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From what I've found online so far, it appears your new machine uses 2300 watts. 

Technische Daten

ABMESSUNGEN <span class="ls9d">Höhe 850 mm
</span>

Breite 400 mm

Tiefe 600 mm

 

SPANNUNG / FREQUENZ

GESAMTLEISTUNGSAUFNAHME 230 V / 50 Hz 2300 W

WASSERDRUCK

Anschluss an die

Wasserversorgung

Minimum

Maximum

0,05 MPa (0,5 bar)

0,8 MPa (8 bars)

Typ 20x27

Dieses Gerät entspricht der Richtlinie<span class="ls2 ws15f"> 89/336/EWG zur elektromagnetischen</span>

Verträglichkeit sowie der Nieder<span class="ls76 ws161">spannungsrichtlinie 73/23/EWG</span>

 

What about something like this??  It says it is step up/step down 120V/240V 50/60hz.  But if the 1.5 multiplier is used, may need to go on to a 5000 watt which is here

https://www.ebay.com/itm/5000-Watt-...925771?hash=item1a4fea9e8b:g:X1oAAOSwuHFbBSBJ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Voltage-Co...587132&hash=item1cad82e090:g:5QIAAOSwirFbE-eT
I don't know how reliable these would be but there they are.

 

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Greg, that seems to only change the voltage -- Launderess seems to have access to 240V, what she needs is to go from 60Hz to 50Hz.

There are frequency transformers that are electronic and probably expensive, because they depend on solid state electronics that are rather spendy. In the past, what people would often do is to use an electric motor, a small transmission (often a belt and pulleys) and an alternator that would output 50 Hz. Still not cheap if bought new, but it might be possible to find something that someone has lying around unused and wants to get rid of for a small amount or even for free just to get the space/room back. It will definitely make more noise and generate some additional heat compared to the electronic versions, but on the positive side (no pun intended), at least it will have a good sinusoidal wave that will make the washer work well, many electronic converters will generate a wave that is more squarish and that can work poorly with washers that expect to be connected to the mains.

Another suggestion that might or might not work -- try to search for a Uninterruptible Power Supply that accepts 240V/60Hz and outputs 240V/50Hz, people might have some they are trying to get rid of, now that most computers have a universal power supply, and that might be cheaper than equipment people think they can charge a lot because folks "need it" and thus need to get separated from their money.

Good luck!
 
Scrap what I said

Yes, all the power flows through the PCB and there is no external heating relay. If that was the case then transformer for the motor, solenoids and pump but USA mains voltage for the heating would be the cheapest way to go.

Sigh.
So close but so far!

I do hope you find a Miele toplader. Conversion of that to USA power would be simpler.
 
Thanks all to pieces for suggestions/tips guys.

Please keep them coming.

@askolover - Watts and voltage we have, it is the pesky 50hz frequency requirement that is holding up the convoy.

@earthling177 - UPS idea is an interesting one, but don't believe even the most robust of such devices can handle motors. The start capacity is usually culprit IIRC.

@henene - Am in total agreement, however in their infinite wisdom Electrolux believes differently. Shan't ever know nor get to find out how machine behaves on 60hz as the blasted PCB simply won't play ball.

Browsing through Electrolux/AEG service manuals last night was wondering if a simple PCB swap would work. That is find a control board from before this modern incarnation with strict frequency requirements. Again we know members have purchased AEG units before that found their way to North American, and they ran perfectly fine on 60hz.

Of course what one would have to do in such a situation is basically decapitate current control fascia/board/PCB and swap it with something else. In short again creating a "FrakenLavamat". This could be hampered if connections for a start don't match.

@richnz - Pity isn't it? But again am in no particular rush, so have time to find a solution. However it is increasingly looking as if one will have to nab a frequency converter large enough to provide the 2.3kW wanted.

Unless one can find a way round the heaters coming on (which would instantly fry an under powered FC), that does seem to be the only way to go.

Who knows, may grow weary of this particular whim and fancy; then could mark-up the machine and sell it on! *LOL*

For someone with access to a generator it will work fine. But zoning and other regulations frown upon such things being used in close confined quarters. *LOL*
 
Hello Louis

Board is fine, that is why it is giving said code.

When code is given one is at first instructed to contact local power company to inquire about any issues that might be causing frequency changes. If there are, one must wait until they clear/have been fixed. OTOH if power from outlet is fine, then yes the board should be changed.

Previous owner was rather indignant (putting it mildly) when inquired about the code and reminded that machine was being offered as functioning properly.

Wasn't called outright a daft cow, but gist of things were what part of the advert didn't one understand (about generator being throttled down to 3000 from 3600), and unit worked fine. Was also reminded that out of gate one was asked "how are you going to power this?). That was me sorted!

Searched archives and another member from Canada had same exact problem. He turfed the Electrolux machine to local tip. http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?37593

In my research came upon several others who brought back AEG washing machines from Europe, only to have same issues. They reached out to AEG North America (in Canada) was told what has been stated above. Motor, drain pump, electronics, door lock, etc... all would need to be replaced. Furthermore out of liability issues AEG North America would not furnish parts nor provide service. In other words, "tough cheddar".
 
What would happen

if you just unplugged the heating element at the board?

Its not like it the machine complains when the element is burnt out?
 
Replies #39 & #40

I thought the same (disconnect the heater), but then I imagined that the PCB would probably have a feature to detect a non-increasing temperature range; either that or current drain/lack of. Electronic gubbins these days, are so constraining.

I had to laugh at the "buggery bollocks" comment!
 
@Louis: "It will be much easier to get parts for this machine than for the machine you had an eye on before."

That's us both fooled; spent time pouring over AEG spares website and a fair number of parts for this series of machine are NLA. Motor, PCB, intake solenoid, and a few other bits are no longer available from Electrolux. Some can still be found elsewhere however.

@rolls_rapide:

Yes, these modern electronically controlled machines are wonderful in some aspects, but a pain in others.

Did a full load of thick bath towels and wash cloths last night in the AEG OKO-Lavamat. Rated load was 100%, and machine coped rather well. While the older Miele would have banged, clanged, and hardly spun between washes because of rush of water at extraction; the Lavamat can control drum movements, speed, and so forth to get the job done.

Have found out this machine is part of a series that has many different models, some even run on 50hz or 60hz depending upon how programmed.

Am *guessing* such machines are the AEG Lavamat (front loaders only)washers sold in North America and the few other places that use 60hz power.

Equally am assuming that the model series applies to both top and front loading H-axis washers. That is the PCB/control board doesn't know or care which type of machine, though maybe there might be some small differences to account for difference in drums.

What one is getting at is have been pouring over Electrolux service manuals to see if my "FrankenLavamat" idea would work. That is simply swapping out the PCB that is restricted to 50hz, to one that will work on either that frequency or 60hz.

Of course various issues at once arise. The motor on this machine (one assumes) is three phase inverter controlled, speed comes from the frequency. Other Lavamats use AC motors of various sorts. Don't know if simply swapping out a PCB would bother the motor, or are there specific connections and or programming necessary.

The other niggle is that PCB/control board seem to arrive in need of programming after installation. Naturally an AEG repairman could do this; but one would not have access to proper codes.

Still it is an idea am toying around with as PCB boards are far less dear than going with converters an whatever else.

Sadly neither Electrolux/AEG UK or France will give one the time of day. Obviously cannot book on a service call out. And if told machine is out of the country; am directed to contact proper AEG office where one resides.

Am thinking may have to offer that nice young man who makes all those YouTube videos a holiday in New York in exchange....... *LOL*

Still one does have a rather low use AEG Lavamat toploader for very little out of pocket; that is something anyway. Will just have to bide one's time until a solution can be found (cheaply).
 
@launderess

I think AEG should be the last one to turn to for parts. There are way more other parts dealers and websites that keep those parts for a much longer time. The model you have now, my not be listed on some websites, but similar models might. The best is to search for the part numbers on the parts. It's also possible that parts or not to be found on websites, but those parts may still be available at second hand white goods businesses that don't bother with the internet (and I bet there are lots of them.)

Have you contacted Euroline in Canada? Perhaps they know how to work around the 60 Hz thing. They have sold such washing machines, and IIRC they even sold a toploader for a short while. It's possible that the AEG appliances they sell just get a small adaption so they can be used on your side of the pond.
 
Inverter motor

Wow, didn't think it had the inverter motor.

Your new PCB for the FrankenMat needs to come from a washer with inverter motor from the same row of machines...

Let me go do some google magic! Could you post a picture of the identification plate? Or post the PNC number?
 
Only go to AEG UK/France/Germany to find diagrams, part lists and numbers; don't bother with ordering. Their prices are rather dear for a start, and won't ship out of the country.

When looking for solenoid for the front loading Lavamat, simply looked up part number for reference, then searched Internet. Homespares had it, and was vastly cheaper than Electrolux/AEG UK, so that was that.

Reached out to Euroline about the "other" toplader from Detroit. Was told since it was a (very) old and "obsolete" washer they would have to contact Germany. Several days later received word that Germany responded that due to age of machine it was no longer in their database/files. Euroline further stated they could do nothing else because machine was not sold in North America.

Have not reached out to EL on this issue, but as noted upthread someone else did; and was basically told to sling her hook. Person had a washer and dryer she brought back to North America.... needed 50hz.... EL reached out to Europe again and responded that machine would need to have basically a major swap out of parts, none of which they would be supplying out of liability issues.

Thus am not going to bother contacting them again as already know the answer.

AEG like Miele tends to keep their markets separate. While Miele at least will attempt to order parts for a unit never sold in USA, they will not offer any warranty. Euroline will ship parts to USA from up north, but Miele Canada will not. Far as Electrolux in various European countries are concerned one might as well be on Mars, because if out of their local area you can forget it.

Didn't know EL once sold toplader AEG Lavamats. Knew they went way back with front loaders. Will have to keep my eyes out to see if one pops up.

The two members from Canada with AEG experience (Eddy and BellaLaundry) are long MIA, so cannot pick their brains either.
 
Beware

Yours is NOT inverter based, for your PNC a EWM21 PCB comes up in the German AEG parts store:

https://shop.aeg.de/Wäschepflege/Wa...FIGURIERTE-ELEKTRONIK,EWM21/p/973913212261066

Here's the German parts list for your model:

https://shop.aeg.de/search?q=:relevance:pnc:91321226106&page=1&pagesize=20

There is also no recirculation on your model.

The only mention I could find was the motor being labeled 50hz (except for the pumps, but we went over that already).

But since it should be a brushed motor, frequency is a non issue there.
 
But........


That converter shows "Compatible with 50Hz/60Hz".  I would assume this means the input power FOR the converter, not an adjustable output FROM the converter.  The only control I see is an on/off switch.
 
 

 

Aaah, nice.  Well Miss Launderess, I hope this is a viable option for you.  Except for the required 30 amp breaker, looks & sounds like a win-win.

 

BTW, CONGRATS on acquiring this neat machine, assuming all the proper pieces call into place and you can get it to work!  
 
@Henene:

Danke for all your efforts on our behalf, and also for clearing up my research errors regarding the machine. At least now am sorted as to what one has got.

Never the less while voltage we have, the machine still won't accept 60hz power. Code is generated with alarm that won't go away. Well it does after a period but shuts machine down with it. Don't want to force the issue for fear of damaging PCB board.

While the machine in theory may accept either 50hz or 60hz power; it does seem the thing is programmed to only accept former.

Which brings one back to what stated earlier; perhaps if one knew how to program the PCB could make the necessary change. That information seems not to be in general public domain.
 
Really!

Didn't see his post! Will have to drop him a line to say "hello".

@Kevin,

Thank you for the kind words. Things just don't come easily with ourselves and AEG appliances do they? Can get them home well enough it seems (with help of dear friends, thank you very much my Secret Squirrel), but there are always issues.

Still haven't forgiven Home Direct delivery service for banging up what were virtually NIB units, still haven't forgotten about that. *LOL*
 
So now the question becomes

What or who can provide programming to override or switch the electronics to allow 60hz.

Have been up and down various EU appliance websites and no one has given the suggestion of changing Lavamat frequency requirements. Nor will anyone divulge how to program or reprogram a PCB. For obvious reasons Electrolux/AEG does not put that information out to general public it seems.

Recall for awhile ways to "adjust" Miele washing machines sold in North America was put out into general circulation (internet), which apparently caused issues. Techs both doing home visits and on telephone having to deal with undoing what a customer did (and often wouldn't fess up to). By later versions of 3XXX models that all was taken away for most part.
 
@Kevin

Yes, those step up or down converters merely reduce or increase voltage, but frequency remains same. Because they accept both 50hz and 60hz they can be used worldwide. People use them in Europe or other parts of world to run North American appliances, and vice versa.

Not being able to change frequency makes them neither use nor ornament in my situation.

However if one is willing to go for a mortgage, there are frequency converters which also will reduce or amplify voltage. Voltage change is secondary to frequency so it doesn't require much more effort to include.

That being said such units are *very* dear; especially when one goes above 1kW of power. https://www.amazon.com/GoHz-Frequency-Converter-Step-down-Step-up/dp/B01GH5SWH4

That being said there is a market for such devices. Businesses that have equipment which is 50hz and also requires voltage increased or decreased.

 
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My google-fu is not strong today.

In any case, I've found a company that seems to make power equipment and have clients like medical/military installations that usually need power conversion.

I submitted a request for info (price etc) on behalf of a "friend who just moved from Germany" and needs either a frequency converter or an UPS to go from 240V/30A/60Hz (dryer outlet) to 230V/16A/50Hz.

The website promises to respond in a business day, I'll post anything I get. But just looking at several places that did not offer exactly what we need (Tripplite, for example) but have similar things, a 2.5kW to 3kW piece of hardware is about a grand, which is not cheap, but would be one solution.

More as soon as I get info from them. Worst that happens is they don't answer or it's too expensive, but at least we'll know.

http://https//www.falconups.com/power-frequency-conversion.htm
 
Thank you,

Will be interesting to hear a quote, will add it to number have already.

Long story short a FC of size required (to accommodate heater and motor surge power) will likely run cost of a new TOL Miele W1 washer! *LOL*

Have been looking for a used bit of equipment, but thus far no such luck. Everything is rated much lower output, which means moment heaters came on would fry the FC.

To "reprogram" the control board requires a DAAS-EAP communications protocol up to 115.200 baud. That and knowledge of what exactly one is doing.
 

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