When the Polish scientist washed one towel and double rinsed it, i decided that was the final straw.
When I came up and found the Spanish toxicologist washing three garments and had the water level set to medium with a double rinse, I went for the GE HE pair and had them delivered right away.
They can double rinse all they want in three inches of water!
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