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frigilux

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They're installed. As always, apologies for wretched photo taken on iPad2. Laundry cart that goes between washer and dryer has arrived but haven't had time to assemble it. The laundry room isn't quite big enough to capture the pair in a photo--my back is against the wall trying to take this one.

And yes, I'm tempted to push the dryer to the left so they look better...but am not ready to give up the ability to shut off faucets. I foresee rerouting the water pipes/moving faucets to allow the pair to be united. Laundry cart can then be placed to the right of the dryer.

The pedestal drawers hold a lot of items! Losing the metal shelving that used to be next to the Frigidaires is not a problem. Will find a home for everything between the two pedestal drawers and the laundry cart.

Load 1: Six large, heavy bath towels and a heavy cotton tablecloth. This filled machine to about half of its capacity. Used Normal cycle with extra rinse. The towels cover the couch and desk and have cat hair on them. No hair in washer tub at end of cycle. Lots of hair in dryer filter.

Load 2: Heavily-stained load of kitchen and personal whites + three tux shirts. About two-thirds of tub's capacity. This load is in the washer right now. Used Sanitize cycle+ extra rinse due to use of liquid chlorine bleach.

UPDATE: All stains completely removed save one tomato/greased-based stain on heavy cotton chef's apron. Will try increasing dose to 2X for these loads. Even better: Absoloutely no trace of liquid chlorine bleach smell on items at end of cycle. The Maytag is a better rinser than was the Frigidaire.

Dispensing System: Am using Tide Ultra Stain Release (liquid) which has a 2X concentration. Set controls for soft water and 4X concentration for load of cat towels; dosing seemed too parsimonious. Switched to 3X for load of whites. Depending on results, may use 2X for heavily-stained loads and 3X for others.

PowerWash Sprayer: This is used for every fill (wash & rinses). Majority of the spray is focused on front half of tub, but can see some water hitting back of tub. Not a recirculation system, but load is saturated with concentrated detergent/water very quickly.

Normal Cycle: Three soil options---Light (41 minutes); Medium (43 minutes); Extra Heavy (75 minutes). I chose the Extra Hot water setting which added three minutes to displayed time. Spins gradually ramp up to speed, similar to the Speed Queen video someone posted elsewhere. Direct drive. Max Extract final spin is long (10-12 minutes, maybe) and very fast. I think top speed is 1400 rpm. Frigidaire was 1300 and this one appeared to be faster. Towels emerged even drier than from Frigidaire.

Sanitize Cycle: Light (1 hour + 21 minutes) to Extra Heavy (1 hour + 51 minutes). These times included the extra rinse. Time displayed was 1 hour + 39 minutes at Extra Heavy soil without extra rinse. Displayed time starts and stops; timer sat at 1:42 for quite awhile, then abruptly jumped to 1:08, for instance. Drain and first spin began with 50 minutes remaining; Frigidaire didn't drain/spin 'til 37 minutes remaining, so Maytag's wash tumble is shorter. Liquid chlorine bleach dispensed in first rinse.

Power Wash Cycle: Want to try this with stained whites load. User Guide claims different washing action and a 'deep rinse'. Light Soil: 1 hour + 50 minutes; Medium: 2 hours; Extra Heavy: 2 hours + 30 minutes. Will use this cycle when I have time to pay closer attention to it.

Steam For Stains: Can be used on most cycles (including Delicate) and adds around 25 minutes to cycle.

Tub light: Stays on for entire cycle when activated (by pressing/holding Extra Rinse).

Machine is quieter than Frigidaire and seems more refined in balancing protocol, etc.

Dryer: Used Steam Refresh (22 minutes) on two pairs of black Dockers pants. Did a better job of removing wrinkles than Frigidaire, but wasn't watching so can't report on whether steam could be seen in tub.

Lint filter: Smaller, with larger holes than Frigidaire's. Not sure I like that. Will see if I have to clean the open-holed screen on the vent outside house more often. Dryer is super-quiet compared to Frigidaire.

So far, it's a big thumbs-up for the Maytags! Love the solid touch screen controls---no more spongy membrane buttons.

Photo 1: The pair installed in laundry room.
Photo 2: Console of washer (from User Guide)
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Spacious 15" pedestals hold many items; glide smoothly and effortlessly under heavy load.

It's SO nice not to have to strain to reach items in washer tub. Pedestals are the way to go, kids! They're ridiculously expensive, but worth every penny.

Photo 1: Washer drawer
Photo 2: Dryer drawer

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Been eyeing these

as my decision for new FL when my Duet's die. Glad to hear you like them. They look GREAT!!! Please PLEASE let me know what that deep rinse is like in the powerwash cycle. Additionally, I would like to know about Bulky bedding and allergen. The normal cycle is the government cycle. I probably would never use that cycle.
 
Sanitize cycle

The experience I have had with Mine is: The 1:51 estimated time for a sanitize cycle on heavy soil, depending upon your incoming water temp will in actuality be adjusted to around 2:40 for water heating delay.

Interesting that steam is available on delicate. On my machine the steam option is only available on Normal, Heavy, and Whitest Whites.

I am with you in supporting having access to the water shut off. Better to be proactive, and not have to suck up water at 3:00 A.M., or worse after you come home from a long weekend.

BTW--I turn off the main to the entire house when I go away. Don't want any pesky hose to the toilet, dishwasher or ice maker making me a swimming pool while I'm gone.
 
So you turn off your dishwasher water hose too?

My hoses are now turned off on the washer, but I never thought about the dishwasher....UGH - what a pain - but you're right....the mess it can cause can mess up your life for a while.....

And can I rant about something if I may?

Notice my Duet pics in the last post....they are on perfectly good pedastals, right? But if I get a new whirlpool or Maytag(pool) front load washer, will those pedestals work? NOOOOOOOO! Am I surprised? NOOOO! But it's so stupid!
 
Mark-- I am also very curious about the PowerWash and Allergen cycles. Will definitely run those this weekend and report back. I was actually very impressed with the Normal cycle. It's versatile, with cycle time between 40-75 minutes. It didn't seem to use less water than Sanitize, and it took care of cat hair well. Too bad about the pedestals not fitting new machines. They are so expensive!

Harley--The Sanitize cycle came in right around 1:51---possibly even a few minutes short of that---probably because my hot water is 140-143 degrees.

I turn the water main off for the house if I leave overnight. I don't turn it off while I'm at work...yet. I have an old turn-it-thirty-times faucet for the mains. Will eventually have a handle-style main put in. Then I'd probably shut it down even while I'm at work for the day.

I take care of cats and house for friends whenever they're away. I arrived at 7:00 a.m. one morning to be greeted by what I thought was their old KitchenAid running. Flipped on the lights and half the main floor was flooded and water was pouring into the lower level though the floor vents. A recently installed faucet under the kitchen sink blew out. It was a disastrous mess and I nearly freaked out.

I now require them to shut off their water main whenever I take care of the place. It really bothered me that happened on my watch. Luckily I've been home the two times hoses have popped at my house (one to the downstairs toilet and one washer hose). As you said, a huge amount of mess is created in only a couple of minutes, not to mention if the water runs at full force for hours as it did at the house I was taking care of. I still shudder even thinking about it.
 
Joe-- Thanks! I plan to put them through their paces over the weekend.

John-- The 5100's have an internal water heater and quite a few of the same cycles as the 8100. I'll be honest, part of what pushed me from the 7100's (which were in stock at local dealer) to the 8100's was having the internal tub light. The good news is the plastic lens on the door isn't heavily smoked, so you can see into the machine if the laundry room is well lit. The other feature I wanted was the PowerWash spray during fills. I think I'm going to like the multi-load automatic detergent dispenser, as well. The Maytags have made a good first impression, to be sure.
 
Really nice!!

I like the pedestals. Mine is just a little too short: for example, I have to take the cap of the Unstoppables off, otherwise it won't close.

 

Interesting, how Extra Soil increses the time on Normal so much. Undoubtly, because CR uses Normal + Heavy Soil as part of their testing. How does Hot and Extra Hot differ, since Normal probably doesn't use the heater? Is Ex Hot pure hot water no matter what vs. tempered hot on the Hot setting?

 

Can steam be selected with any warm-water setting, or does it default to a hot wash like on the LGs?

 

Power Wash & Allergen - well, I wouldn't hold my breath. This is, after all, an American machine with American programming on it <span style="font-size: 8pt;">(water miser)</span>

 

The steam cycle on the dryer is a water mist. Only LG uses "Turbo" Steam.

 

Here are some cycle times of the Whirlpool.

 

 
Mark

I have the second generation Duet but the first generation pedestal. The pedestal is a little too short (only two screws are holding the washer to it). However, it has never moved a bit - knock on wood - in over a year and despite the stiffer suspension on the European Duets.

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wow logixx

I'm surprised that works..I don't know what generation Duet I have. I think it's the second generation from 2005. I know the first generations were a blue color I believe...

Back when I bought them in 2005, I made sure the delivery person left shipping bolts IN before he moved them to my garage from the delivery truck....next day they were installed but I didn't install them....but I checked after they were installed to make sure everything was good....so I have no clue what the level of difficulty would be getting a washer ON a pedestal....that's why I had them do it.

I know American machines can be water misers but I was always under the impression the worst cycle was normal since that's what the energystar goes by.....Glad to hear your normal isn't that horrible. I read the manual and it said allergen has a THOROUGH rinse and if that's a deep rinse (by deep I mean at least water coming up over the boot a little), I will be so happy.

I wonder what made them decide to design the square door instead of round? I like it though...

I don't keep my detergents and stuff in my pedestals drawers.....but there is a lot of crap in them like light bulbs, tools, things like that. They do allow for extra storage space....I just hate to have to buy two new expensive pedestals when I have 2 perfectly good ones that I will have no clue what to do with....who would buy them? Most Duets the age of mine are probably dead and gone by now, at least I'm guessing.
 
Pedestals...

... an expensive mistake I have made time and time again. Only moderately useful at best. Not useful enough to justify the cost, for sure.

Seems silly that people complain about having to bend down to load and unload a washer, then have to bend down to pick up a jug of detergent...

I'll skip them on my next purchase.

Malcolm
 
Malcolm

I agree with you but that little rise they give is so convenient and you get so used to it...plus it looks better......

the reason I came back so quickly after my last post is because I called Whirlpool (the employee discount line) and I asked the rep so that I could be sure and she said the model # from my current Duet -that the pedestals I have will work. She said we still sell those, so if I get any maytag or wp fl washer, these will work! It's funny because a while back I thought I had asked them and they said no....but I couldn't remember if I dreamed that or what, so I called back to make sure..
 
Mark

I installed the pedestal myself. I laid the washer on its back, attached the pedestal and put the washer back on its feet. Was very easy and I didn't even put the bolts in while - carefully - moving the washer.
 
Alex-- You may be right concerning the Normal Cycle/Extra Heavy wash time. The washer rates an Excellent for cleaning in CR's tests, ranking behind only the behemoths from Samsung and LG. I like it because it provides a nice "middle ground" between a 40-minute cycle and the very aggressive, much longer PowerWash cycle.

I'm pretty sure the internal heater is used when Extra Hot is selected. The cycle time is increased by a few minutes. It seems to be available for almost every cycle, which is nice, and something the Samsung 6300 didn't offer.

Steam For Stains (which combines tumbling, soaking, and 'steam') is available on almost every cycle if you choose warm, hot, or extra hot water. It cannot be selected if you choose cool or cold water.

Malcolm-- I have no problem bending down to pick up a jug of detergent from the drawer, but my knees do not like the position they have to be in to reach deep into the machine to retrieve a wash cloth or sock plastered to the back rim of the drum. It wouldn't have dawned on me to get pedestals back when my machines had 2.6 and then 3.0 cu. ft. drums. Reaching down and then to the back of a 4.5 cu. ft. (or larger) drum can be more problematic. If you find pedestals to be of little use to you, then, absolutely, it makes no sense to get them. I agree they are overpriced for what they are. It's like clothing: They'll sell you the dress shirt for $30 but they want $50 for the tie.

washerdude: I recall reading literature on the 8100 that said the PowerWash cycle used 'extra wash action'. I'll find out what that means when I try the cycle. It would be great if it did use a different tub movement and not just a faster regular tumble. I'll find out this weekend and report back.

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Pierre, you can say that as many times as you want. I have had both and find front-loaders do the best job. If that's not the case for you, I respect that, but you did admit you use a non-enzyme detergent in cold water, so that may have something to do with your disappointment in the performance of your front-loader.
 
I'd wish you many happy years, but recalling what you said about frequency of turnover, will instead wish you a happy 5 to 8 years until something new comes along. LOL

Maybe next time, you can get a washer with robot arms to load and unload the laundry, and pluck a pod from a box on the shelf.
 
Eugene, those are gorgeous machines. I like the idea of pedestals too. I kinda wish I had got them for my LG's now since the door openings do sit kinda low to the floor. I think when we move to FL I will get the pedestals for them...I aint getting any younger!. I looked at the Maytags before I bought my LG's and I did like the feel of them. I look forward to hearing what you think about them as you use them more.
I normally don't say much about someone coming into a thread and yaps about how bad a front loader is. Yet this same person that washes everything in cold and uses the cheapest detergents and on top of that uses a front load washer has the balls to proclaim that top loaders are better. Really?! Maybe if that person wasn't so cheap and used the machine as it was meant to be used and with a good detergent, maybe the attitude might change some. I was going to say point blank...Go F-ck Yourself, but I am a gentleman.....
 
>I hope it never comes to the point where I need a robot to unload the washer! By that time I'll be in a nursing home....complaining about how they do the laundry, LOL.

I hope it never comes to that point, either! My robot arms comment is more a bit of whimsy along the lines of "what new features will washer companies come up with next?"
 
Xmas Morning

Isn't it that Xmas morning feeling having a new washer in the house?
I wouldn't get a lot of sleep this weekend having a shiner new toy to play with...

Looking forward to hearing how you like these Maytags...

Malcolm

(I wonder how long it will be before a heat pump dryer hits the Maytag line)
 
Love the MAYTAGS!!!

They really are beautiful machines and I love the fact that the washer has a "wrinkle control" aka Permanent Press Cycle! Beautiful Color and I'm glad you went with them instead of SS or LG!! These are really striking and great performers too I'll bet!! I love my SQ TL and if I had to get a FL washer I would definitely choose these! Good luck and congrats!
Mike
 
Pierre-- I am not against washing in cold water. In fact, I washed in nothing but temperature-controlled cold water (about 60 degrees) for almost one year. This was when I had a 2002 Frigidaire front-loader. Heavily stained loads of whites needed help from chlorine bleach, but I had great results because I was using an excellent detergent designed for use in cold water (Tide Coldwater) and because the cold water wasn't super cold, as it becomes in Minnesota in the winter. Even a high quality detergent is going to struggle to clean well in water that is only 40 degrees F. The Maytag has a special Cold Water Washing cycle. I plan to try it soon and will let you know how it works.

Modern front-loaders use so little water that I now choose to wash most loads in warm or hot water. But I still wash in cold for loads of dark colors or lightly soiled loads.

Mike (mtn1584)-- I just used the Wrinkle Control cycle on a load of dress shirts and it has an awesome cooldown the last couple of minutes of the wash tumble. Cold water is sprayed in until the water level comes up to the bottom of the glass (the point at which it would begin to spill out of the machine if the door was open). Then it drains and spins slowly before the rinses begin. It reminded me of a classic early 1960's Kenmore cooldown.

Malcolm-- Christmas morning is right! I've operated on very little sleep the past couple of days, yet I'm staying up late to do a couple of loads. Hardcore, LOL.

Mike (nmassman44)-- Thanks! I've only washed four loads, but each time I reach in to transfer the load to the dryer, I know the pedestals were a good idea for me. I think you'd like them. Great cat in your profile pic!

Lord Kenmore-- Whoops. Reread your post and realized I'd missed your washer with robot arms reference. I plead sleep deprivation! 😴
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If you are handy with wood there is a much cheaper alternative to the store bought pedestals. 

 

If you are dead set on getting the manufactured pedestals check Craigslist.  There are so many "used" appliance dealers that sell overstocked pedestals for many brands.  I have seen them as cheap as $25 each in the Atlanta area.

 

 

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Pierre

IIRC you have the same machine or at least mine is MOL and I think yours is TOL with more cycles. I'm amazed you don't like it and are going back to TL. It's been an awesome machine for me aside from the 2nd year the board needed replaced. I didn't realize you used cold water and you're regularly on this forum. I never have. I use warm/hot/or extra hot. I may have used cold for something super delicate but I can't remember the last time I used cold it's so rare that I use it.

This does better than my Shredmore Whirlpool TL washer I had (not saying those are bad) they were great too.....but this machine is better cleaning in my opinion. Another cool thing over the years is how long detergents and additives last you compared to a TL. I love the internal heaters and hope they never go away, even though Malcolm says they will eventually.

I remember reading the laundry forums back when I bought it and people saying I will be lucky if it lasts 5 years.

I still LOVE the Speed Queen Top loads too. I'm not bashing top load washers.

Frigilux (I can't remember your name) - can't wait to hear the details on the different cycles :)
 
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