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Here's an ad from 1970 that touts the 'carefree comfort' of the Total Electric House ". . . where everything's electric, including the heat."

They tell people that it's "Odorless. Quiet. A fresh new sensation of warmth from floor to ceiling."

"Learn what a genuine bargain flameless electric heat is, how little it costs for the unsurpassed comfort and convenience it delivers."

37 years later, the baseboards buzz and clunk, the smell of burning dust and hair greets you each time you turn up the heat, and the heat is not by any means fresh, comfortable, or evenly distributed throughout the room. The numbers on the thermostats are approximate at best.

If the dogs lay against it, they'll have a smelly, brown stripe in their fur for the next few months. Baseboards take up nearly the entire length of all of the outside walls, so it's nearly impossible to arrange furniture in any useful way.

As to genuine bargains, don't make me laugh!

-kevin

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Well mate,

That's how they roped us in and now, that consumer dependency is complete, it's time to cash in. As for the points you made - totally spot on. I recon steam/hot water radiators are superior to baseboards and under-floor heating is even better. I don't even mind forced-air heating, it beats electric baseboards by a mile.

Rapunzel
 
What? You don't believe in the Comfort Zone?

My old house, and my apartments before that, had thermostats without numbers but with an area on the dial called "comfort zone"

And I think you assessment is spot-on. I hated baseboard heaters.
 
Worse yet a lot of the all-electric homes had all aluminum wiring in them as well.
Baseboards are a bit of drag keeping clean. I spent ages last winter cleaning about a 4 ft strip in the bathroom it was so clogged with lint. I used Fantastick and pipe cleaners to get between all the little aluminum fins. The rest don't seem as bad.. mostly towel and hair lint in there.
 
Launderess,

I hadn't noticed that, but you're right. No doubt the real mother was just off camera.

On a related note, if you examine advertisements where a model is holding a product in their hand, they're seldom actually looking at it. That's because if you look at something up close you have to cross your eyes to see it, and that doesn't look particularly sophisticated in the photograph.

-kevin
 
One advantage of forced air is that if you have a well sealed system, and use good filters, it will help keep the indoor air clean and odor-free.

I put 3M Filtrete Ultra passive electrostatic pleated filters in both the filter locations for my home furnace. I've noticed that in the summer, cooking odors tend to linger longer than in winter, when the furnace runs most nights. I attribute the improvement to the forced air filtration.
 
Electric basebord heat is probably the lest "Green" choice of any heat. It costs gas or neuclear or coal power to produce that electricity, whereas gas sent to the home for heat would eliminate the need for these fuels to create electric heat to heat it. Electric heat is a load of crock. You are using an end product of a matierial that would do the job cheaper in the beginning.

Big propaganda. We had a home built near us called the total"Electric Home" in the late 60's. It now has gas heat and hot water, only the electric stove is still there. jThey could not afford to heat the home in the winter with electric heat,which was total bullshit sold to them as "clean energy".
 
.......and not everyone likes pushy.

If you have to advertise it to push it, chances are its not catching on of its own merits........

Probably the best things that can be said of baseboard electric resitance-coil heat:

1- The heat is delivered near the floor, which is a plus.
2- If wired as such, there can be room-by-room control.
3- Not drafty.

For me, the potential for fires via contact with the heaters is frightening.

My understanding is that a heat-pump uses about 25% of the energy of electrical resistance-coil heating.
 
Electric baseboard heating is used a lot because it is the least expensive form of heating to install, thus builders like it. I have it in my house and from a comfort point of view, I hate it. No matter how high I turn up the heat, I still feel cold. Also of course it is very expensive. Fortunately I have a wood stove which one of the previous owners of the home installed. It is home made and has a furnace type blower attached to it along with ductwork that goes throughout the basement, and living/dining/bathroom on the main floor, not to the bedrooms. So the main living areas are nice and cozy and the bedrooms are cooler which is great for sleeping. This system works so well that sometimes I have to open the patio door because it gets so warm in the house.

Gary
 
My first encounter with "Total-Electric Living" was in Tampa back in the mid-1970's. I had been used to (extremely cheap at that time) natural gas cooking, water heating, and home heating like most homes in Atlanta at that time.

What a shock when that first bill from "TECO" arrived! They were charging about three times the amount for electricity that I had been accustomed to paying in Atlanta. Led me to believe those developers in cohoots with the power company promoting that "Total-Electric Living" were just scamming the public. Knowing full well once you moved into a home without gas service you had no choice at all. AND, especially during the summer months when Tampa experienced extremely violent thunderstorms on a daily basis, the power was prone to go out at any time leaving one in the lurch for hours on end.

It was no less pricey to use in the winter either, and I discovered Tampa can have some seriously cold winter weather too! Went into the single-digits for a couple nights back in the early 1980's!

The old house I just moved from back in Atlanta had those old individual gas heaters in each room as well as gas cooking and gas water heating. The price of gas in Atlanta went through the roof as soon as gas was "de-regulated" in the early 1990's, so it was no longer a bargain. However, when the power went out (as could happen for days on end, if an ice storm hit), I could cook, take a hot shower and could heat the house. Something to be said for not depending on just one type of energy.
 
I like electricity for everything except heat.

If it were possible in my home, I'd love to have forced-air heat. It gets heat all over the rooms, the vents are small, it's easy to add air-conditioning, and a whole-house humidifier would make my sinuses very happy!

Unfortunately, between the layout and the low ceilings, it just isn't possible. Someday I'll have water heat. Someday.

-kevin
 
It was weird living in Tampa (TECO Energy) when they had peak alerts in the wintertime (especially at Christmas)...all that heating load plus cooking plus lighting. I was a midwestern boy which saw the REC ads for Peak Alerts in the summertime (at least in St. Louis they always had kind of a foreboding, "emergency broadcast system" vibe
 
It was weird living in Tampa (TECO Energy) when they had peak alerts in the wintertime (especially at Christmas)...all that heating load plus cooking plus lighting. I was a midwestern boy which saw the REC ads for Peak Alerts in the summertime (at least in St. Louis they always had kind of a foreboding, "emergency broadcast system" vibe
 
Is it the 4th of July already?

I was in the Tampa Bay area in Florida visiting a relative. The temperature was 40*F. (and the place was a ghost-town due to the "EXTREME COLD"! *LOL*). The power transformer in front of the complex blew due to excessive electrical demand.

Apparently reisistance heating coils take 3 to 4 times the wattage of a heat pump / cental air-conditioner.

My dad said they do have black-outs during cold snaps; in the northeast we get them in winter due to storms, but not demand.
 
Gosh Kevin and other on this bandwagon, why are you so negative? Nothing is all bad and everything requires some maintenance. If the element supports were adjusted there would not be noise from the heaters. Even hot water baseboard heating needs that kind of adjusting sometimes. People without a dog would not encounter the problem you mentioned, but why would you let your dog singe its coat? Keeping the units vacuumed eliminates the burning dirt smell. Usually the covers to these units are removable to facilitate cleaning. What's with your furniuture placement? My apartments with baseboard heating only had units under the windows. Ceiling fans or small fans keep the temperature even, floor to ceiling and I even have to use the ceiling fan with hot water baseboard heating. Since the ad does not mention any one type of electric heating, you focused on your bad experience with baseboard heating. My Aunt and Uncle in Seizure World have radiant ceiling panels and it is very comfortable heat, warming even the floor with infrared rays. Many people are happy with other types of electric heat both here and in the South where I grew up.

You also should put the ad in perspective time-wise. Looking back and totally knocking something based on the way things are now distorts history. Total electric homes used to get a rate break before the 73 oil embargo and there are places in the Pacific Northwest on Bonneville power where electricity is still cheap; of course the salmon are facing extinction becaue of the hydroelectric dams. Baseboard heating as well as the radiant ceiling panels and other forms of strictly resistance heating fell from favor as air conditioning became a standard in new construction. In our Mid Atlantic area, it is still cheaper to heat a home using a heat pump during mild weather with back up heat from an efficient gas furnace that using only a gas furnace since along with electricity, natural gas rates have increased sharply in the past few years.

I remember Boys' Life from the 1960s when Scouts received it free. Each issue had a page at the back where a story was told in graphic or comic book style. One particular story was about a Scout camp of the future, full of wonders. Even though it was winter, the Scouts could wear shorts and other summer atire because of the radiant overhead heating of the entire outdoor area of the camp made possible by almost free electricity from nuclear power. There was great optimism in post war America that technology would make life better, easier and safer. The same dreams permeated the optimism in the 1939 World's Fair when the General Motors Futurama showed the City of Tomorrow where among other things, autogyros would a means of personal travel. Only 3 of the Green Towns shown in the film were built, including Greenbelt, MD where I lived for a decade when all of those dreams of progress had to be shelved while technology was used to wage WWII. Exploration of outer space never brought us to 2001 as predicted in the movie, but space research for rocket nosecones did bring us Pyroceram for Corning Ware. The dreams and predictions based on limitless supplies of cheap energy hit reality head on with the first oil embargo in 1973. Thanks to corporate greed and government corruption, we still have not faced up to the fact that we need to find non-carbon based sources of energy. Energy costs are very high now and electrically heated homes built in cold climates when there were lower rates for electric space heating are no longer practical in many cases, but again, when total electric homes were designed, they were heavily insulated and that along with many other factors made them economical given the rates electric utilities were offering.

In 1982, Greenbelt Homes, Inc., the cooperative that ran the housing in Greenbelt, undertook a huge rehab of the housing. All of the old oil-fired boilers were decommissioned, radiators removed, attics insulated and the 1930s metal casement windows replaced with insulated doublepane vinyl windows. Each home received an electrical heavy up, electric baseboard heat and an electric water heater. The co-op fee we paid each month had included heating and hot water which meant charges for oil and boiler maintenance. These charges were dropped after the rehab and that winter, nobody's electric bill was anywhere near what each home's charges for heat had been in the co-op payment and that was adding the costs of electric heat and hot water to our normal electric use. Those of us who put in heat pumps saw our heating costs reduced even more.

I'm sorry for your bad experiences with electric heat, but they are not universal.
 
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