Is it me or is there a rash of things catching fire??

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There was a fire that totaly destroyed a home in the Briar Creek area of Raleigh due to a faulty heating unit. This is a very upscale area. I am shocked at the use of vinal siding number one, but also a 5 year old heating unit catches fire??Attached are pictures of the house and the neighbors house

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Also will attach an artical from abc 11 eyewitness news and the news and observer..The family was ok and no one was home

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Neighbors house, the neighbors to the right also had theres melted. These homes are nor more than 30 ft apart..

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Chad, my parents lived on a farm property for a number of years. They had a barn fire that melted the vinyl siding on their house, and the barn was a LOT further away from the house than these two houses, probably four city houses away or more. The heat those fires generate is just amazing.
 
Heres the backside.. Note the area where the heat pump unit was. Still looking to find out the cause of why it burned. I feel soo bad for the family.. I just can't figure out why so much new stuff is catching fire.. The reason half the roof is gone *I* think that because it's very common to place the HVAC units in the attac area of many new homes, thats why the roof and upstairs sustained so much damage

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You are most definitely correct. Homes today are not only outrageously priced, but put together cheaply unless you go past the $1 mil range.
I don't think that home buyers today are as educated about housing purchases as they were years ago. I mean, if it looks nice and costs a bundle then it must be good, right? These days homes are like Hollywood sets, they are all a facade.
Personally, this house we have here was built in 1994 and I am constantly amazed at how cheaply it was put together for the price. And this is a $400K home! I was replacing some wood trim around the windows this past weekend and when I took off the semi rotted trim, I found at least a 2 inch gap between the windows and the siding. I couldn't believe it. Fortunately a quick hit of expandable foam fixed that. And they didn't even use nails to hold stuff together. This house is mostly stapled together!
This will probably be the last new house we own. Older homes are a much better value for the money, IMHO.
 
If only you lived in Southern California

Oh.... the stories I could tell.......

Here in SoCali we are extra mineful of what catches fire... (do y'all remember Ceder Fire 2003?) Well, for those that don't know or don't remember, it nearly took out 25% of San Diego, yes that's correct San Diego! I was a lucky one... I lived about 2 miles from the fire (front) and everything I owned was in the back of my car.... just waiting to get a call. Neighbors here took turns watching roof-tops in our complex ( I had the 3am watch).

Yes, things are catching on fire, but it's the homeowners fault, or rather, the general citizens, if I might say, because... if nothing else, it's their complacenancy; all believe the Fire Dept. will put out the fire. WRONG!! They are just men and women that can only do so much; it's the homeowners responsibility, as well as, general citizens to control their actions, and we all know that's not going to happen anytime soon.

The old addage... "... your neighbor knows what you're doing" isn't so bad if you live in a high risk area. It's nice to know that, at least where I live, neighbors are looking out for me, as much as I'm looking out for them.

(just my 2 cents)

(stepping down from the soap box)
 
I think the new homes put up today are total crap. My Mom and Dad's home they built in 1955 has all plaster walls inside, real masonry chimneys, real cedar siding, a full basement with plumbing that goes under the cellar, and (gasp) an attic above the second floor. 600 thousand now buys you a new vynal high efficency box with a gable, not anything better than a storage shed construction with a master bath fiberglass whilpool tub. We're supposed to be thrilled. The day will come when the suburbs will be slums and the good old really great homes in the cities will be desired and esteemed places to live.
 
sad but true

I've looked at well over 100 homes in the last year or so with a friend who is an estate agent.
Some of the new construction has been well done - a lot of the modern materials available now are better than the materials we had available in the 20th century.
Unfortunately, nearly all of the newly constructed homes did not make use of these materials properly, many were so poorly put together that I can only conclude they were put up by illiterates who couldn't get a job at McDonald's.
Some of them should never have passed the electrical/water/gas inspections.
The scariest thing of all though, was that there was absolutely no relationship between asking price and quality of construction. I saw one home, priced in the millions, the foundation of which had been laid in the hard frost...another, priced at nearly 3 million had exposed Romex wiring, drawn throw holes which had been ripped completely through the I-Beam wooden supports...
And so on.
Sure, there is some bad construction to be found in older homes, too. But if I have to buy a "new" home, it will either be one built before 1960 or (if I win the lottery) a custom built one...with an inspector on site during the construction.
 
Panthera:

"Unfortunately, nearly all of the newly constructed homes did not make use of these materials properly, many were so poorly put together that I can only conclude they were put up by illiterates who couldn't get a job at McDonald's."

There's some truth to what you say: the potential for misuse of synthetic building materials is high. In my book "PreFAB Elements" (2005, HarperCollins), I advocate the use of prefabricated systems that eliminate much of the margin for error. There are prefab systems for every part of a house, from foundation to roof, and unlike "prefab houses" of old, the result can be completely customised. Basically, prefab elements are like building blocks for the house you want- you can select the best wall system for your climate and needs, and so on. There are wood wall systems for the Northeast, and fireproof metal-and-shotcrete systems for brush-fire-prone California, for example.

Another big problem in houses today is consumers who know little or nothing about repairs, safety or maintenance. People don't know where their circuit breakers are, they don't know where the water shutoff is, they don't know that furnace filters need frequent replacement, and they MAJOR don't know that you shouldn't store flammable materials near HVAC equipment, dryers, and water heaters. When I got the house before this one, I damn near fainted when I checked the dryer vent. It was totally clogged with lint, and there were huge wads of lint on the floor where the former residents' dryer had been. The only reason the place hadn't burnt was a merciful God.

People move their gas grills under vinyl soffits when it starts raining during a cookout, they clean hot coals out of their fireplaces with their vacuum cleaners, they never clean the ducting of their range's vent hood, they use corrugated plastic dryer ducting in spite of the fact that many localities ban its use by code. They take the batteries out of their smoke detectors so they can smoke or use the Jenn-Air without an alarm going off. There's no fire extinguisher, or if there is, it's two years past its recharge date. There's NEVER the full compliment of extinguishers there should be: one within six feet of EVERY heat-producing appliance- furnace, range, water heater, dryer and gas grill. And a chain ladder to escape a burning second floor? Fuhgeddaboudit.

I personally have seen so many insane safety situations in people's houses that I think it's a miracle there aren't more fires than there are.
 
We won't even discuss the danger of dryer softener sheet

Chorus:
Scotland's burning Scotland's burning
Look out, look out
Fire!, fire!, fire! fire!
Pour on water.
Pour on water.

Refrain:
We don't need no water let the MF burn.
Burn, MF burn!

Uh oh. OSB (Oriented strand-board) under the vinyl siding?
YUKKERS that stuff gets wet and will swell and pop like a bloated pregnant woman.

I am thankful the family was not at home.
What it the most valualble thing tht goes into a house or a vehicle? LIFE.

I have to inspect buildngs where there are fires. Most often the cause that I see is human error. Candles, Matches, cooking. Broiling and frying should not be left unattended....thank you very much. It kills me to see the death and destruction. Especially abandoned children's toys that tell me children lived there.

Please promise your dear old (wind-bag)Auntie Toggles this:
1- Please burn candles (bee's wax is best) in a bowl filled with water over a metal trivet on a non-combusible surface.
2- Please, no candles in the boudoir. Very easy to knock over a candle or toss a pillow into flames while...er sweat... doing the horoizontal tango.

The life you save may be your own.
When I heard that in one case a teenager placed a candle on a wicker shelving etagere, I wanted to puke. AVOIDABLE!

Take a second to be sure your gas cooker has ignited properly, or that you have energized the proper electrical stove-top element. Also with electric cookers, I live by this rule: Nothing on the stove unless you are atually cooking it at that moment. Too easy to "fire-up" the wrong one and cause a fire/problem. It just happened to someone I know who has cooked electrically all his life. I also turn on the range-hood light whenever and only when the cooker is energized/working. Reminds me to check-in on progress even from across the room.

Sorry to preach, but *SKEPSOU* THINK!
 
You cannot forget the way peole blalantly overload electrical circuits and practice poor electrical safety too. Generally, most people do not understand the concept of wattage, and will grossly overload circuits plugging in multiple high-consumption appliances. Homeowners frequently plug high-consumption appliances into extension cords that are too thin, or my favorite, using too large a light bulb in a lamp than it's rated for. The worst is when you get into peoples' bad wiring jobs, where unknowledgable homeowners make electrical repairs and upgrades that are unsafe. These upgrades can be dangerous with open grounds, the wrong gauge wiring used, etc.

It always frightens me to see pictures of homes like this because they can go up in smoke so quickly! I couldn't believe that fire started due to a Heat pump! they don't even generate significant amounts of heat. I suppose it came from the electric heating elements for the supplemental system. I bet it was poorly installed. Those heat strip units pull some insane amounts of power, and if they weren't wired up properly, was probably the cause of such a disasterous fire.

I can certainly say that I am glad I live in a house built in 1951!
 
You SO RIGHT.

I have a neighbor coomplain BITTERLY that she could not iron and use a space heater on the same circuit. UGH!
I guess she could not get the concept that 1,800 watts per circuit is generally the limit.

In my own house the pretty-boy ex-owner, a US marine-turned cop-turned fireman attempted some wiring. TISK TISK. Stick to acquiring uniforms and looking dashing. It was so bad and so wrong it was pitiful.
 
Toggs...
LoL, How many Red Toyota Corollas are out there???? I can hide eaisly...

No i mean new things (like dishwashers, water heaters, computers, tv's, heat pumps, etc)
 
There was a huge Town House Complex that burned like this here a while ago as well. Not sure of the cause, but the shoddy buliding standards where questioned.. The apartment complex we live in was very well constructed (i have the apartment with accsess to the attac). Hardiplank siding, a very good sized electrical panel, every plug near water is GFI grounded. I feel safe here. Toggles, why are dryer sheets so bad?? I have begun using them again?? Shall i heed the advice of our resident home inspector?? Hmmm
I too wonderd why there was a propane tank near the mail box??
 

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