Introducing The Canadian GSD2800, the GSB2800

[potatochips]

Yes, thats right, GSB2800. Not GSD2800, but GSB. Maybe the B stands for better? Ill let you be the judge. 

 

I, and I hope other Canadians, like to be ambassadors to our country and what we have to offer appliance wise. Almost everything, except Maytag, is different up here. Symbols, short basket drives, and metal wash tubs on GEs. This is Canada, and this is what we had. 

 

This machine showed up about two weeks ago on Kijiji for $25, and after a long wait as the owner was redoing their kitchen, its finally in my hands today. Albeit with a smell of animal pee, but its mine. Ive been scrubbing the steel after I threw out the insulation. 

 

I had to reference lots of different pictures of the GSD2800 so I could really understand what the options were on the touchpads. My GE Medallion has some of the same symbols, but some are also very different. 

 

So here it is, the GSB2800, also known as a Talisman Royale. 

 

 

 

[potatochips]

Now, here is where the difference comes in. The tub is porclean on steel, exactly the same as my Medallion. When I was inspecting the underneath I noticed JUST the high limit thermostat, and no sani wash thermostat.  Where could it be? <span style="font-size: 12pt;">When I took the panel apart, the sani wash thermostat is attached to the control panel, up in the door. Notice my finger pointing at it?</span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;">I also noticed NO wash arm sensor. </span>

 

The detergent cup set up is also much different too. 

 

 

 

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Now for the problems. 

 

I mentioned the machine smelled like animal piss. Its engrained in the top of the metal tub (on the outside), and Ive been washing it to try and get rid of it, plus the insulation is now in the garbage. The previous owners also had a leaky door gasket in the lower portion so it was siliconed back on... The machine leaks, and to make matters worse it appears and smells like someone put dish soap in the machine. The racks? Theyre in the garbage, they were extremely rotten. 

 

The other problem is the machine, during a test wash, the machine threw both the C4 code which is "too much water" 5 minutes after it filled for the main wash, and then C8 which is the cup not opening. Both cause a complete stop in the cycle, and there is no way to open the detergent cup once its shut LOL. 

 

Finally, the display seems wonky. It shows what needs to be displayed, but some of the other messages are 50% lit up. 

 

I DO have the capacitor start motor to replace the shaded pole motor, which I have read, during my deep scour of GSD2800 threads, can help to prolong the life of this machine. My plan is to hook that motor up, and either transfer the racks from the Medallion when I want to use this, OR, scrap the tub and keep the door and wiring, and swap out the door on the Medallion when I want to run this. 

 

Thoughts? B for Better? Or Better not waste my time and just throw this out. 

 

[turquoisedude]

It's a nice dishwasher but I would also wonder how 'repairable' it would be.  If you need racks I can keep an eye out for you.

 

[potatochips]

Thanks Paul! I wonder too, I think I may not invest much more time in to it, hence why I think Ill just separate the door from the body and swap said door out to the one on the Medallion when I feel a little electronic. 

 

PS your bearing puller and installer is being shipped on Monday!

 

[114jwh]

Neat Dishwasher Kevin!

Congrats on your find.

Sounds like it would be quite the project to get up and running properly again - some things might be fixable but the display could be a big challenge. But...where there is a will there is a way!

We had a GE Talisman Royale when I was growing up - a portable model purchased in the late 70's. No touchpad but a whole bunch of buttons. Lasted forever and it was used all the time. Talisman Royale was the TOL designation in Canada back in the day, I think similar to Americana in the US.

Good luck Kevin! Let us know how it goes.

 

[potatochips]

Thank you James! Ill keep everyone posted on this. I know how much the GSD2800 is loved around these parts! And Im beginning to love it too, and I havent even ran a load with it yet. 

 

Someone has mentioned that before about Talisman being TOL, Medallion being near TOL, and I think it was Encore? That was MOL-BOL? Either way I love the font for these labels.

 

[philr]

A friend of mine had a very similar if not exactly the same one in is house from 1985. Everything but the Jenn-Air cooktop was GE Talisman Royale in that house (including the filter-flo washer/dryer set in the basement) and the side by side fridge with black panels and self-cleaning wall oven.

The dishwasher still worked fine when he sold the house in 1998. It did make a strange noise which was apparently the same since new! I really liked the vacuum fluorsecent display!

 

[potatochips]

I just met a new friend that knows a lot about electronics and stuff as he fixes old radios. I may ask him to if he knows how to work these better. I really want to get a few washes, maybe one quarter, of washing out of it before it goes. Just to say I had one. 

 

[circlew]

Since it has the porcelain on steel tub, I'm wondering if this machine is based on the Hotpoint models, rather than the US GE models.

 

[potatochips]

I would say yes. I have another GE machine from the 80s that was built in Canada and its very US Hotpoint-esque. Even the BOL machines. I havent seen many 80s machines with with the Permatuf up here. Seems to me Permatuf didnt make it up here until the early 90s. 

 

[turquoisedude]

Yes for sure!  I regretted finally having to give up on the Canadian-built 1988 GE Potscrubber II that came with a house that I bought then later rented out.  That was a darn good dishwasher.   This one was a Medallion 850 model - pretty MOL but it had the old style Power Scrub cycle.  

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

Nice to see what all those LED's are for... (Even when they're not all lit!) Hope you can somehow get some of the quality back...

-- Dave

 

[jeff_adelphi]

No washarm sensor----

The steel tub would prevent the magnetic washarm sensor from working, so they removed it.

 

[potatochips]

You think so, Jeff? We had speed sensors on our turbines at the refinery. All surrounded by steel, measuring the speed of a steel rotor. 

 

I just wonder if its because there was no where to mount the sensor on the tub. The tub supports eat up a valuable amount of the lower portion of the tub. Without retooling the whole tub I cant see mounting it anywheres. 

 

[henene4]

A huge massive steel turbine can create enough of a magnetic field to be efffective through some steel.
A tiny weak magnet at the end of the washarm probably dosen't.

 

[panthera]

Soap and water sensors

The soap dispenser has it's own motor. This often can be re-awakened (I've done two) by disassembly, oiling and reassembly. When it starts to gum up, it usually jams the soap dish shut. Which you've noticed.

The water level problem could be caused by the sensor under the float - it's not really a good choice for a logic level sensor. If they skipped the blocked arm sensor, thank your lucky stars. Whether the HAL sensor or the reed switch, it was a constant source of trouble.

The mother board of these was constantly being swapped out in the early years. We have one which is a third revision, one which is a second revision. Both were repaired. 

Your segments may be ok, it could be the film over them. Or, the display could clear up over time. Or, it might be losing gas, or the voltage could be down. Or, the display was set to low and needs to be set to high.

Get a manual, it will make your life so much easier. Boy, these sure do wash well. It's certain that the electrolytic capacitors on the board are leaking and need to be replaced. That, alone, could fix most or all of the problems. Look for a resistor out of tolerance in the soap dish circuit.

 

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Henrik, the turbine doesn't need to make a magnetic field in order to measure the rotor speed, so Im not sure what you mean. The rotor shaft has a magnetic piece milled in to it that a speed sensor, which rides very close to the shaft picks up on, its a magnetic pulse that the control system picks up on. Ive operated turbines with a sixteen inch rotor all the way down to one inch that had magnetic speed sensors that never had any issues with interference from the structure. Plus various pumps that had small 3/4 inch shafts, some even 1/2 inch shafts, all never fouled by the steel casings of the motors or anything. Our old feed pumps had a speed sensor in the motor, right next to the rotor and stator windings, and they never failed or had interference. Thats why I find it hard to believe a 1/16th inch porcelain coated steel tub would interfere too much with a speed sensor. 

 

Thank you so much Panthera. Very helpful post that I will use when I tear deeper in to the panel. If I get it working perfectly I owe it to you!