And after a good soak and scrub (hmmm....sounds like a good name for a dishwasher cycle... LOL) here's what the filter and cover look like.
A bit of an improvement!
A bit of an improvement!
It came with the new house so....
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I also gave the tub a bit of a scrub followed by a Rinse and Hold cycle. It's looking better still! I need to find me some Zud for that rust at the rear of the tub (I think that may be the water inlet area) but even Hubby will be impressed.
Now, off to generate some dirty dishes for another test....
Now, off to generate some dirty dishes for another test....
looks good!
Good job cleanup on the filter, Paul. If you have some CLR, I would put in on the rust stains and let it set. Then put some in the dishwasher and run it through a cycle. That will also help clean the impeller area which very well may have some calcium deposits as well.
As mentioned, you might try Finish Powerball Tabs or the Finish Quantum. If you are using the extended cycle that will increase the length of the wash and give the enzymes a little more time to do their work and help loosen food soils. It also heats the water which will help the tablets dissolve.
Keep up the good work!!!
Good job cleanup on the filter, Paul. If you have some CLR, I would put in on the rust stains and let it set. Then put some in the dishwasher and run it through a cycle. That will also help clean the impeller area which very well may have some calcium deposits as well.
As mentioned, you might try Finish Powerball Tabs or the Finish Quantum. If you are using the extended cycle that will increase the length of the wash and give the enzymes a little more time to do their work and help loosen food soils. It also heats the water which will help the tablets dissolve.
Keep up the good work!!!
Barry, thank you for your help and for letting me know about that microfilter! I hate to say it, but maybe if I'd tried that on the WU901.... Dang it....
Wow that's some serious stain at the water inlet Paul. Methinks you have a high iron content in your water. I would also check the water inlet valve to check the screen and possibly clear it if it's clogged with grit or worse.
As far as Maytag being a poor water recirculator, I beg to differ. Those reverse rack machine were power houses and I never had an issue with stuff in the corners not coming clean.
Greg that GE 1200 is gorgeous! That dishwasher holds a ton of dishes and that Super upper rack holds an unbelievable amount of glasses and bowls. Washing is superb with that MultiOrbit wash arm too.
As far as detergent goes Paul, I wonder if the Cascade Platinum pacs would work better than the Cascade powder your using, especially with your water conditions.
The other thing I was thinking that your machine maybe direct drive and not belt driven. Those belt drive Maytags rumbled and I knew the dishwasher was running!
As far as Maytag being a poor water recirculator, I beg to differ. Those reverse rack machine were power houses and I never had an issue with stuff in the corners not coming clean.
Greg that GE 1200 is gorgeous! That dishwasher holds a ton of dishes and that Super upper rack holds an unbelievable amount of glasses and bowls. Washing is superb with that MultiOrbit wash arm too.
As far as detergent goes Paul, I wonder if the Cascade Platinum pacs would work better than the Cascade powder your using, especially with your water conditions.
The other thing I was thinking that your machine maybe direct drive and not belt driven. Those belt drive Maytags rumbled and I knew the dishwasher was running!
bwoods, I think you should know that John was on the staff of a Maytag dealership so he had exposure to many Maytag appliances. Later, when John and Jeff opened their own business, their consistent top rating in Washington Consumer Checkbook opened doors of many customers who not only purchased top of the line appliances, but who also cared about good service to keep them operating which led to maybe a disproportional amount of Maytag and KitchenAid dishwashers in their service rosters.
What you call continued improvement was known by many service techs as Maytag's finishing engineering in the field rather than in the preliminary engineering stage before a product was introduced. As for their staying with the design for so long, it means nothing about its merits. Look how long they stayed with their washer and dryer designs with all of their many flaws. I am not totally knocking Maytag products, except for their stoves and refrigerators, but I am not putting them up on an altar either. Their first dishwashers had that 18 minute heated wash which etched the hell out of glasses. They cleaned, but destroyed glass.
As far as your put down of WP dishwashers, if you judge a dw by its performance, WP dishwashers have historically outwashed many much more expensive machines. [this post was last edited: 8/27/2015-20:31]
What you call continued improvement was known by many service techs as Maytag's finishing engineering in the field rather than in the preliminary engineering stage before a product was introduced. As for their staying with the design for so long, it means nothing about its merits. Look how long they stayed with their washer and dryer designs with all of their many flaws. I am not totally knocking Maytag products, except for their stoves and refrigerators, but I am not putting them up on an altar either. Their first dishwashers had that 18 minute heated wash which etched the hell out of glasses. They cleaned, but destroyed glass.
As far as your put down of WP dishwashers, if you judge a dw by its performance, WP dishwashers have historically outwashed many much more expensive machines. [this post was last edited: 8/27/2015-20:31]
maytag
An individual's credentials or perceived credentials is a subject that has nothing to do with machine performance.
Maytag dishwashers, in the reverse rack era were very popular as premium machines. Manufacturer's keep product lines that have consumer loyalty. Maytag, although not personally my favorite company, had a dishwasher that trumped many of their competitors, such as Whirlpool. Nice features such as larger load capacity, an intuitive and consumer friendly racking system. A filtration system with automatic backwash, and high pressure jets, were years ahead of its competitors. And of course the most important feature as continually referred to by AW.org members is their washing ability.
And consistent washing ability. Whirlpools are hit and miss in the upper rack. Their continuous engineering improvements sort of went in reverse, just the opposite of Maytag who continually improved their machines. Whirlpool continually moved to designs with impeded performance. The design with the upper wash arm feed from a stream from the lower wash arm did fairly good in the top rack. But I found it was not always consistent on bowls, etc. with dried on foods like oatmeal. When they went to the "direct feed" performance went to a more inconsistent state in the upper rack.
When they went to the silverware rack on the door, they were greatly down rated by Consumer Reports, and my use of them confirms they do not wash silverware/flatware well, as you have water total blocked from one side of the silverware basket, and little surface area exposed to water on the top and bottom.
As one AW.org member mentioned the Whirlpool on door flatware rack "acted as a coarse filter" which I found to be the case as well. Especially dried cat food and meat particles would collect there. Even worse was the collection behind the silverware basket, caught in between the door and basket. And of course, when the lower rack is open you can't load silverware. And if you put large objects such as serving ladles (if you can even fit the in) into a Whirlpool on door basket, then they are so bulky you can't slide the lower rack out from the machine as the
objects in the silverware basket get in the way.
So I prefer Maytags engineering method of continual improvements, which make a good thing better, as opposed to Whirlpools degradation form of engineering.
The RR are a very well built, high performance machine. Consumer Reports was testimony to this as well as those on this site who use/have used them. Its nice to give credit where credit is due, and Maytag should be given credit for a finely engineered and finely performing machine!
An individual's credentials or perceived credentials is a subject that has nothing to do with machine performance.
Maytag dishwashers, in the reverse rack era were very popular as premium machines. Manufacturer's keep product lines that have consumer loyalty. Maytag, although not personally my favorite company, had a dishwasher that trumped many of their competitors, such as Whirlpool. Nice features such as larger load capacity, an intuitive and consumer friendly racking system. A filtration system with automatic backwash, and high pressure jets, were years ahead of its competitors. And of course the most important feature as continually referred to by AW.org members is their washing ability.
And consistent washing ability. Whirlpools are hit and miss in the upper rack. Their continuous engineering improvements sort of went in reverse, just the opposite of Maytag who continually improved their machines. Whirlpool continually moved to designs with impeded performance. The design with the upper wash arm feed from a stream from the lower wash arm did fairly good in the top rack. But I found it was not always consistent on bowls, etc. with dried on foods like oatmeal. When they went to the "direct feed" performance went to a more inconsistent state in the upper rack.
When they went to the silverware rack on the door, they were greatly down rated by Consumer Reports, and my use of them confirms they do not wash silverware/flatware well, as you have water total blocked from one side of the silverware basket, and little surface area exposed to water on the top and bottom.
As one AW.org member mentioned the Whirlpool on door flatware rack "acted as a coarse filter" which I found to be the case as well. Especially dried cat food and meat particles would collect there. Even worse was the collection behind the silverware basket, caught in between the door and basket. And of course, when the lower rack is open you can't load silverware. And if you put large objects such as serving ladles (if you can even fit the in) into a Whirlpool on door basket, then they are so bulky you can't slide the lower rack out from the machine as the
objects in the silverware basket get in the way.
So I prefer Maytags engineering method of continual improvements, which make a good thing better, as opposed to Whirlpools degradation form of engineering.
The RR are a very well built, high performance machine. Consumer Reports was testimony to this as well as those on this site who use/have used them. Its nice to give credit where credit is due, and Maytag should be given credit for a finely engineered and finely performing machine!
So far........
I have had only one Whirlpool dishwasher. It was good, but it cleaned no better than our first dishwasher, a WC400 that ran from 1973 to 1994, with only two comparatively minor repairs. The Whirlpool was a BOL with tower in my first apartment.
My current dishwasher, a 2005 GE Nautilus cleans well, but also no better than my WC400.
If I could find a reverse rack Maytag portable that wasn't beaten to helen gone, I would snap it up in a heartbeat!
I am very glad you're giving this one a fair trial, Paul!!!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
I have had only one Whirlpool dishwasher. It was good, but it cleaned no better than our first dishwasher, a WC400 that ran from 1973 to 1994, with only two comparatively minor repairs. The Whirlpool was a BOL with tower in my first apartment.
My current dishwasher, a 2005 GE Nautilus cleans well, but also no better than my WC400.
If I could find a reverse rack Maytag portable that wasn't beaten to helen gone, I would snap it up in a heartbeat!
I am very glad you're giving this one a fair trial, Paul!!!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Great job on cleaning the filter. That was a lot of calcium deposits. Or so it seemed.
Maytag had one of the best filter systems! It worked fantastic with soft foods.
I think your Maytag will grow on you. The RR is truly a dying breed.
Nice to know so many of them are still going strong to this day. Belt drive and direct.
B
Maytag had one of the best filter systems! It worked fantastic with soft foods.
I think your Maytag will grow on you. The RR is truly a dying breed.
Nice to know so many of them are still going strong to this day. Belt drive and direct.
B
I love this dishwasher. A friend of ours has one and it was easier loading than my KitchenAid I bought this year. It cleaned really well. I'm envious of you!! Lol.
Well, I'd really like to have your recipe of the tuna casserole. I've been looking for one for a while. Any chance I could get you to post it? I'd definitely try it.
I bought a new KitchenAid dishwasher earlier this year. I'm not real thrilled about it, I don't like the long, long cycle times on it and if I had to rate it on a scale of 1 to 10 on cleaning, about a 6 or 7. I use Cascade packs, and a water softner and it still doesn't cut coffee or tea film off of cups or the coffee pot. I usually wash the dishes before loading. But I guess that's what you get with the newer appliances with water restrictions. Oh well. I have a friend, co-worker, that has a new dishwasher too, she washes by hand all her dishes, she said it takes too long. Glad I'm not alone.
Well, I'd really like to have your recipe of the tuna casserole. I've been looking for one for a while. Any chance I could get you to post it? I'd definitely try it.
I bought a new KitchenAid dishwasher earlier this year. I'm not real thrilled about it, I don't like the long, long cycle times on it and if I had to rate it on a scale of 1 to 10 on cleaning, about a 6 or 7. I use Cascade packs, and a water softner and it still doesn't cut coffee or tea film off of cups or the coffee pot. I usually wash the dishes before loading. But I guess that's what you get with the newer appliances with water restrictions. Oh well. I have a friend, co-worker, that has a new dishwasher too, she washes by hand all her dishes, she said it takes too long. Glad I'm not alone.
If prewashed dishes, just use the 60 minute cycle.
The individual's credentials were to explain to you how John had exposure to so many Maytag dishwashers which you questioned, not to argue for a machine's performance or lack thereof.
partially clogged inlet valve
I agree with Mike that the inlet valve could very well have a clogged screen and not be allowing the full amount of water to enter the machine. You can easily take the valve/solenoid apart and soak the screen in a little CLR. I've had to do this several times which machines I've had. If its not too coated, Paul, you can try white vinegar or full strength lemon juice concentrate, like RealLemon.
I agree with Mike that the inlet valve could very well have a clogged screen and not be allowing the full amount of water to enter the machine. You can easily take the valve/solenoid apart and soak the screen in a little CLR. I've had to do this several times which machines I've had. If its not too coated, Paul, you can try white vinegar or full strength lemon juice concentrate, like RealLemon.
twintubber
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Nothing,
and I do mean absolutely NOTHING outperforms a Maytag RR dishwasher.
The best filtration of it's time and the racking was not only very flexible, but still to this day, the most capacious dishwasher I have ever loaded. And that is odd considering it's amazingly large cutout section for the fixed wash tower.
The key to loading one is knowing it's water distribution system well and loading according to THAT, and not so much on instinct, habit or competitors designs.
Every dishwasher's weakness is it's corners, so expecting miracles when loaded improperly will only result in continuous disappointment no matter what make of dishwasher.
Also, remember that it has a spray tower feeding it's upper rack, (quite literally the ONLY dishwasher where a spray tower was ever useful &/or effective), therefore bowls, large pots and deep jugs MUST be loaded on an angle to get full spray coverage and not a roughly 70% coverage. That's just logic and common sense really. But the average consumer was never expected to know that nor be that "intelligent" about using/loading a common dishwasher.
Seriously though, nothing beats them and I cannot wait to get mine eventually installed and enjoying it.
To those who have never experienced one and wish to, I wish you all the luck in the world in your search as you will never regret it or have as much fun with a dishwasher as you will with a RR Maytag.
Oh, just have ear plugs if you don't like anoisy dishwasher
and I do mean absolutely NOTHING outperforms a Maytag RR dishwasher.
The best filtration of it's time and the racking was not only very flexible, but still to this day, the most capacious dishwasher I have ever loaded. And that is odd considering it's amazingly large cutout section for the fixed wash tower.
The key to loading one is knowing it's water distribution system well and loading according to THAT, and not so much on instinct, habit or competitors designs.
Every dishwasher's weakness is it's corners, so expecting miracles when loaded improperly will only result in continuous disappointment no matter what make of dishwasher.
Also, remember that it has a spray tower feeding it's upper rack, (quite literally the ONLY dishwasher where a spray tower was ever useful &/or effective), therefore bowls, large pots and deep jugs MUST be loaded on an angle to get full spray coverage and not a roughly 70% coverage. That's just logic and common sense really. But the average consumer was never expected to know that nor be that "intelligent" about using/loading a common dishwasher.
Seriously though, nothing beats them and I cannot wait to get mine eventually installed and enjoying it.
To those who have never experienced one and wish to, I wish you all the luck in the world in your search as you will never regret it or have as much fun with a dishwasher as you will with a RR Maytag.
Oh, just have ear plugs if you don't like anoisy dishwasher
Sigh... I've got to try a little harder with that detergent cup problem - it's the last hurdle. Otherwise, I have been using the machine and since we got the water softening system, I am noticing a huge improvement in cleaning ability. It's just slightly inconvenient to have to hang around the machine and manually trip the main wash detergent cover; but I'll have to admit the 'Tag is cleaning well...
twintubber
Well-known member
Glad to hear
that you are enjoying the Maytag and that it is performing better for you.
As for the dispenser, I had an issue with one years ago and I just set a timer for when the main wash started and then would go and open it.
That way, I wouldn't get distracted by anything and forget about it and regret it later.
The Maytag is only a 55 min. wash cycle on it's longest cycle anyway, sans water heating delays that is, so it wasn't a huge deal to turn it back to the main wash and start over from there if I forgot.
If that happened in the Bosch, well, electronics make you start over from the beginning-another 2-12 hours gone.
So I appreciate the shorter cycle times of the older machines buy that is also because they used water and power to do the job right.
Oh, and what do you think of the SOUND of it in action?
I think it's an awesome and powerful sounding machine.
Enjoy your new toy.
that you are enjoying the Maytag and that it is performing better for you.
As for the dispenser, I had an issue with one years ago and I just set a timer for when the main wash started and then would go and open it.
That way, I wouldn't get distracted by anything and forget about it and regret it later.
The Maytag is only a 55 min. wash cycle on it's longest cycle anyway, sans water heating delays that is, so it wasn't a huge deal to turn it back to the main wash and start over from there if I forgot.
If that happened in the Bosch, well, electronics make you start over from the beginning-another 2-12 hours gone.
So I appreciate the shorter cycle times of the older machines buy that is also because they used water and power to do the job right.
Oh, and what do you think of the SOUND of it in action?
I think it's an awesome and powerful sounding machine.
Enjoy your new toy.
And we're over the last hurdle!
I have been using the Maytag here in St-Liboire reasonably often - I have to admit that most of the normal to heavy soiled stuff we throw at it (or in it is perhaps more appropriate...) does come out nice and clean. I've gotten used to the capacity and although I don't have a lot of front-loaders in regular use, I do find it's pretty easy to load and unload.
So last Friday, I decided to take off the front panel to see what exactly might be the issue with the detergent cup not tripping. I lucked out and found the original wiring schematic diagram tucked into the sound insulation on the inner panel - bonus! Now that I could get to it, I had to see if the bimetal trip lever was getting power during the main wash. I was very happy to see that it did. But the darn cup cover was still not getting released, so I looked a little closer...
And then it hit me - that ridge on the cup cover 'wheel' was not being held down by the bimetal trip lever. The operating instructions said to turn the cup cover to the right after filling the main wash detergent cup. What it didn't say was 'the spring is not very tight, so give it two revs and you'll be fine'...
I kid you not, that's all it was. I'm going to be doing some holiday baking in St-Liboire this week so I should have a test-load to try out very soon!
Is this a normal wear issue for a Maytag of this vintage? Should I be looking for a replacement cup assembly or will this gap me through until I put in the Spin-Tube?? Oh, no wait, the front-load Roto-Rack... LOL
I have been using the Maytag here in St-Liboire reasonably often - I have to admit that most of the normal to heavy soiled stuff we throw at it (or in it is perhaps more appropriate...) does come out nice and clean. I've gotten used to the capacity and although I don't have a lot of front-loaders in regular use, I do find it's pretty easy to load and unload.
So last Friday, I decided to take off the front panel to see what exactly might be the issue with the detergent cup not tripping. I lucked out and found the original wiring schematic diagram tucked into the sound insulation on the inner panel - bonus! Now that I could get to it, I had to see if the bimetal trip lever was getting power during the main wash. I was very happy to see that it did. But the darn cup cover was still not getting released, so I looked a little closer...
And then it hit me - that ridge on the cup cover 'wheel' was not being held down by the bimetal trip lever. The operating instructions said to turn the cup cover to the right after filling the main wash detergent cup. What it didn't say was 'the spring is not very tight, so give it two revs and you'll be fine'...
I kid you not, that's all it was. I'm going to be doing some holiday baking in St-Liboire this week so I should have a test-load to try out very soon!
Is this a normal wear issue for a Maytag of this vintage? Should I be looking for a replacement cup assembly or will this gap me through until I put in the Spin-Tube?? Oh, no wait, the front-load Roto-Rack... LOL
Front load Roto Rack....
<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Uhem.............doesn't that sound like a fun change. I remember one of my apartments in college had one. Don't remember a lot about how it performed which probably means it performed well. Although that was about XX years ago and there is lots I don't remember from that time period.</span>
<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">The idea of a spin tube intrigues me but I don't know that I'd want one as a daily driver. I just don't know if they could handle the types of loads I'd throw at them. I could be wrong. I don't have one to test with and I don't think I've ever seen one in the area.</span>
<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Uhem.............doesn't that sound like a fun change. I remember one of my apartments in college had one. Don't remember a lot about how it performed which probably means it performed well. Although that was about XX years ago and there is lots I don't remember from that time period.</span>
<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">The idea of a spin tube intrigues me but I don't know that I'd want one as a daily driver. I just don't know if they could handle the types of loads I'd throw at them. I could be wrong. I don't have one to test with and I don't think I've ever seen one in the area.</span>
How to make 'Detergent Cake'
Grumble... I seem to have found the cause of the detergent trip dilemma but I still haven't solved it!
Although I seem to have gotten the detergent cup to open during the main wash portion of the cycle, the cup spring seems to lack the recoil to fully open the cup, leading to wetting of the detergent rather than complete dissolution.
So, methinks I need a new detergent cup assembly at worst, or the spring-loaded cam unit at best. I did some very basic searching and I'm not sure if these are the correct part numbers (902884) for the entire detergent cup and (902247) for the cam spring repair kit.
I tried PartSelect and RepairClinic online - they had a listing for the parts and quelle surprise, they were both NLA.
Grumble... I seem to have found the cause of the detergent trip dilemma but I still haven't solved it!
Although I seem to have gotten the detergent cup to open during the main wash portion of the cycle, the cup spring seems to lack the recoil to fully open the cup, leading to wetting of the detergent rather than complete dissolution.
So, methinks I need a new detergent cup assembly at worst, or the spring-loaded cam unit at best. I did some very basic searching and I'm not sure if these are the correct part numbers (902884) for the entire detergent cup and (902247) for the cam spring repair kit.
I tried PartSelect and RepairClinic online - they had a listing for the parts and quelle surprise, they were both NLA.
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