our DOJ lawyers do not want WP to buy poor Maytag according to a business news story on Yahoo.
It's OK to sell port operations to foreign countries, but...
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Wow. Obviously, Whirlpool wasn't expecting this decision.
Yes well great!
Now some foreign firm will get it.
Possible scenarios:
1- Felafel with that Maytag, Afendi?
2- Arroz Con Gondules con el Maytag senior?
3- Free dim-sum with Maytag, white lice or fried lice? Any sauce?
Now some foreign firm will get it.
Possible scenarios:
1- Felafel with that Maytag, Afendi?
2- Arroz Con Gondules con el Maytag senior?
3- Free dim-sum with Maytag, white lice or fried lice? Any sauce?
Thats Just STUPID!
It's okay for all these banks to become super big mess banks?
It's okay to allow all the MEGA-INCs to support the worlds biggest lobby system in DC? So the little guy has no say in what goes on in DC?
I liked monopolies! All the airlines had big seats, the phone worked and no one called me about which phone service I would like.
Have IQ's dropped since the 60's???????
It's okay for all these banks to become super big mess banks?
It's okay to allow all the MEGA-INCs to support the worlds biggest lobby system in DC? So the little guy has no say in what goes on in DC?
I liked monopolies! All the airlines had big seats, the phone worked and no one called me about which phone service I would like.
Have IQ's dropped since the 60's???????
It's interesting to note that the Canadian government approved the merger last week, just before this tidbit came out in the press here. I'm actually quite shocked that this would be a problem at all given the political and pro-corporate climate we have today. An article in our local paper yesterday cited that it was Home Depot that was fussing about the merger and complaining of possible price fixing on the part of Whirlpool since they would be the largest maker of laundry products, etc. This isn't over, if a suit is filed by the DOJ to stop the merger, Whirlpool and Maytag can file suits as well... On it goes.
HAVE THE IQs DROPPED SINCE THE 60s?
On the front page of Sturday's Washington Post: Cooking 101: Add 1 Cup of Simplicity
At Kraft Foods, recipes never include words like "dredge" or "saute." Betty Crocker recipes avoid words like "braise" and "truss." Land O' Lakes has all but banned "fold" and "cream" from its cooking instructions. And Pillsbury carefully sidesteps "simmer" and "sear."
When the country's top food companies want to create recipes that millions of Americans will be able to understand, there seems to be one guiding principle: They need to be written for a nation of culinary illiterates. (nasty me: Illiteracy is not limited to culinary matters.)
Basic cooking terms that have been part of kitchen vocabulary for centuries are now considered incomprehensible to the majority of Americans. Despite the popularity of the Food Network cooking shows on cable TV, and the burgeoning number of food magazines and gourmet restaurants, today's cooks have fewer kitchen skills than their parents--or grandparents--did.
To compensate, food companies are dumbing down their recipes and cookbooks are now published with simple instructions and lots of step-by-step illustrations.
"Thirty years ago,, a recipe would say, 'Add two eggs,'" said Bonnie Slotnick, a longtime cookbook editor and owner of a rare cookbook shop in Greenwich Village. "In the '80s, that was changed to 'beat two eggs until lightly mixed.' By the '90s, you had to write, 'In a small bowl, using a fork, beat two eggs,' she said. "we joke that the next step will be, "Using your right hand, pick up a fork and...'"
At a conference last December, Stephen W. Sanger, chairman and chief executive of General Mills Inc., noted the sad state of culinary affairs and described the kind of emails and calls the company gets asking for cooking advice: the person who didn't have any eggs for baking and asked if a peach would do instead, for example; and the man who railed about the fire that resulted when he thought he was following instructions to grease the bottom of the pan--the outside of the pan.
It's like Greg mentioned once about taking treats to school functions; everybody wondered where he BOUGHT what he brought and were amazed that he had actually baked them in his oven. That sort of fits in with what Richard Ruben, who teaches cooking courses to non-cooks said.
"In my basic 'How to Cook' class, I get people who have only used their ovens to store shoes and sweaters. They don't know what garlic looks like."
On the front page of Sturday's Washington Post: Cooking 101: Add 1 Cup of Simplicity
At Kraft Foods, recipes never include words like "dredge" or "saute." Betty Crocker recipes avoid words like "braise" and "truss." Land O' Lakes has all but banned "fold" and "cream" from its cooking instructions. And Pillsbury carefully sidesteps "simmer" and "sear."
When the country's top food companies want to create recipes that millions of Americans will be able to understand, there seems to be one guiding principle: They need to be written for a nation of culinary illiterates. (nasty me: Illiteracy is not limited to culinary matters.)
Basic cooking terms that have been part of kitchen vocabulary for centuries are now considered incomprehensible to the majority of Americans. Despite the popularity of the Food Network cooking shows on cable TV, and the burgeoning number of food magazines and gourmet restaurants, today's cooks have fewer kitchen skills than their parents--or grandparents--did.
To compensate, food companies are dumbing down their recipes and cookbooks are now published with simple instructions and lots of step-by-step illustrations.
"Thirty years ago,, a recipe would say, 'Add two eggs,'" said Bonnie Slotnick, a longtime cookbook editor and owner of a rare cookbook shop in Greenwich Village. "In the '80s, that was changed to 'beat two eggs until lightly mixed.' By the '90s, you had to write, 'In a small bowl, using a fork, beat two eggs,' she said. "we joke that the next step will be, "Using your right hand, pick up a fork and...'"
At a conference last December, Stephen W. Sanger, chairman and chief executive of General Mills Inc., noted the sad state of culinary affairs and described the kind of emails and calls the company gets asking for cooking advice: the person who didn't have any eggs for baking and asked if a peach would do instead, for example; and the man who railed about the fire that resulted when he thought he was following instructions to grease the bottom of the pan--the outside of the pan.
It's like Greg mentioned once about taking treats to school functions; everybody wondered where he BOUGHT what he brought and were amazed that he had actually baked them in his oven. That sort of fits in with what Richard Ruben, who teaches cooking courses to non-cooks said.
"In my basic 'How to Cook' class, I get people who have only used their ovens to store shoes and sweaters. They don't know what garlic looks like."
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Oh My God.
Why do only the lawyers and their court buddys always fare in profit on these issues.
I understand the all about monopoly's etc.
DOJ - work on other issues that directly effect citizens welfare and stay the Hell out of this. (hint: we still need help here in the south from all the past hurricanes.....think you could pass a vote on that)
I'm over it
Steve
Why do only the lawyers and their court buddys always fare in profit on these issues.
I understand the all about monopoly's etc.
DOJ - work on other issues that directly effect citizens welfare and stay the Hell out of this. (hint: we still need help here in the south from all the past hurricanes.....think you could pass a vote on that)
I'm over it
Steve
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Silly humans, what will they do next...?
An old conservative guy whose name escapes me just wrote a book on the decline of the US. He is rather ticked-off at the present administration, to put it mildly. One of the factors he says is killing us, is the "financialization" of the economy: as it's commonly said, in the past we used to manufacture things, now we just sell each other mortgages. (The other two factors are religious extremism, and over-dependence on oil which is about to start running out.)
Think about the commercials you used to hear on the radio, for all kinds of real products. Nowadays, half of the commercials are for either going into debt or getting out of debt, and the other half are for various pills. I suppose all those pills are supposed to cure the sicknesses you get from too much debt.
IMHO the roots of our present de-industrialization of America go back to Margaret Thatcher's de-industrialization of England. English companies with as much as 250 years of history, that survived two world wars and the (last) great depression, were killed off by Thatcherism. I swear she is going to fry in hell for eternity for that. And the present crop of her American equivalents will be frying right along next to her.
An old conservative guy whose name escapes me just wrote a book on the decline of the US. He is rather ticked-off at the present administration, to put it mildly. One of the factors he says is killing us, is the "financialization" of the economy: as it's commonly said, in the past we used to manufacture things, now we just sell each other mortgages. (The other two factors are religious extremism, and over-dependence on oil which is about to start running out.)
Think about the commercials you used to hear on the radio, for all kinds of real products. Nowadays, half of the commercials are for either going into debt or getting out of debt, and the other half are for various pills. I suppose all those pills are supposed to cure the sicknesses you get from too much debt.
IMHO the roots of our present de-industrialization of America go back to Margaret Thatcher's de-industrialization of England. English companies with as much as 250 years of history, that survived two world wars and the (last) great depression, were killed off by Thatcherism. I swear she is going to fry in hell for eternity for that. And the present crop of her American equivalents will be frying right along next to her.
Think of how much fun others will have sticking forks into them to see if they are done.
The fact that our major corporations have been able to export these jobs, especially to an antagonistic place like China is criminal. The Chinese were making the counterfit $100 bills that North Korea used to flood financial markets. That's why we had to have a new design. Chinese drug lords are making crystal methamphetamine for North Korea's drug trade. The leaders that question patriotism over some small POS issue are the ones complicit in moving the wealth out of this country and allowing the importing of illegal aliens to do the work that has to be done here cheaper so that they can break labor's back. This country is headed for some very eye-opening events when more and more foreign firms and governments that have our money start buying up more and more of this country and will then be telling us how to live.
The fact that our major corporations have been able to export these jobs, especially to an antagonistic place like China is criminal. The Chinese were making the counterfit $100 bills that North Korea used to flood financial markets. That's why we had to have a new design. Chinese drug lords are making crystal methamphetamine for North Korea's drug trade. The leaders that question patriotism over some small POS issue are the ones complicit in moving the wealth out of this country and allowing the importing of illegal aliens to do the work that has to be done here cheaper so that they can break labor's back. This country is headed for some very eye-opening events when more and more foreign firms and governments that have our money start buying up more and more of this country and will then be telling us how to live.
What you're seeing now isn't even the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the financial clout China will have on the worlds economy over the next few years let alone the next couple of decades as their mega population makes an even great shift from agriculture to manufacturing and service industries.
The other country to watch out for is India, again with a massive billion plus population they too are pulling out all the stops when it comes to becoming the world leader in superior health care at a fraction of the cost among other things.
The other thing too is that India and China are pumping out university graduates by the thousands and will have if they don't already a higher percent per capita amount of people with university degrees and specialties leaving the USA and other western countries in the dust when it comes to a highly educated population. The Chinese especially put a high value on education and don't pay lip service to it like here. India isn't much different.
The other country to watch out for is India, again with a massive billion plus population they too are pulling out all the stops when it comes to becoming the world leader in superior health care at a fraction of the cost among other things.
The other thing too is that India and China are pumping out university graduates by the thousands and will have if they don't already a higher percent per capita amount of people with university degrees and specialties leaving the USA and other western countries in the dust when it comes to a highly educated population. The Chinese especially put a high value on education and don't pay lip service to it like here. India isn't much different.
IQ going down? Yes and for good reason...
One of the talking points of our current administration was that we need to place a greater value on education especially in the fields of mathematics and science. All evidence to the contrary. NASA climate change studies have been supressed and the NASA website engineers were "asked" to add the term "theory" after every mention of The Big Bang where it concerned the origins of the universe. Consider too the funding cuts for higher education institutions, tuition grant programs for the poor and interest hikes on student loans. Proper grammar and legible handwriting are less important in elementary cirriculum now than ever before - we have computers to do it for us. I'm not pointing my finger at one person, party or group, this is a joint effort (through complacency and ingnorance) on the part of every American. We are creating a country of ignorant people but the saddest thing is, everyone is too busy watching American Idol to care...so the wheels keep turning.
One of the talking points of our current administration was that we need to place a greater value on education especially in the fields of mathematics and science. All evidence to the contrary. NASA climate change studies have been supressed and the NASA website engineers were "asked" to add the term "theory" after every mention of The Big Bang where it concerned the origins of the universe. Consider too the funding cuts for higher education institutions, tuition grant programs for the poor and interest hikes on student loans. Proper grammar and legible handwriting are less important in elementary cirriculum now than ever before - we have computers to do it for us. I'm not pointing my finger at one person, party or group, this is a joint effort (through complacency and ingnorance) on the part of every American. We are creating a country of ignorant people but the saddest thing is, everyone is too busy watching American Idol to care...so the wheels keep turning.
Sad thing is, a lot of customers in the dark about washers will buy a Maytag, Whirlpool or GE because they think it is made by the same American company that their 1973 Maytag set was, whereas the truth couldn't be anymore different.
Same thing is happening here in the UK. People buy Hotpoint because it's British and think it will last just as well as the model they bought in 1981, but the sad truth is that the machine is now of Italian design, only assembled in the UK, and you'd be lucky if it lasts you 5 years. But people still buy it because they think it is British designed and engineered, yet they couldn't be far more from the truth. Scary really, when you think it is a Communist state that is producing a lot of these new appliances, and the majority of our electronics.
Jon
Same thing is happening here in the UK. People buy Hotpoint because it's British and think it will last just as well as the model they bought in 1981, but the sad truth is that the machine is now of Italian design, only assembled in the UK, and you'd be lucky if it lasts you 5 years. But people still buy it because they think it is British designed and engineered, yet they couldn't be far more from the truth. Scary really, when you think it is a Communist state that is producing a lot of these new appliances, and the majority of our electronics.
Jon
Jon, we were shocked in April, 2001 at the Kitchen & Bath show in Orlando when we walked into the Asko area and started opening doors. There were still some washers, dryers and DWs that looked like Asko machines, then there were all of these cheap looking things. We were told that Asko had somehow merged with a firm in Italy, not known for making quality anything, but now those things had Asko's name on them, sort of like what Maytag did with all of the junky lines that they bought up.
Greg, I thought that the math-science initiative was most ironic when religion trumps science in the classroom and visitors from all over the world can read and purchase a publication in the Grand Canyon Visitors' Center which disputes everything about the geological history and formation of the canyon since the book states that the whole planet is only a few thousand years old. We have created a culture where ignorance is glorified if the ignorance can be found to have a Biblical reference. Why is fundamentalism bad when it is Islamic, but good when it is Christian? And, if you think it is outrageous that an Afghan citizen is in danger of being put to death for converting to Christianity, I hope that you know that for centuries when the Catholic church was running the world, if a Christian converted to Judaism, both the convert and the rabbi who helped with the conversion were put to death.
Greg, I thought that the math-science initiative was most ironic when religion trumps science in the classroom and visitors from all over the world can read and purchase a publication in the Grand Canyon Visitors' Center which disputes everything about the geological history and formation of the canyon since the book states that the whole planet is only a few thousand years old. We have created a culture where ignorance is glorified if the ignorance can be found to have a Biblical reference. Why is fundamentalism bad when it is Islamic, but good when it is Christian? And, if you think it is outrageous that an Afghan citizen is in danger of being put to death for converting to Christianity, I hope that you know that for centuries when the Catholic church was running the world, if a Christian converted to Judaism, both the convert and the rabbi who helped with the conversion were put to death.
Not too terribly surprised to think of HD having something to do with muddying the water. Their CEO who was cast off by Jack Welch (at GE) some years ago has been trying to mold HD and its related companies into another type GE conglomerate. The senior management at HD is VERY pro-Republican party. They also have built up quite the nasty reputation for bullying vendors. One of the reasons their competetors or doing so well is the vendors that got po'd with the Depot went "across the street" to do business with the other guys----and like it!
Now Whirlpool, from what I understand, has a very good and humanitarian policy in place to care for their employees, and, for instance, do not discriminate against same gender partners. So I would think maybe the fundamentalists currently in the Oval oriface would tend to view Whirlpool as sort of a liberal minded group.
In any event, it will be interesting to see what will happen now. I think another consortium of business people might just get in the fray now and make an offer. The big questions for them will be not only "what are they buying?" but more importantly---"what will they sell?"
MTC
Now Whirlpool, from what I understand, has a very good and humanitarian policy in place to care for their employees, and, for instance, do not discriminate against same gender partners. So I would think maybe the fundamentalists currently in the Oval oriface would tend to view Whirlpool as sort of a liberal minded group.
In any event, it will be interesting to see what will happen now. I think another consortium of business people might just get in the fray now and make an offer. The big questions for them will be not only "what are they buying?" but more importantly---"what will they sell?"
MTC
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I honestly think Maytag's in a bit of serious trouble, but nothing as bad as needing to be bought out. That lazy ass CEO John Hames just doesn't want to work at fixing Maytag and making it great again. Maytag needs to take a hard look at itself. It's heart is in the right place, but it's body is expelling crap. Once Maytag reidentifies itself and makes high quality, durable, no nonsense appliances, and not try to copy what everyone else from F&P and Hair are doing with all their plastic, Maytag will come back. They also need to stop their rebadging of overseas appliances right quick. I'm actually hoping our old Maytag LA511 will break so we can get the matching Neptune washer to go with the Neptune dryer we got in 2003, before they discontinue them.
I'm not impressed with the Korean sourced Neptunes. I think they're abominations. We're almost toast when talking about domestic industries, the US auto industry is fighting the gallows tooth and nail, i would be devastated to see our appliance industry go that way too.
As far as being bought out, if that seriously is their only future, then I'd rather see Maytag stay domestic and go to Whirlpool, or maybe even GE if they are suddenly interested. I'd be devastated if Maytag went to Hair. I've experienced some of "China's finest" and their stuff makes me laugh, seriously.
I honestly think Maytag's in a bit of serious trouble, but nothing as bad as needing to be bought out. That lazy ass CEO John Hames just doesn't want to work at fixing Maytag and making it great again. Maytag needs to take a hard look at itself. It's heart is in the right place, but it's body is expelling crap. Once Maytag reidentifies itself and makes high quality, durable, no nonsense appliances, and not try to copy what everyone else from F&P and Hair are doing with all their plastic, Maytag will come back. They also need to stop their rebadging of overseas appliances right quick. I'm actually hoping our old Maytag LA511 will break so we can get the matching Neptune washer to go with the Neptune dryer we got in 2003, before they discontinue them.
I'm not impressed with the Korean sourced Neptunes. I think they're abominations. We're almost toast when talking about domestic industries, the US auto industry is fighting the gallows tooth and nail, i would be devastated to see our appliance industry go that way too.
As far as being bought out, if that seriously is their only future, then I'd rather see Maytag stay domestic and go to Whirlpool, or maybe even GE if they are suddenly interested. I'd be devastated if Maytag went to Hair. I've experienced some of "China's finest" and their stuff makes me laugh, seriously.
Very interesting!!
I was talking to a couple of distributors / buyers within our industry and Maytag UK is going from strength to strength over here.
Granted is not with the "original" products except refrigeration, Asko badged laundry as well, Rangemaster cooking, Constellation Cleaning etc, reputable companies building well built appliances that can stand up to the marketing straplines ..."Performance You Can Depend On"..."Dependable Care"..."Built From The Ground Up"
On the Maggie Thatcher thread....we do blame her as a figurhead...BUT...its also the people who have shares in the companies as well now...its fine to take the share profits, but the same people (over here, I`ll own this one)then balk and winge when we see our finest companies decimated never to return.( I also realise its much more than that as well)
COOKING: we are ALMOST 2 generations too late with this one,not taught in schools to everyone, working mums era partly makes it necessary, and convenience food is the latest to have accessory... M & S dont rely on their clothing now but rather FOOD...now thats diversification for you...
Jamie Oliver is doing a grand job at re-educating the children (and Adults)about what they eat and how they prepare it...BUT it is the BASICS that they now dont get from moms or dads round the table all with your own bowl making all sorts of cakes etc, to get them to FEEL and EXPERIENCE what its all about...
WHAT TO DO:
Gospel according to Mikey, its back to all of us talking & engaging about this stuff at FAMILY & COMMUNITY level, engaging local groups, identifying issues, feeding it through to local schools & councillors, then to you MP`s, having needs met and making sure Governments & Organisations dont just think we will all roll over and let them do what they want...
Thought For The Day:
When was the last time you had such a burning issue that you wrote/discussed it with your MP / Congressperson???
AND Now!!! after all that I need to "Maytag" the house & "Clean My Space" !!!...
I was talking to a couple of distributors / buyers within our industry and Maytag UK is going from strength to strength over here.
Granted is not with the "original" products except refrigeration, Asko badged laundry as well, Rangemaster cooking, Constellation Cleaning etc, reputable companies building well built appliances that can stand up to the marketing straplines ..."Performance You Can Depend On"..."Dependable Care"..."Built From The Ground Up"
On the Maggie Thatcher thread....we do blame her as a figurhead...BUT...its also the people who have shares in the companies as well now...its fine to take the share profits, but the same people (over here, I`ll own this one)then balk and winge when we see our finest companies decimated never to return.( I also realise its much more than that as well)
COOKING: we are ALMOST 2 generations too late with this one,not taught in schools to everyone, working mums era partly makes it necessary, and convenience food is the latest to have accessory... M & S dont rely on their clothing now but rather FOOD...now thats diversification for you...
Jamie Oliver is doing a grand job at re-educating the children (and Adults)about what they eat and how they prepare it...BUT it is the BASICS that they now dont get from moms or dads round the table all with your own bowl making all sorts of cakes etc, to get them to FEEL and EXPERIENCE what its all about...
WHAT TO DO:
Gospel according to Mikey, its back to all of us talking & engaging about this stuff at FAMILY & COMMUNITY level, engaging local groups, identifying issues, feeding it through to local schools & councillors, then to you MP`s, having needs met and making sure Governments & Organisations dont just think we will all roll over and let them do what they want...
Thought For The Day:
When was the last time you had such a burning issue that you wrote/discussed it with your MP / Congressperson???
AND Now!!! after all that I need to "Maytag" the house & "Clean My Space" !!!...
*WOW*
The above is a machine I would surely buy two of-
One to use
one to collect
2,000 watts? *GULP* Can't do that here with what Euro-boys (of this site) have called old-fashioned 110v!!!!
The above is a machine I would surely buy two of-
One to use
one to collect
2,000 watts? *GULP* Can't do that here with what Euro-boys (of this site) have called old-fashioned 110v!!!!
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Hoover Constellation
Didn't the Constellation float about on air? When I was a kid, our neighbors had one and it was VERY easy to pull around.
Didn't the Constellation float about on air? When I was a kid, our neighbors had one and it was VERY easy to pull around.
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