Its a Good Thing I Cleaned The Oven

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Eddie,

 

Glad I could be of some help there. I was just going on my own experience, as well as some knowledge of the comparative reliability of bimetal strips vs. mercury filled glass tubes. As long as the glass tubes are not broken, they seem to last forever.

 

Ralph,

 

I frankly do not remember giving you such valuable advice, but who am I to turn down such a compliment? "Oven Whisperer", indeed! LOL. Please refresh my memory (such as it is) with the actual nichrome heating element repair process I may have given you. I might need it someday! AFAIK, the best repair for a kaput heating element is simply to replace the element. That is assuming all the wires are connected properly in the first place. Now, I'm curious! ... ;-)

 
 
Rich, you don't remember the whole blowtorch process using brass jewelry wire and borax paste for flux?

 

Scroll down through the linked thread and you'll see the whole story.

 
The Saga Continues

Well, after all the work I went though to repair my stove unfortunately the oven door was sprung and didn’t have a tight seal anymore even with a new gasket.  As a result the top of the stove got hotter than the hinges of hell every time the oven was on.

 

So I ordered a new stove on 1-8-22 ( a GE JB625DKWW) and it was delivered and installed last Friday. I decided that since cleaning the oven resulted in the eventual demise of the stove due to my unfortunate and ill advised laying on the open oven door to facilitate access to repair it now was the time to bite the bullet and get a self cleaning oven. I also decided to get a ceramic stove top since I’ve read that the new coil top stoves with the sensi-temp burners are not particularly liked by many that have them.

 

I’m very pleased with the decision.  The oven bakes evenly and is insulated so well that the top doesn’t get hot at all.  The storage drawer is a bit smaller than the old stoves drawer, but I was able to move things around so it all works out just fine.  And the stove top is sure a lot easier to clean.   I’ve had no trouble getting used to the burners.  I’ve had to glass top stoves in the past and already knew what to expect.  So far it is just as easy to regulate and use as my old coil top.

 

All’s well that ends well.

 

Eddie


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So Glad I Bought A Stove With A Self Cleaning Oven

This afternoon I ran a 3 hour self cleaning cycle, the second time I’ve done so since I got it in January. The first time I did a self cleaning cycle was last May. Because it was the first time I used this feature it did emit a little smoke as the owners manual said it would due to the residual manufacturing oils.

Today it was warm so I left the kitchen window and the sliding glass door in the dining room open. The oven was moderately covered with burnt on grease splatters. Even so I thought that the min. 3 hr cycle would be plenty. It cleaned perfectly and NO smoke at all! I only had to clean the bottom sill of the oven where the bottom of the door covers it preventing the intense heat to reach it, with an SOS pad. And then just wipe out a very small amount of ash.

I’m now a believer in self cleaning ovens! This is the best one I’ve ever owned or used. Money well spent.

Eddie
 
I have

A similar GE mine is the new grey color which i love, I have to admit, it is a fantastic baking working range, The only thing i dont like is, its so very slow preheating, I can turn my 59 Westinghouse on 450, The new GE on 450, mix up a batch of biscuits, and put them in the preheated Westinghouse before the GE has got up to temperature, other than being slow, I have no complaints.
 
Hi Eddie

Just notice this post.
I guess you ain’t ever going to lay on a oven door again. 😂
Last Xmas time we were invited guests at someone’s house..kind of a pot luck deal. New experience for us cuz we usually do all the hosting.
We brought something (can’t remember what) that needed to be heated before serving…well we forgot that the world has pasted us by! These folks had a stove similar to your new one.
We both stood in front of it and couldn’t figure out how to turn it on!
Suddenly the hostess, who’s been in our kitchen many times realized what our confusion was about, and yelled out from across the room
“you don’t have to light a f——g match” she came in and turned the dern thing on for us!
Glad to know your happy with your new one.
 
Hi Stan,

I love your story about your friends stove!

I just watched “The Apartment” on TCM last weekend and there’s a scene where Jack Lemmon is frantically trying to get into his apartment after smelling gas in the hallway and thinking that Shirley Maclaine is trying to commit suicide. When he gets in she tells him she was trying to heat up some water for tea I think.

Relieved that she wasn’t trying to kill herself he tells her that you have to light the gas burner first. Even in 1960 there were people that had been modernized to the point they had forgotten that some gas stoves still needed to be lit.

Eddie
 
Eddie

This is what we’ve been using the last 38 years
Our hostess and the rest of group knew this as we’ve hosted all the gathering at our house.
This old stove has cranked out many party dinners. (For them)
I later found out that they were all in on the joke and wanted to see if we’d know what to do.
Later after they were all drunk and shit (I was the designated driver) I thought I should try to help clean up some of their kitchen. I was handicapped there too. I was afraid of their garbage disposal..I didn’t want run it in case there was somethin in it that shouldn’t be, but was afraid if I stick my hand in to check it might have some new fangled sensor that would turn it on automatically! So I scraped plates onto some old newspaper to wrap up (like I do at home) Found their outside garbage to put it in. Their inside garbage can had a lid on it that you had to push a button ever time you wanted to open the lid (annoying)
I knew I wouldn’t know how to use their dishwasher or load it properly.. I managed to find dishwashing liquid and a kitchen sponge..I sanitized it with some bleach I found, also found a clean dish towel. I got all the wine and cocktail glasses washed by hand. (The ones they weren’t still drinkin out of)
By the time it was over I felt like I’d been in the Twilight zone!
This year the party is back at my house and my old girl will crank out another Thanksgiving dinner.
Let’s see if one of them assholes can figure out how to clean up in mine..or turn my stove on!
Ten bucks says they dump food down the sink. They ain’t no garbage disposal over here!
😂😂

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Stan,

I love your kitchen and I’d have no trouble navigating in there at all. I prefer electric stoves myself, and we don’t have gas service in our home. But I’ve cooked on an old Wedgewood stove like yours before and it was easy to use and cooked just fine.

As for the rest of your friends set up in their kitchen, we have a DW, but I haven’t used it since April 2018. We wash all the dishes by hand and I find it something I throughly enjoy. And I took the garbage disposal out over 10 years ago and don’t miss it at all. We compost the food scrapes. Works just fine for me.

The last straw with the garbage disposal was when the sink plugged up on Easter while I was preparing dinner for a houseful of guests and had to bring out the plunger while I was trying to mash the potatoes. And no, I hadn’t put the potato peels down the disposal, I knew better than to do that.

Eddie[this post was last edited: 10/24/2022-13:04]
 
What should go down a household disposer

Definitely potato peels coffee grounds including the coffee filter if it’s paper.

There’s very little that actually should not go down and disposer and it’s far more ecological to put the stuff down the drain where it will be turned into fertilizer instead of just sitting and making methane in a landfill somewhere.

The only thing I don’t put down disposers are clam and oyster shells, artichoke leaves and excessive amounts of corn husk even the corn cobs can go down if you like.

Disposer is also a very good way to dispose of things like butter wrappers and things that are contaminated with food waste, I put a lot of paper labels from cans that are going to be recycled down the disposer as well.

John L
 
This is a July 17, 2022 article from EcoMyths

Composting Vs Garbage Disposal – Is it Better for the Environment to Compost or Use the Garbage Disposal?
June 17, 2022 by Steve
Spoiler alert: Clearly, composting is way better for the environment than using the garbage disposal, and it costs less as well.

Composting keeps the garbage from ending up in a landfill, where it generates much more methane, a greenhouse gas. Composting saves using up space in the landfill. And, composting actually creates a valuable resource – fertilizer for home use and for commercial farming.

What’s so bad about using the garbage disposal?

Well, as we just mentioned, food that goes into the garbage disposal ends up in waste water, which must be pumped through the system, then subjected through a multi-step process of filtration and disinfecting. The final products are water that’s released into local waterways, where it’s used again for any number of purposes, such as supplying drinking water, irrigating crops, and sustaining aquatic life, and “biosolid” residue.

Truth is, “biosolids” is a marketing term, a euphemism for sewage sludge. Sometimes, that biosolid is sold as compost, which has been controversial, since it may contain industrial chemicals, medical waste, oil products, pesticides, home cleaners, etc. Other times, that residue is headed for – you guessed it – the landfill.

Of course, you’re running water while running the garbage disposal, so you’re using more water than necessary – wasting water, and adding more water to the sewage system, which then needs to be processed and filtered out.

Food waste can also cause plumbing problems, as most everyone has experienced. Food waste that contains unsaturated fats solidify at room temperature and can build up inside your pipes, causing clogs – very inconvenient, and possibly very costly.

So, putting your food scraps in the garbage disposal uses extra water, could possible clog your pipes from time to time, requires a lot more energy for processing, and often ends up in the landfill anyway.

So, should we consider putting those food scraps in the regular trash?

Uh, no. The more important reason to keep food scraps out of the landfill is that, as they break down, they generate much more methane gas than if they’re composted. Composting does generate carbon dioxide (another greenhouse gas), but methane causes 30 times more heat buildup in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide, so causes a lot more environmental damage. (That’s why you hear so much about methane-producing cattle being such an environmental problem.)

Yes, there have been improvements in capturing methane from landfills, but it’s a difficult process, with many problems, and is not very widely used yet. Preventing methane generation in the first place is much more effective.

Is using the garbage disposal ever a good idea?

Definitely, yes. If you live in an area where curbside compost pickup is not available, and you’re not interested in backyard composting, grinding up those food scraps in your garbage disposal is still much better for the environment than tossing them in the regular trash bin, for the reasons we mentioned above – specifically due to the considerable methane gas that the food scraps in the landfill generate. We always want to keep food scraps out of the landfill.

Can’t the solids from wastewater be sold, to offset the processing costs?

Solids from wastewater are either dumped in landfills, incinerated, or sold cheaply or given away for fertilizer. According to an article in the Guardian, “In 2019, about 60% of sewage sludge produced by treatment facilities will be spread on farmland and gardens, as well as schoolyards and lawns.” Sounds like a viable solution, right?

They also noted that, “the waste management industry lightly treats it and sells it cheaply to farmers who view it as a cost-saving product.” But, they also note, the sludge contains “any number of 80,000 manmade chemicals that are discharged from industry’s pipes or otherwise pumped into the sewer system”. In order to really process that sludge sufficiently, it would much more expensive processing. Therefore, selling the biosolid is not really cost-effective.
But, doesn’t collection and hauling that composting material cost money, and generate pollution?

Yes, it does. So, if you’re a backyard composter, that’s an even better way to handle food scraps. However, non-gardeners don’t really have a need for the compost, so municipal composting is a far more environmentally safe solution than the alternatives – the garbage disposal or regular trash bin.

Doesn’t composting generate methane too?

Yes, composting does generate some methane. According to Moonshot Composting, “Any time organic materials (like food scraps) decompose, they can be expected to produce methane and carbon dioxide. The more air included in the composting process, the more carbon dioxide that compost emits instead of methane.”

Since methane is 30 times more negatively impactful to our environment than carbon dioxide, any process that minimizes methane generation is better. Aerobic composting – introducing oxygen into the composting process as is done in both backyard composting and commercial composting – results in far less methane generation than anaerobic breakdown – like in a landfill.

Is backyard composting better than curbside compost collection?

Definitely yes. Backyard residential composting is the best solution overall to dealing with food scraps. All composting does generate some methane, but properly aerated composting

Benefits include:

You know it’s organic, so safe for your vegetable garden
There are no transportation costs, and the associated air pollution generated
There’s no methane production.
So, the choice is clear – compost your food scraps, however possible. If you can’t do that, drop them in the garbage disposal. As we’ve seen, mixing them in with your regular household trash is the worst option.

There are several other articles on this subject, all with the same info. Google what is better for ecology, composting or garbage disposals.

Our compost is picked up by the garbage company weekly from the composting/yard waste receptacle that they provide for this purpose.

We don’t have water to waste in California by suing garbage disposals. The compost provides fertilizer for agricultural needs.

Eddie

 
Funny story, Stan. Your reactions to new appliances are similar to mine for driving new cars. My newest vehicle is 23 years old and the oldest is 63. I got into a friends new car about 5 years ago and was clueless how to operate it. It was a super "old man" moment, lol.
 
Potato Peels and Garbage Disposals

When we moved into the first home we ever bought of course it had a garbage disposal. This was the first time I’d ever lived in a home with one. We moved in there in Oct. of ‘87. By the end of Nov ‘87 the kitchen sink became plugged. I’d lived on my own for 17 years by that time and not once had I ever had a plugged kitchen sink. I tried to plunge the drain with no success so I was forced to call a plumber. The first thing he asked me was if I had put potato peels down the disposer? I said yes. He told me that I should NEVER put potato peels down ANY garbage disposal. He told me that the starch from the potato peels can cause the pipes in the drain to become clogged. And the source of many of his service calls.

He snaked out the sewer clean out and the kitchen sink drain. It cost us $75.00 which we could ill afford just before Christmas and after buying our first home. Since then I never again put any potato peels down a garbage disposal.

After I took our garbage disposal out of our kitchen sink over 10 years ago and replaced it with a conventional sink drain I’ve never had to plunge the kitchen sink again.

If you do an online search of “will potato peels clog a garbage disposal” there at least two pages of articles that say putting potato peels down a garbage disposal will clog it, and its because of the starch forming a think paste that clogs the plumbing.

So perhaps John you’ve just been lucky.

https://www.dumpdisposal.com/can-you-put-potato-peels-down-the-garbage-disposal/

Eddie
 
Potato peels going down and clogging the drain

I’m not lucky I do things right, it’s a very common problem for potato peels to clog drains when you have a worn out cheap disposer.

 

The plumber should know this too he should sell you a decent disposer with stainless steel plates they will never clog drain with potato peels, but many plumbers are too stupid to realize this or they just want to keep charging you for SCs.

 

No operators manual for any disposer I’ve ever seen advise against putting potato peels down it.

 

But if you have a cheap badger or other offbrand disposer with just steel blades, in probably 4 to 8 years it’s going to start putting really large things down the drain. You could often get away with this if you have really good new plastic drain lines in your home the potato peels will go down pretty much whole but I don’t recommend that.

 

ISE only recommends they’re cheap badger disposers for homes with new plumbing they really shouldn’t be used with older houses. HUD even requires ISE to make cheap badger models with stainless steel blades because they know of this problem in public housing they maintain.

 

John

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