Yay!!
Nice progress, you're learning for sure!
Nice progress, you're learning for sure!
It's Timeline time!!
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philr
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Almost ready for a load of clothes!
brucelucenta
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My parents had a TOL '57 Norge timeline set. Nice looking machines that the panel would light up. The Washer had two cycles, normal and short. One speed machine, the two speed one came out the next year. I remember my father changing the pump out on more than one occasion. They were bad about pumps going out. After several years of use, he had quit fixing it himself and was busy with work and such. Our service man, he was a regular by then, told my mom she should think about getting a new machine. So the next time the pump went out, they bought a GE V12 in about '63. I always hated that machine and shortly after, the Norge gas dryer caught some lint on fire and was replaced by a Premier gas dryer, GE's matching dryer that was gas. I guess GE did not put their name on gas appliances. That dryer took forever to dry a load of clothes in comparison to the Norge and developed a problem with the motor heat switch. Sometimes you would not even make it through one load of clothes before it kicked out. You had to wait until the motor cooled down enough to start again. I equally hated that dryer too. Anyway, I think the Norge set was probably a better set in the long run. I think they improved their pump later on down the line. Was a good machine other than that. Certainly a nice looking set. My favorite Norge set would be the models that came out the very next year. The TOL 1958 Norge set. Those were magnificent looking machines will lots of chrome and knobs. Full light up panels and the washer was two speed instead of one. That was also the last year they made the Timeline washers.
56 Norge Time-Line Washer
Wow Paul, it looks like this washer saw little use, hopefully it will not give you too many problems.
The melted timer backs were a common problem on TLTs, Norge didn't really have a clutch so they would accelerate into spin quickly like a Frigidaire Unimatic. The problem was if something like the pump was stuck the motor stayed in the start winding too long and the timer was not over-built to withstand this.
As Bruce mentioned the pumps were diffidently a weak area, and your pump looks to be in almost new condition.
CRs gave Norge washers a best buy rating in the 50s for their good performance and lower price but the durably was terrible, many of these Norges only lasted a few years before people got tired of repairing them. I had a customer just a few months ago that still remembered her first AW [ A Norge ] that she bought because of CRs rating, and she said she still distrusts CRs to this day because the washer lasted such a short period of time.
John L.
Wow Paul, it looks like this washer saw little use, hopefully it will not give you too many problems.
The melted timer backs were a common problem on TLTs, Norge didn't really have a clutch so they would accelerate into spin quickly like a Frigidaire Unimatic. The problem was if something like the pump was stuck the motor stayed in the start winding too long and the timer was not over-built to withstand this.
As Bruce mentioned the pumps were diffidently a weak area, and your pump looks to be in almost new condition.
CRs gave Norge washers a best buy rating in the 50s for their good performance and lower price but the durably was terrible, many of these Norges only lasted a few years before people got tired of repairing them. I had a customer just a few months ago that still remembered her first AW [ A Norge ] that she bought because of CRs rating, and she said she still distrusts CRs to this day because the washer lasted such a short period of time.
John L.
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Oh yeah, that was how my folks ended up getting both the Norge set and the GE set. My father was a firm believer in what consumer reports said. LOL Norge was supposed to be head and shoulders over ALL others back then.
Some progress...
Just before heading down to Boston for the Great Big Story recording at Jon's, I found myself all alone in Ogden for a couple of days. So, like any naughty boy I decided to do something that would get me in trouble later - I moved the Norge washer from the garage into the basement.
I wanted to reinstall the pump and put on a new belt... then this happened...
Grumble....
Just before heading down to Boston for the Great Big Story recording at Jon's, I found myself all alone in Ogden for a couple of days. So, like any naughty boy I decided to do something that would get me in trouble later - I moved the Norge washer from the garage into the basement.
I wanted to reinstall the pump and put on a new belt... then this happened...
Grumble....
Yes, Mr. Know-It-All here struck again... I managed to strip the threads of one of the orignal nuts that were used to secure the pump to the sliding mechanism it lives on.
However, before I managed that feat, I did get the belt back on long enough to test the washer - I was thrilled to see the machine agitate and spin!! However, during those brief tests I very quickly realized that the belt was way too loose. The funny thing about the Norge washer is that belt tension is adjusted by moving the pump on the sliding mounting plate I mentioned above. I'm used to the GE and Whirlpool machines where moving the motor is how you slack or tighten the belt, I guess. Well anyway, for someone who can't open a jar of mayonnaise I managed to strip the danged bolt and then had to saw it off to remove it...
Further grumble...
However, before I managed that feat, I did get the belt back on long enough to test the washer - I was thrilled to see the machine agitate and spin!! However, during those brief tests I very quickly realized that the belt was way too loose. The funny thing about the Norge washer is that belt tension is adjusted by moving the pump on the sliding mounting plate I mentioned above. I'm used to the GE and Whirlpool machines where moving the motor is how you slack or tighten the belt, I guess. Well anyway, for someone who can't open a jar of mayonnaise I managed to strip the danged bolt and then had to saw it off to remove it...
Further grumble...
It had been a pretty hectic weekend and I didn't feel much like driving all the way up to Magog to try and find a replacement bolt (both hardware stores in Stanstead are actually closed on Sunday!). So, I figured this would be a good chance to inspect the water valve.
It was a good move... That valve was good and scaled up!
It was a good move... That valve was good and scaled up!
I also got to try out my new 'water valve reconditioning centre' in the basement. What a difference having an extra set of taps makes.
After a good soaking in CLR, the valve seems to be doing just fine now. Yay!
So with any luck, this coming weekend I'll be able to reinstall the pump and belt. I may just get around to a water test, too... Stay tuned!!
After a good soaking in CLR, the valve seems to be doing just fine now. Yay!
So with any luck, this coming weekend I'll be able to reinstall the pump and belt. I may just get around to a water test, too... Stay tuned!!
stricklybojack
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Stripping bolts, me thinks T-Dude doesn't know his own strength!
Stripping bolts, me thinks T-Dude doesn't know his own strength!
I must have been channeling Bullwinkle.... LOL
Don't give up the ghost...
You've got a beautiful machine there and we all know you can bring life back into it!! You've done such amazing work on other machines -- this one is worth the frustration! Thanks for keeping us posted.
You've got a beautiful machine there and we all know you can bring life back into it!! You've done such amazing work on other machines -- this one is worth the frustration! Thanks for keeping us posted.
ovrphil
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Paul-
Of course, I don't know about Norge Time-Lines. I had to search to see what one looked like and I found this thread:
http://automaticwasher.org/RESTORATIONS/Norge/1956 Norge Time Line.htm
whose baby is/was this? Your progress will be a sister/brother to the link above, I am guessing.
Looking forward to seeing you complete this one...
Phil
Of course, I don't know about Norge Time-Lines. I had to search to see what one looked like and I found this thread:
http://automaticwasher.org/RESTORATIONS/Norge/1956 Norge Time Line.htm
whose baby is/was this? Your progress will be a sister/brother to the link above, I am guessing.
Looking forward to seeing you complete this one...
Phil
Thanks, Todd! I have to admit that it was a huge relief to see the machine agitate and spin when I did the 'loose belt' test; I'm guessing that I have a solid transmission in this machine. If all goes according to plan this weekend, I hope to do some water testing.
Phil - that link is all about one of Robert's machines I think. It's been a frequent point of reference for me, trust me...
If I'd really been thinking, I would have remembered to pick up the sheared bolt when we left Ogden early Monday morning and I would have been able to find a replacement this week... Grumble...
Phil - that link is all about one of Robert's machines I think. It's been a frequent point of reference for me, trust me...
If I'd really been thinking, I would have remembered to pick up the sheared bolt when we left Ogden early Monday morning and I would have been able to find a replacement this week... Grumble...
Well, well
so good to see you now have a "water valve reconditioning centre" in place!
A necessary item in OUR game!
Unfortunately for me Phil was right about the speed queen center post, after two water tests the crack migrated to outside were we put the epoxy and so it is leaking water down the center post down onto my restored transmission! Back to the drawing board!
And the 1961 GE still has a few more weep holes I am chasing down!
Recalcitrant machines all !!!
so good to see you now have a "water valve reconditioning centre" in place!
A necessary item in OUR game!
Unfortunately for me Phil was right about the speed queen center post, after two water tests the crack migrated to outside were we put the epoxy and so it is leaking water down the center post down onto my restored transmission! Back to the drawing board!
And the 1961 GE still has a few more weep holes I am chasing down!
Recalcitrant machines all !!!
Geez, that's a shame, Jon. I think I'll try to get the Norge tub out for inspection of the inner tub and drive shaft this weekend.
A busy weekend spent with the Norge...
I admit it, I planned this past weekend around the Norge. I had a number of things to do still and I won't be getting back down to Ogden until the 12th of March again and I was determined to get them done.
First, I had to find alternate bolts for the pump slide-mount and get the drive belt on.
I had to run out to the local hardware store for some bolts and the first attempt to tension the belt wound up making it too tight to allow the motor to turn. OOOPS! It was easy enough to slacken this, fortunately.
I admit it, I planned this past weekend around the Norge. I had a number of things to do still and I won't be getting back down to Ogden until the 12th of March again and I was determined to get them done.
First, I had to find alternate bolts for the pump slide-mount and get the drive belt on.
I had to run out to the local hardware store for some bolts and the first attempt to tension the belt wound up making it too tight to allow the motor to turn. OOOPS! It was easy enough to slacken this, fortunately.
When I put the pump back on, I had noticed some cracking of the rubber around the end of the hose that connects the outer tub to the pump. I thought a bit of colourful silicone would help.
While the silicone set, I concentrated on giving 8 of 56 (I named the washer that based on its Borg lineage...LOL) a good wash and brush up.
Gotta love 'kitchen washers' - what looked like corrosion was just grime.
Gotta love 'kitchen washers' - what looked like corrosion was just grime.
So, I did a couple of dry tests successfully, but would it hold vater??
