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They just don't build them like they used to! We have two 75lb capacity washers and work and two 120lb capacity dryers made by Alliance Laundry Systems. About a month ago, the machines turned a year old and wouldn't you know it? That means their one year warranty ran out about a month ago... The lint filter access panel on one of the dryers needs to be held in place to start the dryer because the clips that hold it in place are broken. Both of the washers now have trouble latching shut, one of them the handle just fell right off while trying to open it after finishing a cycle. Those are all semi-minor fixes though. A week ago, one of the washers decided to keep repeating the final spin over and over and over! It would distribute, accelerate to it's full 1,000 RPM spin (quite impressive for a washer that holds 75lbs of laundry!), count down it's 5 minute spin, coast down to a stop (which takes forever), then distribute again and take off for another spin! That washer has since been fixed... Until last night, it decided to instead of repeat the final spin over and over to just skip the final spin! Has anyone here had to unload a 75lb capacity washer while the towels were still sopping wet? My back is still killing me! And of course, since these were now clean towels, but dripping wet, I had to put the load in the other washer and rewash it because no one knew how to tell it to just do a spin! With the towels already being clean and the automatic detergent injection system being set to deliver a certain amount of detergent to every load, the machine started oozing suds out the top and of course it suds locked as well! So, it too couldn't spin, my boss had me then disconnect the injection system and rewash them yet again to flush out the soap!

Is it just me, or are commercial machines dropping drastically in quality as well?
 
jamie

The reverse on the dryers wiil make the load take up to 15 min longer to dry. It is for large pcs as sheets and blankets so they will not tangle..Your washers have a program key and instructions for programing to do ANYTHING you need them to do. I have had a number of alliance products and for the money all have been very good machines.. You have 5 years on the basic machine warranty.. If you contact them they will work with you. They replaced bearings that went out on the 125 lb washers 2 mo after the warranty.. Your local distributior should "fight " for you.. mine did. The unimac is the cheapest of the line, then huebush,uniwash,and speed queen. they must have been chosen by bid.. they always come in the lowest. although same mfg. all the lines have some major differences in quality. programming the machines is really very simple if you have the manual.. I will not let anyone program my machines as they can really mess them up.. Ecolab reps are VERY good about "forgetting" program proceedures too. And have had them totally skip some operations. That is why I will not let ANYONE program any of my machines.. Also check and see if the machines are totally level.Put a glass 1/2 full of water on the top while in full high extract they should not put a ripple in the water, If they do they need to be reset.. That can cause things to "come loose".just too much vibrations.. I do have the programming instructions for the machines and can fax them to you if you need them. Alliance will also send you the full manuals if you call them. And if you call the tech dept they will email you the program instructions.. Mac
 
Sadly, no one at the fitness center has that program key or the manual, not even the executive director or the head of maintenance. Thus, we have no way of programming the machines. They are programmed only by our Ecolab rep. What steps do they tend skip when programming?
 
Call Alliance

Get a new manual and key They also have the suggested forumulas in the manual
 
Jamie sorry to hear about all your washing woes, but those things look like really fun machines! Imagine, getting paid to do laundry!!!
 
Jed

I have gotten paid to laundry for 35 +years and sometimes on Monday morn. after the surgery linen has set over the weekend it is NOT so fun. Nor when the morgue linen comes in.
 
Jed, true they are pretty cool, but then you see their cycle and you're shocked and horrified!!!! Fill, cold water wash, drain, fill, "hot" water (120F) bleach rinse, drain, fill, cold rinse, drain, fill, cold rinse, drain, fill, cold neutralizer and 3 drops of softener rinse, drain, spin. No spin after the wash or between rinses!!! Not even a distribute tumlbe like our "American frontloaders"!
 
jamie

Ecolab reps program the machines so they use as much detergents as possible. Thats where the money is for them. They also will usually program 2 washes when you only may need 1 so they can use more.. and are known to add detergent with the bleach too in effort to use more. I have seen formulas on light soil items where they had detergent being pumped in 3 or 4 times, when once would have been plenty. They are also told to use 120 as the highest temp as to save money.. They will not use any higher temps unless you "demand" them too. At 120 they can use more products too. as the temp is not really quite high enough to do a good job they make is up in chemical use. It really takes 140 for bleach to do a good job. And 155 is the benchmark for most plants, If using a chlorine bleach. Also the 1st rinse should be a hot rinse or the chlorine will carry over to the sour and softner and cause linen to degrade.. If you see a lot of lint in the tumblers traps after a load of towels is run is is beacuse the bleach is not being all rinsed out. Clean your traps and run a load of towels. Then clean it again after the load there should be no more lint than the size of a golf ball when all rolled up.Any more an you have problems.. Happy washin'
 
Not to mention that the machine is completely programmable. Your distributor should be able to provide you a manual on how to do it. Maybe they cut out the intrim spins to cut down on vibrations in the building (or maybe because they know that the machine won't last long with alot of spinning).
 
Sudsman

Once long ago, you and i posted about the old wascomats with the blue control panel and the "trick/track" plastic card programs. Even then with a powdered supply dispenser, it would wash twice and rinse several times, although the rinses were Very Very warm I dont remember being as hot in the wash they were hot by todays Home standards though. I did not know that the first rinse should be so hot, so as not to inactivate to sour/softner... Sudsman you know some Stuff. Not to disrespect our modern F/L fans, Think about MRSA and the rise in TB. Maybe our "home laundry is contiributing to this. That little splash of "hot" water, is not enough in these home machines that wash 22 towels. The towels are cold and the machine is cold. So hot is warm at best, I want HOT water. alr2903
 
MRSA

Has nothing to do with laundry or even cleaning habits, but the over and improper use of antibiotics, especially in the Western countries such as the United States and parts of Europe.

Basically doctors are giving out antibiotics, and persons are taking them when they shouldn't. The result has been an increase in "germs" that have adapted and become almost immune to said drugs. Just as rodents and all other living things can develop immunity to anything over time, so too can "bugs".

With TB, and the other side of the coin is persons having been prescribed a dose of antibiotics, start to feel better and or cannot afford to complete treatment, and stop taking the drugs before the disease is cured. This allows some bacteria that survived initial dosages to begin to build immunity to particular antibiotics, soon a new strain is created that is totally unaffected.

As for TB in laundry, that disease is spread by spores, and normal laundering would do nothing but perhaps knock off some,and hopefully send them down the drain, however depending upon the level of contamination, the laundry may still contain enough TB "germs" to spread the disease to anyone handling or using that laundry. To say nothing of contaminating the laundry equipment and area. IIRC, TB infected laundry falls under the category of work that is sterlised before laundering, and probably done away from general laundry.

L.
 
Thanks Launderess, I agree with you, but linens from a homebound patient's bed with say a draining wound, would ordinary home laundry take care of the MRSA? How about C Diff? I have nursed many a year. I guess stuff like this is what creeps me out about coin ops. You are right about TB it is a wax encapsulated spore, i should of realized there would be another step as you mentioned sterilization. Thanks arthur
 
Thanks laundress, for the link, was mainly curious about using coin op's after others, sometimes it's kinda scary. thanks again. arthur
 
I Feel Your Pain

Really try very hard not to use the local laundromat washers anymore, only if totally necessary.

Several local vets, pet hospitals, dog runs, dog sitting and walking services use this particular mat, and god only knows what else.

Hot water fills are mixed with cold, so one is not ever sure just how hot a "hot" wash truly is,the washer porthole never feels warm, much less hot.
 

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