Did Sears really market these under the Kenmore name? If so, who manufactured them for Sears? Enquiring minds want to know!
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Interesting "Flair" type stove
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michaelman2
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Hey Retromom..good question, that sure looks the same as the Flair. Humm and that is not too far for me to drive!
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very interesting
Not crazy about the french doors though... who would have made this?
Not crazy about the french doors though... who would have made this?
deeptub
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I believe Roper made that stove. Some friends of mine had an avocado gas model that also had a regular oven below the pull-out cooktop. Roper called their Flair-type ranges "Charm".
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frontaloadotmy
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Sears Classic
I have a version of the stove listed on Ebay. The controls
are above the drawer with the add on exhaust fan on the top.
This range was in the house when I bought it. It is hideous!
Michaelman2 don't subject yourself to this monstrosity. The
"french doors" sag, it is not like a Flair except in looks.
While it has some of the "stoutness" typical of the era it is not nearly as well made as a flair of the same era. It has
crummy aluminum drip pans that are flimsy and nearly impossible to clean. The drawer and the cover operate
independantly. I suppose it would be better than no stove at all, or useful as a 2nd unit, but IMhO it gets an F double minus as a "daily driver"
I have a version of the stove listed on Ebay. The controls
are above the drawer with the add on exhaust fan on the top.
This range was in the house when I bought it. It is hideous!
Michaelman2 don't subject yourself to this monstrosity. The
"french doors" sag, it is not like a Flair except in looks.
While it has some of the "stoutness" typical of the era it is not nearly as well made as a flair of the same era. It has
crummy aluminum drip pans that are flimsy and nearly impossible to clean. The drawer and the cover operate
independantly. I suppose it would be better than no stove at all, or useful as a 2nd unit, but IMhO it gets an F double minus as a "daily driver"
michaelman2
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Hey Front...apprec the info...had no idea
My sister had this same thing in her kitchen, built into the cabinet but it was a Tappan Fabulous 400. It came in 30" and 40", electric and gas. I wonder if Tappan made them for Roper, I know Tappan did for Sears.
Come on now, somebody has to save it even if it is a POS. Not all the vintage washers are excellent performers either and some are downright ugly LOL
Sears used to have a Jenn Air knock off as well that I think was a Modern Maid, I only remember seeing it in black, it disappeared somewhere in the early 80's
Sears used to have a Jenn Air knock off as well that I think was a Modern Maid, I only remember seeing it in black, it disappeared somewhere in the early 80's
laundromat
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Kenmore french door range
This was NOT made by Tappan.Tappan never made any of the Kenmores.At the period of this range's production,Whirlpool, Roper and ModernMaid were the only companies making the Kenmore line.It's definately NOT a Frigidaire Flair! ModernMaid being the company making their built in products.Woolverine made a toy range just like this one with the Kenmore name on it.It was in Sears "Wishbook" catalog from around 1965 to 1972.
This was NOT made by Tappan.Tappan never made any of the Kenmores.At the period of this range's production,Whirlpool, Roper and ModernMaid were the only companies making the Kenmore line.It's definately NOT a Frigidaire Flair! ModernMaid being the company making their built in products.Woolverine made a toy range just like this one with the Kenmore name on it.It was in Sears "Wishbook" catalog from around 1965 to 1972.
I remember looking at a house with that Tappan range---it had every trinket and feature known to mankind.
I think Roper made the Sears Jenn-air knockoff (with the vent grills to the sides of the burners rather than in the middle). Believe that when GE bought the Roper gas stove business (I think that happened around 1988) they got that stove as well (electric or gas).
I worked for GE from 1989-1992---we got some interesting appliance discounts at the time. They recruited employees to do testing on the new (plastic) washer design. I don't recall the specifics but it was something like "pay $200 and get a new washer as long as you'll let us inspect it"
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I worked for GE from 1989-1992---we got some interesting appliance discounts at the time. They recruited employees to do testing on the new (plastic) washer design. I don't recall the specifics but it was something like "pay $200 and get a new washer as long as you'll let us inspect it"
JL
The Roper Charm was Charmless. The gasket between the doors did not hold up, even on the electric one and guess what? Parts were NLA 25 years ago. John had to fabricate one for a little old lady's Kenmore version. Do not feel obligated to save it. It has POS status. There are enough good things that need to be saved. Recycling is the kindest thing for it. Maybe it will be something better in its next life.
deeptub
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My friends' gas Roper Charm actually was in a house they rented. The landlords were rather unsympathetic, and as long as one of the two ovens worked, they weren't about to replace the range. They finally had to move to get away from that range (to a house with a 1980s Caloric range--some upgrade...). The last few years they lived with the Charm, they only used the upper oven, as my friend's dad had rewelded the lower oven's NLA burner as many times as he could. As Tom said, the parts went NLA an amazingly long time ago--this would have been in the early 1980s when they first looked for a new burner. I imagine that back in the day, the Roper Charm was the budget alternative to a Flair (and came in gas, too). But as the test of time often proves, one gets what one pays for.
T.
P.S. You can imagine how out-of-luck you were if you had to take something out of the lower oven on the 2-oven models when the cooktop was rolled out. Such a thoughtful design.
T.
P.S. You can imagine how out-of-luck you were if you had to take something out of the lower oven on the 2-oven models when the cooktop was rolled out. Such a thoughtful design.
deeptub
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And yes, jamiel, Roper made Sears' downdraft grill cooktop and range. Roper called it "Nouvelle" and there was a NIB cooktop on ebay not long ago. I remember how the Sears catalogs made a big deal about how (in their opininon) the cooktop being lower than the vents and having two vents instead of one made it superior to Jenn-Air.
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veg-o-matic
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Tom, wasn't it called the Nouvelle Vertubenfluben?
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deeptub
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SASS!
But yes, in St. Olaf it was called that...
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But yes, in St. Olaf it was called that...
T.
My wife's aunt and uncle remodeled their kitchen a few years ago,and gave me a similar Sears range,only in Coppertone.He helped me take it to my shop,and after he left,it went right out the back door!I wanted nothing to do with that ol'heavy thing.
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