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We are now several generations into the invention and use of microwave ovens, and guess what? Many have found despite all the hype and advertising claims otherwise, the things have a very limited range of use. You aren't going to be turning out "succulent" roasts from a standard microwave oven no matter what you do.

Have at least two microwave "cook-books", and few things outside some hors d'oeuvres, and simple dishes are worth bothering. Have yet to find anyone that can prepare most meats, fish and poultry in a MWO that has results anywhere near a conventional. Same goes for cakes, breads and so forth.

Most homes use a microwave for the basics; reheating, defrosting, preparing frozen dinner for one meals, veggies, and snacks. You don't need huge amounts of power for those tasks. My little vintage Sharp microwave does frozen veggies in just a bit longer than the more powerful Panasonic, but just.

Yes, in commercial/restaurant settings you can find powerful microwave ovens used mostly for reheating. But in such settings time is money, and thus you want to get things hot and on table quickly.
 
Microwaves are useful

For lots of things, including real cooking.

Baking, except for stuff like bigclive's chocolate cake in a cup, is a washout. 

But, dairy and fresh vegetables and corn-starch based puddings and sauces and steamed fish/tofu work out absolutely great.
 
The truth of the matter is,

I use microwave ovens for real cooking, so the weak one (except the real Amana Radarranges) don't catch my eye. I made a point of going down the microwave aisle at Walmart yesterday and, yes, there are 800 and 900 watt ovens. Who'd a thunk it?
 
"I made a point of going down the microwave aisle at Walmart yesterday and, yes, there are 800 and 900 watt ovens. Who'd a thunk it?"

Who'd thought of what? The existence of 800 watt ovens? Or that you'd shop Walmart? LOL

I was guessing that they must have smallish ovens still, since I see them here and there. But when the time to buy rolls around, I do my heavy shopping--and comparisons--where I might actually buy: the thrift store. Current oven was 99 cents on special color tag sale last holiday season.
 
I've ranted about this before here many times, so I'll try to keep it short.

The biggest culprits for the lacking performance of microwave cooking are lack of knowledge and "no metals in the microwave!" crap.

Sometimes you need some aluminum foil to shield stuff so it doesn't overcook, period end of sentence. If you don't know what you can and can't do with foil, roasting might be hard. Also, older microwaves with a stirrer fan and better wave guides (particularly before the bad stuff that has *only* a carrousel showed up) are less likely to self-destruct when used with foil than the cheapest trick on the block you can get new for a buck a dozen. With some particularly ill-designed microwaves you don't even need to use foil sometimes to cause trouble. We've used to live in an apartment that had a OTR microwave so badly built that if you had less than half a cup of liquid inside it it would just arc like crazy instead of making the liquid boil very quickly like other microwaves.

If you are *cooking* instead of just popping corn or rewarming leftovers, it pays to remember a few general things, which don't work exactly like this in *all* microwaves, but it's a good start:

(a) the center of the microwave is "cooler" than the middle -- if possible, arrange asymmetric food (like chicken drumsticks, for example) with the thinnest part inside the dish and the bulbous part facing the outside of the dish; if you alternate them instead to fit more, you'll need to pause the cooking at least once and reverse each item's position to get even cooking;

(b) whether or not you have a rotating carrousel, you'll probably need to stop the cooking at least once or twice and rotate the dish or stir the contents for best even cooking -- only microwaves with stirrer fans *and* a rotating carrousel might make this unnecessary; I find it funny that I have to mention this, because in the '70s, when nukers became affordable, people were amazed that they had to pay attention to the dish only once or twice and things were cooked *so fast* in less than 10 minutes compared to stirring constantly on the stovetop for 20 minutes, when now people are often appalled that they have to rotate and/or stir food once or twice and it takes *so freaking long* to cook at 5 minutes! ;-)

(c) just like you would never cook most dishes on a standard range burner using high power only, you usually do not want to set a dish on a 1200 W (or even 750W) microwave and let it go for a long time; that's why you have at least 3 different power levels (if not 10 or more) to use. It's very common to start a roast at one power and then switch midway thru and finish it;

(d) microwaves *can* brown roasts, particularly beef; it's just a question of using the proper timing and power; it's easy to make a meatloaf that is properly browned and delicious in a microwave in a fraction of the time it takes to make it in a standard oven;

(e) cakes can be moist and delicious, but you can't just make any single recipe and stick in there, even if they rise, they might become rubbery. For nice cakes from a microwave you need to use a recipe developed for baking in the microwave and such recipes will, in turn, fail miserably if you put them in a conventional oven;

(f) possibly the most important tip for microwave cooking: if you put a dish in for say, 1 minute, and then check it and it's halfway done, set the timer for 30 seconds next. If you are cooking one item for say, 5 minutes, and you want to cook 2 items, try 7:30 minutes *first*. You can always return the food to cook for another few seconds, but you can't undo "burnt". We are so used to regular burners and ovens taking proportionally longer that most people make the mistake of just doubling the time with microwaves. Most of the time you only need half of that, that's why it gets rubbery. It's not a miracle happening, it's that microwaves don't expose the food to cool air like regular cooking does, so you need less time;

(g) resting (or carry-over cooking) time is important -- if a recipe says for example, cook a meatloaf for 15 minutes and then rest for 5, it means that the outside inch or two of the food is at a much higher temperature than the inside, and the heat will transfer and finish cooking the inside in 5 minutes. If you check and find the middle uncooked and return it to the microwave without the resting time you risk overcooking or even burning the roast.

Anyway, there are plenty of yummy things that come off the microwave better than other methods. You can wrap corn on the cob or broccoli in saran wrap, for example, and in a minute or two it's steamed and ready.

Another thing to remember, it's much faster to cook some things (for example, a can of condensed milk, 3-6 minutes becomes a very nice caramel) than on a stovetop, but (1) some foods, like the caramel, might reach over 200F and you should be extremely careful with them and (2) they may expand 2-3 times their normal volume while cooking (they'll contract when cooling), for example, the can of condensed milk I just mentioned might need your largest pyrex dish to avoid overflowing while it bubbles and becomes caramel. DO NOT place the hot pyrex on say a granite-like countertop, use a trivet or potholder to avoid shattering the granite or pyrex, or melting/burning materials like Corian or Formica. I mention this because people are so used to quick stuff like warming coffee in the nuker and having the container on the cool side that they often don't think they'll need potholders and trivets when they are roasting, making a meatloaf or making caramels.

Good luck,
-- Paulo.
 
Tee-Hee

I never buy new appliances unless I have no choice, that's what thrift stores are for.
Paulo, those are wise words. Nothing there I hadn't learned in the 1970s, but each generation needs to learn it again.
To this day when German friends visit us here in the 'States (no visits until after 2020, seven relations/friends have already written), they always ask if we 'radiated' the food - just like back in the 1980s. Some cultures just never will be good at microwaving and the German left/green is one of them.
 
Have a few vintage microwave oven cookbooks

From the 1980's that came with various ovens purchased and or purchased at thrifts for one dollar. All outline the various methods and techniques listed above (stirring, use of tin foil, rearranging, initial arrangement of foods, etc....), and still one found results often lacking.

We aren't large red meat eaters, but will be darned if am willing to risk a crown rib or other top choice roast to a microwave oven. Not at today's prices anyway.

Have found that chicken comes out well if coated/breaded. Otherwise it tastes more like it has been "steamed" than roasted/baked.
 
When I had my larger Litton and GE, I used to make lasagna, meat loaf, a baked carrot ring, and many other things.  Last summer or the previous spring, I made a zucchini/squash/egg/cheese casserole that was from my GE microwave cookbook from the late 1970s.  My partner couldn't believe something so tasty came out of a microwave.  He thinks defrosting and even reheating most things in a microwave significantly changes the texture and taste.  Then again, the 2nd time I visited him and was cooking something in his OTR microwave and he was watching me, he turned to one of the dogs and said "Daddy Bob is using buttons on the microwave I've never used"  He also claims he cannot defrost in a microwave because the food begins cooking. 
 
Laundress,

That's how I approach everything I cook (not reheat, cook) in the microwave: It's a steamer.

Once you accept that the Maillard reaction is next to impossible to reach (I didn't say impossible, dah-links, I said next-to) you can work wonders with many foods.

They sure did try in the '70s and '80s though. I think the disasters were the reason so many folks regard these as fancy popcorn makers and food reheaters, period.
 
To be totally fair

Microwave ovens are yet another tool for those who cook to have in their kitchen. Just as with say a double boiler, there are things a MW is good for, others not so much, and or if one knows what one is doing can get things done regardless.

As often stated things like veggies, potatoes, and certain other things do up well in a MWO. If one is willing to bother rice can be done as well, but since have been cooking rice on stove top since *dot*, don't see the need. Have never tried but am willing to bet certain casseroles will do well in a MWO.

Do a wonderful pork roast, and favorite bit around here is the nice crispy top skin. You just won't get that from inside a MWO.
 
I am still using my Whirlpool RFM 7800 microwave since 1979. Knock on wood, I can still push the keypad for 1 minute to reheat whatever even though it came with a 2 inch thick cookbook, temp probe and 6 different cycles. Cycle one, 1 minute, start is all I do. No way I would cook anything in it as microwave cooking is way far from tasty.
 
Tim,

Microwave cooking can be very tasty. I look at it the same way as I do cooking foods in a steamer basket in a pressure cooker ('live' steam doesn't carry taste). You're steaming the food.

Here's some microwaved things that taste great:

Chocolate pudding.

Fresh egg omelettes.

Garlic cloves.

Baked apples/pears

Fatty fish.

There's much more. 

Cheese tamales.

Potatoes.

Stuff which needs a crust or development of the Maillard process, of course, doesn't come out well.

 

For many individual steps in recipes, using a microwave makes a difference between having to watch the food like a hawk and getting reliable results. One of them is 'browning onions until transparent and slightly caramelized'. We  all know that the recipes which say to brown onions and garlic for five minutes are <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">bullsh</span> horse-feathers. It takes at least 20 minutes to brown onions that way and the garlic would long since be burnt and bitter.

If you put the onions in a covered container and nuke them for three minutes first, then put them in hot oil, wow - consistent, predicable delicious results.

Garlic shouldn't be treated like onions, sheesh. No wonder so many people think it's bitter.

 

Anyway, milk sauces and fish like flounder come out far better in a microwave than 'conventionally'. 
 
My Whirlpool, being nearly 40 years old, does not cook anything evenly. Even reheating needs a few rotations of the dish. You figure this model was invented before microwave popcorn was. Although I got the not so bright idea shortly after buying it to try and pop regular popcorn in a pyrex bowl. Popcorn did not pop but the pyrex bowl shattered.
 
I'm enjoying this thread...

 

I do cook chicken legs and thighs in the MW, and they are a quick easy meal that way.  I also make stuffed green peppers in the MW too, another quick meal, though I do end up browning the meat first. 

 

I have used standard cake mixes in the MW also.  I'd use the large glass bowl that I mixed it in and insert a large glass tumbler in the middle to act as sort of a bunt pan.  Made a  light airy cake, nothing you could frost, but a sprinkle of powdered sugar was a nice finish.

 

The Whirlpool I had previously in the kitchen that now resides in the garage had both halogen and infrared browsers that did work very well.  You can combine those with MW power to get a good meal.  I wish the current MW/convection oven I'm using had that option.  Maytag used to make a 3 in one, but it's long gone from the market.
 
Part of the reason Europe has got away with

the super underpowered microwave ovens is because we have the power over there to run browners and convection ovens with microwaves.

A 230V circuit at 16amps means you can run a constant 3200 Watts with no difficulty and more for short times.

(And no, I'm not interested in playing the stupid 'but that doesn't count with AC games. The difference comes out to less than 1%).

Here, we're lucky if we can run a 20Amp circuit at the wimpy 120VAC.  Pitiful.
 
I consider microwaves to be an inferior source of heat for most cooking. Even for steaming veggies, I've found the MW tends to char broccoli buds, which gives them a bitter taste and unpleasant appearance. 

 

It's OK for microwave popcorn and reheating mostly liquid based foods. I also use the lower power levels on the inverter to warm things like hoagie rolls and burger buns (30% power). A setting of 10% could be used as a keep warm setting (haven't tried that yet, though). 

 

It's also OK for heating up most prepackaged entrees that are designed for the microwave. Some, though, do poorly, like fried chicken (Swanson's Hungry Man). The problem there is that even with turning the pieces around, bits tend to get overcooked, dried out, tough, while other bits are undercooked. The best stuff has ample moisture in it to start the steaming process instead of singing the food. I've found that for bagged entrees like Fried Rice and Yakitori noodles, cutting a small notch in the face of the bag with scissors, adding a tablespoon or so of tap water, and microwaving with the notched side up, tends to avoid uneven heating and its attendant problems. Otherwise the noodles, rice, or chicken bits can get dry and tough.

 

Cooking a roast or whole chicken in the microwave? No thanks, been there done that. For rice I prefer the Zojirushi rice cooker, which gives good, consistent results, even on brown rice. For roasting chicken or turkey I prefer the outdoor BBQ/Rotisserie. And for tough cuts the slow cooker or crock pot generally works best. Steaming veggies? Takes less than 10 minutes in a stovetop lidded pan. Often a covered frypan can be used for single pan meals, like stir fry: cook the meat pieces in hot oil until they are browned, remove. Add the sliced veggies (bagged frozen ok too), sear in hot oil, add enough water to steam, before they are al dente add back the meat pieces and any other ingredients that only need heating. Serve of the noodles or rice prepared in advance. Delicious!

 
 
Well unless something moves me otherwise

Panasonic will go out this week on recycling day.

Have too many other projects that need doing, and again the experience of having that Sharp MWO repaired is still fresh in one's memory.

There is also as one keeps repeating no shortage of microwave ovens here locally on CL going for very little money.

Have the vintage Sharp microwave that suits needs for now. No, it doesn't have sensors or any of the other bells and whistles of modern microwave ovens, perhaps that is why it has lasted so long! *LOL*
 
No bells and whistles might well be a reason why it lasted so long. I'm a firm believer in this equation:

 

Features=More Things To Break

 

LOL

 

But...shouldn't there be at least be a bell to announce "I'm Done!"? At least, it seems like those ones with mechanical timers had a bell, rather than electronic  beep.

 

As far getting rid of the Panasonic, it makes sense. I admit...I'm a bit torn on such decisions. I hate throwing things away. I like getting full use out of something. But...it's not like there is a huge shortage of microwaves. And the cost of repair is probably not worth it, unless the microwave is something special.
 

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